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Hauleralt0002
Posted - 2008.01.14 06:43:00 - [1]
 

For any real pvp you need a MWD-
Are smartbombs also becoming this?

The drone nerf makes the smart bomb very powerful now as you can actually destory drones Laughing

/discuss

Hannobaal
Gallente
Punic Corp.
Posted - 2008.01.14 06:56:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Hannobaal on 14/01/2008 06:56:49
Originally by: Hauleralt0002
For any real pvp you need a MWD-
Are smartbombs also becoming this?

The drone nerf makes the smart bomb very powerful now as you can actually destory drones Laughing

/discuss


Drones are very easy to destroy without smartbombs. Especially if you have a web.

Ask Unbeatable
Krazny Oktyabr Revolyutsiya
Posted - 2008.01.14 07:02:00 - [3]
 

I see a lot of people fitting smartbombs or neuts instead of nos on leftover highslot (ie tempest), but I personally haven't tried it. (No cpu left on gankmega and all slots has guns on domi/hyp.)

Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Gunship Diplomacy
Posted - 2008.01.14 07:25:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Hannobaal
Edited by: Hannobaal on 14/01/2008 06:56:49
Originally by: Hauleralt0002
For any real pvp you need a MWD-
Are smartbombs also becoming this?

The drone nerf makes the smart bomb very powerful now as you can actually destory drones Laughing

/discuss


Drones are very easy to destroy without smartbombs. Especially if you have a web.


No they are not. You try to pop ecm drones while you get perma jammed by them...
ecm drones need a serious nerf.

Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Gunship Diplomacy
Posted - 2008.01.14 07:26:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Hauleralt0002
For any real pvp you need a MWD-
Are smartbombs also becoming this?

The drone nerf makes the smart bomb very powerful now as you can actually destory drones Laughing

/discuss


Yes if youre solo or small gang SB is good against the horde of ecm drones youll be facing.

goodby4u
Valor Inc.
Valor Empire
Posted - 2008.01.14 07:47:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: goodby4u on 14/01/2008 07:47:32
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Hannobaal
Edited by: Hannobaal on 14/01/2008 06:56:49
Originally by: Hauleralt0002
For any real pvp you need a MWD-
Are smartbombs also becoming this?

The drone nerf makes the smart bomb very powerful now as you can actually destory drones Laughing

/discuss


Drones are very easy to destroy without smartbombs. Especially if you have a web.


No they are not. You try to pop ecm drones while you get perma jammed by them...
ecm drones need a serious nerf.
They have limited range,and take away a couple hundred dps to keep people jammed sometimes...THEY DONT NEED A NERF.-heavy vs heavy that is.

Virgil Aquilis
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.01.14 07:56:00 - [7]
 

That said, the assertion that a BS with a web is just as good as a BS with a smartbomb at killing drones is completely absurd. A smartbomb is a very good choice for an empty high slot. A neut is also nice.

Ararius
Earned In Blood
Posted - 2008.01.14 07:59:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Ararius on 14/01/2008 07:58:53
2008.01.12 09:29:00

Victim: xxxxxxx
Alliance: xxxxxxx
Corp: xxxxxxx
Destroyed: Maelstrom
System: Haajinen
Security: 0.8
Damage Taken: 35959

Involved parties:

Name: xxxxxxxx(laid the final blow)
Security: 5.0
Alliance: NONE
Corp: xxxxxxxxx
Ship: Ishtar
Weapon: Wasp II
Damage Done: 13362

Name: CONCORD Police Captain / CONCORD
Damage Done: 13017

Name: Caldari Sentry Gun II / Caldari Navy
Damage Done: 8039

Name: Ararius
Security: -1.5
Alliance: NONE
Corp: Earned In Blood
Ship: Hurricane
Weapon: Hurricane
Damage Done: 1541

Destroyed items:

Invulnerability Field II
X-Large Shield Booster II
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Qty: 3
Republic Fleet EMP L, Qty: 136
Photon Scattering Field II
Hammerhead II, Qty: 5 (Drone Bay)
Semiconductor Memory Cell I, Qty: 2
Vespa EC-600, Qty: 4 (Cargo)
Power Diagnostic System II, Qty: 2
Capacitor Control Circuit I
Hammerhead II, Qty: 4 (Cargo)
Fleeting Progressive Warp Scrambler I
LADAR Backup Array II
Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier
Republic Fleet EMP L, Qty: 4519 (Cargo)

Dropped items:

Invulnerability Field II
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Qty: 4
Republic Fleet EMP L, Qty: 102
Vespa EC-600 (Cargo)
Power Diagnostic System II
LADAR Backup Array II
Large Rudimentary Concussion Bomb I


Bolded the important part. . . .

And I wasn't at war with him

Hannobaal
Gallente
Punic Corp.
Posted - 2008.01.14 08:35:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Hannobaal
Edited by: Hannobaal on 14/01/2008 06:56:49
Originally by: Hauleralt0002
For any real pvp you need a MWD-
Are smartbombs also becoming this?

The drone nerf makes the smart bomb very powerful now as you can actually destory drones Laughing

/discuss


Drones are very easy to destroy without smartbombs. Especially if you have a web.


No they are not. You try to pop ecm drones while you get perma jammed by them...
ecm drones need a serious nerf.


A lot of people say that, but I've tried using ecm drones and they never do anything.

Hannobaal
Gallente
Punic Corp.
Posted - 2008.01.14 08:38:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Virgil Aquilis
That said, the assertion that a BS with a web is just as good as a BS with a smartbomb at killing drones is completely absurd. A smartbomb is a very good choice for an empty high slot. A neut is also nice.


