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Schultze
Caldari
Nexus Incorporated
Posted - 2008.01.18 00:55:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Schultze on 18/01/2008 00:56:57

I have come to realize that one of the reasons people use Jita is because its damn cheep compared to rest of the minor trade wanna be hubs.

The reason is that manufactors hope to sell that module a little extra expensive, to make extra profit. Who can blame them?

However, we have now realized that taking our goods to Jita, simply to compete on that market, is double stupid. Since we then need to sell it at same low jita price.

Therefore we have started to sell our goods in Amarr for a price lower than the one found in Jita.

In the end, im hoping to see a more vibriant market, and where players never again can be sure that the best price is found in Jita.

I write this post because im interested in knowing if anyone have atempted to do what we are trying to do. Giving our buyers a reason to go Amarr.

Hasek
ALLIED TACTICAL TECHNOLOGIES
Wayfarer Stellar Initiative
Posted - 2008.01.18 00:59:00 - [2]
 

CRHM has just recently setup an Ammarian Division HQ in Sarum Prime and we hope to be on the market there shortly

Maraude Fury
It's A Trap
It's A Trap Alliance
Posted - 2008.01.18 01:12:00 - [3]
 

http://eve-central.com/home/market.html

According to this, a LOT of the items I buy are cheaper in other area's. usually the other major trade hubs.

This web site has saved my hundreds of mill on ships, and usually about 5 hrs a week in travel time.

Jita should NOT be people's automatic default for purchaseing/selling things.

Shogun Horowitz
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2008.01.18 01:16:00 - [4]
 

I buy stuff in Metropolis way cheaper than I see in Jita, then sell it in Citadel...

seems to me the Caldari pay the highest price for things...

I make millions a week just by buying things that manufacturers sell for the price of making it (which boggles my mind)(charity???), then sell it for double in Caldari space easily.


Shogun Horowitz
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2008.01.18 01:19:00 - [5]
 

Speaking of which... WHY DO manufacturers put items on the market for as cheap or cheaper than what it costs to make even with a production efficiency of 5?

Are they just stupid or lazy? I don't get it, but I will keep buying these certain items when I find them. It kind of screws up the market values in the regions where they do this tho, so I just take it to other regions.

Blaze Honeydew
Posted - 2008.01.18 02:04:00 - [6]
 

Jita is usually more expensive for anything that's not hugely popular. People go to Jita because you can get *everything* there.

Until Amarr has a similarly broad *range* of goods, it will never be as vibrant or popular. Unfortunately.

An Anarchyyt
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.01.18 02:08:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Shogun Horowitz
Speaking of which... WHY DO manufacturers put items on the market for as cheap or cheaper than what it costs to make even with a production efficiency of 5?


Stupid usually. Those are the people who then come to the forums and go "OMG U CAN'T MAKE MONEY MANUFACTURING/Inventing/Something Stupid!!!!111"

And then they go out of business, and the market readjusts itself.


Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
Posted - 2008.01.18 06:19:00 - [8]
 

Amarr is an incredibly inefficient market. This means for traders, there are tons of opportunities. I was buying standard small laser crystals yesterday and the price at the Amarr market station (Emperor Family) was in the tens of thousands. At another station one jump away they were 1500 ISK. Some trader with a noobship could carry a bunch of them one jump, put them on the market for 15,000, and probably make quite a few sales. The same goes for any of dozens of products that are vastly undersupplied to the market. Traders, come to Amarr!

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2008.01.18 06:32:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Shogun Horowitz
Speaking of which... WHY DO manufacturers put items on the market for as cheap or cheaper than what it costs to make even with a production efficiency of 5?

Are they just stupid or lazy? I don't get it, but I will keep buying these certain items when I find them. It kind of screws up the market values in the regions where they do this tho, so I just take it to other regions.


because they think the minerals they mine are free so they aren't losing any profit

of course that makes them idiots, but w/e

Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
Posted - 2008.01.18 06:47:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Ponderous Thunderstroke on 18/01/2008 06:47:12
Take your cheap goods and lug them out to Solitude, and make a tidy profit in Octanneve. Talk about margins...

Damneia Achernius
Drop of Blood
Posted - 2008.01.18 06:48:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Schultze
Edited by: Schultze on 18/01/2008 00:56:57

I have come to realize that one of the reasons people use Jita is because its damn cheep compared to rest of the minor trade wanna be hubs.




well... most of the t2 stuff i buy is alot cheaper elsewhere than in jita actually :P

thats why i allmost never go to jita (only go there to get faction stuff if its not possible to get in elsewhere)

Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari
State Protectorate
Posted - 2008.01.18 07:55:00 - [12]
 

Switched from Jita -> Amarr months ago.

I love this hub.

Garia666
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
Xenon-Empire
Posted - 2008.01.18 08:06:00 - [13]
 

I support all of you with buying your goods in amarr .. keep it up!

Triath Lon
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2008.01.18 08:10:00 - [14]
 


Why not make <.5 system into a trade hub. I'd really enjoy an ability to jump in our capitals shopping carts.

Arouu
Posted - 2008.01.18 09:13:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Triath Lon

Why not make <.5 system into a trade hub. I'd really enjoy an ability to jump in our capitals shopping carts.


That's stupid.

Trade hubs are player made, not ccp made.

And players will not make a lowsec system a hub.

