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Zybreed
Posted - 2008.01.05 19:07:00 - [1]
 

If i were to jettison my lockable cargo container can any one just come by and grab it if I don't anchoring it down?

Thanks,
Nathan

Kessiaan
Minmatar
Vagrants Inc
Posted - 2008.01.05 19:10:00 - [2]
 

If you don't anchor your can anyone can scoop it.

Thunderguts
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2008.01.05 21:56:00 - [3]
 

Even if you do anchor it, anyone can shoot and destroy it. I heard that there is such a thing as hacking in this game... it might actually be a useful skill if thieves were allowed to use it to hack GSC's, but they aren't and it isn't.

Ursula LeGuinn
Posted - 2008.01.05 22:20:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Thunderguts
Even if you do anchor it, anyone can shoot and destroy it.


It takes a fleet of battleships fifteen minutes to destroy an anchored GSC, so that's not really an issue.

F'nog
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2008.01.06 00:10:00 - [5]
 

And hacking doesn't apply to secure containers.

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.01.06 00:12:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Zybreed
If i were to jettison my lockable cargo container can any one just come by and grab it if I don't anchoring it down?

Thanks,
Nathan


My funniest moments in Eve were with people doing that... get in indy... goes to can... Yoink! Laughing

Ursula LeGuinn
Posted - 2008.01.06 00:18:00 - [7]
 

Serious question that's sort of related to this thread:

I know that secure containers in a cargo hold can't protect someone's cargo from being stolen/looted. But can they conceal the cargo? Or do cargo scanners allow you to look inside the containers?

Admiral Pelleon
White Shadow Imperium
Posted - 2008.01.06 00:22:00 - [8]
 

You can see through them.

Ursula LeGuinn
Posted - 2008.01.06 00:22:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
You can see through them.


BAWWWWWWWWW!!!

Nerf pirates! >:(

Kredan Rasok
Posted - 2008.01.06 02:44:00 - [10]
 

of course if your going to mine into a GSC please take it back to the station with you when you have finished your mining. the number of such abandoned cans in belts is astronomical and quite annoying to many people.

Kaomi Zorbaz
Posted - 2008.01.06 02:54:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Kaomi Zorbaz on 06/01/2008 02:58:33
Originally by: Kredan Rasok
of course if your going to mine into a GSC please take it back to the station with you when you have finished your mining. the number of such abandoned cans in belts is astronomical and quite annoying to many people.


QFT I was trying to anchor my can today and couldnt get within 20 kn of the asteroids thanks to all the littered cans in every belt I visited.

Which brings up a different question, do those cans every get destroyed or are they there forever?

Thenoran
Caldari
Tranquility Industries
Posted - 2008.01.06 02:59:00 - [12]
 

The entire GSC problem could be fixed in the cans were to implode after a certain period of inactivity, say a week.
For ammo cans you could say that a minimum amount of ammo would have to be inside them and that the minimum activity time would be much longer before they implode.
Accessing the cans would reset the timer.

Kredan Rasok
Posted - 2008.01.06 03:24:00 - [13]
 

the other issue with GSC's for mining is they just dont hold enough..

3200m3 or what ever it is simply isnt suitable especially if one is mining ice.

Draconyx
Posted - 2008.01.06 05:40:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Kredan Rasok
the other issue with GSC's for mining is they just dont hold enough..

3200m3 or what ever it is simply isnt suitable especially if one is mining ice.


False

It is very easy to use a secure container to lock down ice as you mine it.
The only requirement is you have a friend in a hauler sit by you and pull from the can as you put the ice in.
Simple and effective.
As a matter of fact Ice mining is actually when it is the most convienent to use a secure containers as you are not constantly shifting locations in the belt or from belt to belt, which is what happens with ore mining.

If you are solo mining then yes it is not practical but then again there are very few things in EVE that is practical to do alone.




Trotski II
Rasta Tropical Club
Posted - 2008.01.06 05:46:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Draconyx
Originally by: Kredan Rasok
the other issue with GSC's for mining is they just dont hold enough..

3200m3 or what ever it is simply isnt suitable especially if one is mining ice.


False

It is very easy to use a secure container to lock down ice as you mine it.
The only requirement is you have a friend in a hauler sit by you and pull from the can as you put the ice in.
Simple and effective.




If you have a friend in a hauler sitting by why would you need a GSC? Just jettison and he takes it. Their usefulness is to have a few in a belt and return after in a hauler.

Ashen Angel
Minmatar
Scarey Contractors
Posted - 2008.01.06 06:03:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Trotski II
Originally by: Draconyx
Originally by: Kredan Rasok
the other issue with GSC's for mining is they just dont hold enough..

3200m3 or what ever it is simply isnt suitable especially if one is mining ice.


False

It is very easy to use a secure container to lock down ice as you mine it.
The only requirement is you have a friend in a hauler sit by you and pull from the can as you put the ice in.
Simple and effective.




If you have a friend in a hauler sitting by why would you need a GSC? Just jettison and he takes it. Their usefulness is to have a few in a belt and return after in a hauler.


better to use the secure can to avoid having thieves and those that know certain aggression tricks from being a problem

Ursula LeGuinn
Posted - 2008.01.06 07:30:00 - [17]
 

Okay then, another question:

Can scanners see into those cardboard box courier packages in someone's cargo bay?

Venko Trenulo
Spelunkers
Posted - 2008.01.06 07:44:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn
Okay then, another question:

Can scanners see into those cardboard box courier packages in someone's cargo bay?

Again, yes. Good try, though!

Ursula LeGuinn
Posted - 2008.01.06 08:18:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Venko Trenulo
Again, yes. Good try, though!


BAWWWWWWWWW!!! Crying or Very sad

Makes sense, though. If they introduced even one method of concealing/protecting cargo from pirates in transit, everyone would do it all the time, making piracy even harder.

Agor Dirdonen
Posted - 2008.01.06 10:01:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Agor Dirdonen on 06/01/2008 10:02:02
There is a way to conceal your cargo from cargo scanners, has to do something with courier contracts.

It's tricky and requires help from an alt or a second character.

Oh, and not every pirate scans before he fires. Some fire before they check....

Ursula LeGuinn
Posted - 2008.01.06 10:17:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Ursula LeGuinn on 06/01/2008 10:18:18
Originally by: Agor Dirdonen
Oh, and not every pirate scans before he fires. Some fire before they check....


Thanks for the tip.

In high-sec, pirates will almost certainly scan before they fire. If a hauler or shuttle isn't carrying anything of value, getting CONCORDOKKENED is a pointless waste of time and money. In low-sec and especially 0.0, of course, shooting first and asking questions later is far more likely.

If it's possible to conceal your valuable items somehow, then you have an extra layer of security from high-sec suicide gankers. At the vary least, it would take them longer to decide whether you're worth a gank or not, because they'd have to take a gamble on your mystery cargo.


 

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