I agree for battleships, simply because they lock slowly and their smartbombs do a lot of damage. But with anything smaller I can lock the whole bunch and massacre them in no time.

Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2008.01.14 09:51:00 - [11]
 

ECM drones doesn't work properly... The user cannot identify a lock break like you can with a ECM module, but have to rely on seing the yellow brackets.
Apart from that ECM drones is a big gamle... They are not all and everything. But certainly annoyingly dangerous.

Pinky

Hannobaal
Gallente
Punic Corp.
Posted - 2008.01.14 10:20:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Pinky Denmark
ECM drones doesn't work properly... The user cannot identify a lock break like you can with a ECM module, but have to rely on seing the yellow brackets.


I know that, but every time I use them, they never jam. The ship I use them on keeps me locked and keeps firing through the whole thing (never used heavy ECM drones though, only lights and mediums).

Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2008.01.14 10:27:00 - [13]
 

Don't worry - It's the same for me :)
But they always seem to work well for my oponents from time to time

Xequecal
Posted - 2008.01.14 10:30:00 - [14]
 

I still want to know if you can "speed up" ECM drone jam cycles by constantly scooping and redeploying them. It would seem really strong if you load ECM drones into a close-range gank ship like the Thorax and then get 5-sec jam cycles instead of 20-sec by just scooping and redeploying constantly.

Gamesguy
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2008.01.14 10:30:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Hannobaal
Originally by: Pinky Denmark
ECM drones doesn't work properly... The user cannot identify a lock break like you can with a ECM module, but have to rely on seing the yellow brackets.


I know that, but every time I use them, they never jam. The ship I use them on keeps me locked and keeps firing through the whole thing (never used heavy ECM drones though, only lights and mediums).


Mediums are the most "cost effective" if you consider cost effectiveness in terms of m3 of drone space.

Heavy ECM drones are pretty balanced, mediums and lights are overpowered.

As for you, sometimes its just bad luck.

Gamesguy
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2008.01.14 10:30:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Xequecal
I still want to know if you can "speed up" ECM drone jam cycles by constantly scooping and redeploying them. It would seem really strong if you load ECM drones into a close-range gank ship like the Thorax and then get 5-sec jam cycles instead of 20-sec by just scooping and redeploying constantly.


Yes, its borderline exploiting though.

Xequecal
Posted - 2008.01.14 10:36:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Gamesguy
Originally by: Xequecal
I still want to know if you can "speed up" ECM drone jam cycles by constantly scooping and redeploying them. It would seem really strong if you load ECM drones into a close-range gank ship like the Thorax and then get 5-sec jam cycles instead of 20-sec by just scooping and redeploying constantly.


Yes, its borderline exploiting though.


Hrm, interesting......that might mean the Pilgrim is actually useable. Fit some RSDs with sensor strength scrips, decloak at 3km, scoop/redeploy ECM drones to get them jammed, then go to town with DPS drones. Repeat the process two minutes later when they finally get you locked.

Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Gunship Diplomacy
Posted - 2008.01.14 13:55:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 14/01/2008 13:56:04
Originally by: Xequecal
Originally by: Gamesguy
Originally by: Xequecal
I still want to know if you can "speed up" ECM drone jam cycles by constantly scooping and redeploying them. It would seem really strong if you load ECM drones into a close-range gank ship like the Thorax and then get 5-sec jam cycles instead of 20-sec by just scooping and redeploying constantly.


Yes, its borderline exploiting though.


Hrm, interesting......that might mean the Pilgrim is actually useable. Fit some RSDs with sensor strength scrips, decloak at 3km, scoop/redeploy ECM drones to get them jammed, then go to town with DPS drones. Repeat the process two minutes later when they finally get you locked.


Good idea tbh, but as soon as an exploit is use for the amarr race ccp will be fast in nerfing it. Other exploits they sure arent in a hurry to fix.Rolling Eyes

Stakhanov
Metafarmers
MeatSausage EXPRESS
Posted - 2008.01.14 14:07:00 - [19]
 

Large smartbombs are great to kill pods , but you need at least 2. Can work on a tempest , not so much on a mega.

As long as you can kill drones with torps , they're fairly redundant in combat. The fact that most drone boats use nos/neuts removes their best use. Maybe useful against a T1 frigate gang.

Dianeces
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.01.14 14:50:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 14/01/2008 13:56:04
Originally by: Xequecal
Originally by: Gamesguy
Originally by: Xequecal
I still want to know if you can "speed up" ECM drone jam cycles by constantly scooping and redeploying them. It would seem really strong if you load ECM drones into a close-range gank ship like the Thorax and then get 5-sec jam cycles instead of 20-sec by just scooping and redeploying constantly.


Yes, its borderline exploiting though.


Hrm, interesting......that might mean the Pilgrim is actually useable. Fit some RSDs with sensor strength scrips, decloak at 3km, scoop/redeploy ECM drones to get them jammed, then go to town with DPS drones. Repeat the process two minutes later when they finally get you locked.


Good idea tbh, but as soon as an exploit is use for the amarr race ccp will be fast in nerfing it. Other exploits they sure arent in a hurry to fix.Rolling Eyes


Yep, you are absolutely right. There's an epic CCP conspiracy to nerf Amarr to such uselessness nobody will play them anymore. In fact, they're planning on just deleting all Amarrian characters because they are so absolutely useless. Just thought I'd give you a heads up so you can create an alt for one of the three surviving races.

Hannobaal
Gallente
Punic Corp.
Posted - 2008.01.14 15:19:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Stakhanov
Maybe useful against a T1 frigate gang.


If a gang of frigates are stupid enough to get in smartbombing range on a battleship without knowing for a fact that it doesn't have any, they so deserve to die. Smile


 

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