Andrue
Amarr
Posted - 2008.01.18 09:29:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Amarr is an incredibly inefficient market. This means for traders, there are tons of opportunities. I was buying standard small laser crystals yesterday and the price at the Amarr market station (Emperor Family) was in the tens of thousands. At another station one jump away they were 1500 ISK. Some trader with a noobship could carry a bunch of them one jump, put them on the market for 15,000, and probably make quite a few sales. The same goes for any of dozens of products that are vastly undersupplied to the market. Traders, come to Amarr!
My award for crappest market goes to Kador. Going back a year or two when I was mission running there my corp members had to get used to me asking them for price checks because almost nothing I picked up was on the market. Even more bizarre was that when I put stuff on the market it sold quickly. When I left I assumed that with so many eager consumers the sellers would move in.

I happened to going back there earlier this week to grab some datacores and discovered that out of the five regions I'd crossed to get there Kador was the only one that didn't have any of the three types of datacore I was hauling on the market.

It must be something to do with the number of links into and/or the shape of Kador. I have noticed in the past that most places are a small number of jumps from other more well known markets.

Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
Posted - 2008.01.18 10:37:00 - [17]
 

To be honest I've never heard of Kador and didn't know it was a trade hub. If others are like me, that right there explains why it hasn't blossomed.

Mark Lucius
Final Agony
B A N E
Posted - 2008.01.18 10:45:00 - [18]
 

Kador isn't a trade hub, far from it. It's a backwater system that's easily bypassed through Amarr which is only like 4-5 jumps away.

Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2008.01.18 11:09:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Hardin on 18/01/2008 11:12:54

I heartily endorse this thread.

It is clear the Amarrian economy has turned a corner, providing the exchequer with gigantic tax revenues from which to expand our Navy and initiate the 'Reclaiming'.

I would also like to point out that Lower Domain (Misaba/Mamet/Ziriert) are increasingly busy while Providence (particularly the R3 side) increasingly offers significant profit making opportunities for entrepreneurs and manufacturers willing to take a few risks.

The CVA and our Holders have put significant efforts into developing the infrastructure of this region and unlike other areas of low-sec neutral traders are more than welcome to use our stations many of which are a mere couple of jumps from Empire. We are even able to offer travel alerts and pirate warnings via our comprehensive intellgience network.

Many pilots in this increasingly populated region do indeed fly to Amarr to reship/reequip simply due to the well stocked market there. I have no doubt that huge profits are to be made for anyone willing to provide a similar 'choice' in these low-sec areas.

Come to Providence - Today's choice for tomorrow's tycoons!




Bishman82
Racketeers
Posted - 2008.01.18 12:51:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Bishman82 on 18/01/2008 12:52:37
The reason you see things at build price or sometimes cheaper than build price is probably not because some manufacturing guy is selling his own stuff like that, it's because of resellers.

Say you have something that costs about 2m to build, somewhere like Jita might have people selling the item at 2.1m, not much profit but it's Jita so you get a quick sale. People then set up buy orders well below the current highest order in Jita because they know people are always hauling all their mission/pvp loot to get a quick sale, they don't care if they are getting rid of loot 300,000 under the true value because they get instant cash for it. After buying a load of stuff under market value in jita the resellers then put it back on the market and still make a profit selling a 2m item for 1.8m.

Hannobaal
Gallente
Punic Corp.
Posted - 2008.01.18 12:51:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Arouu

And players will not make a lowsec system a hub.


And if they did it would quickly fall apart as droves of pirates move in, unless some strong entity (like a major 0.0 alliance) would police it.

Frug
Omega Wing
Snatch Victory
Posted - 2008.01.18 13:21:00 - [22]
 

Jita is not just about price, it's about convenience.

Conrad Rock
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.01.18 14:20:00 - [23]
 

So you say you don't want to compete with the low prices in Jita, sell in Amarr and suggest it could be cheaper in Amarr.


Alz Shado
EverFlow
Posted - 2008.01.18 15:53:00 - [24]
 

So people are moving out of Jita? Is this why Rens has been so laggy lately?

MenanceWhite
Amarr
Emi Raaf's Corporation
Posted - 2008.01.18 15:56:00 - [25]
 

I see about 200+ in Amarr local, and about somewhere over 400 or so when I enter Jita local. So it's not actually that much apart.

Keep up with the good work Smile

Protrade
Gallente
Posted - 2008.01.18 16:01:00 - [26]
 

I sell in both Jita and Amarr, they are fairly close anyway. I get slightly bigger margins in Amarr, but only sell about 1/2 of the amount I do in Jita. Its a trade off and not really worth it for the mainstream traders. The systems in between suffer greatly since Jita is so close. People will pay an additional 200k for a module so they don't have to stop in Perimeter for it. But Amarr is a good distance away and they will.

Esmenet
Gallente
Posted - 2008.01.18 17:48:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Schultze
Edited by: Schultze on 18/01/2008 00:56:57

I have come to realize that one of the reasons people use Jita is because its damn cheep compared to rest of the minor trade wanna be hubs.



Its not really because its so cheap, but because it has pretty much everything available and there is a large volume of items traded. So for those manufacturers with large amount of items it has a much larger turnover. As a smallscale buyer/manufacturer it can in many(most?) cases be smarter to go somewhere else.

Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
Posted - 2008.01.18 18:07:00 - [28]
 

Jita is especially useful in that you can buy and fit a ship all within the comfort of the same station. In other places, you may have to go elsewhere to find your ship, and then go back to the minor hub to purchase some fittings, then spend another 10-15 jumps going from system to system trying to find the last few modules to fit.

I myself, though, would really like to see a neutral trade hub in 0.0. Too bad the EVE community is too aggressive to let that happen, though. Some 0.0 alliance would take it over just to for fun.


 

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