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Bellator Militaris
Caldari
Freelancers Coalition
Joined Brotherhood
Posted - 2007.12.29 11:19:00 - [1]
 

I have gotten this ship and would like to do lvl 4 missions, solo. Can you give me some pointers on a passive tank? About 80% of my Gunnery and Eng skills are at lvl 4 or better. Yes, and I already know the Raven is the best ship for lvl 4 missions. But I went the way of Amarr. Thanks to all. Bellator Very Happy

Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
DarkSide.
Posted - 2007.12.29 11:28:00 - [2]
 

Passive tank means no repping? Nice...

Give me a shout if you invent something decent. Laughing

Zaqar
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2007.12.29 11:29:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Bellator Militaris
passive tank

hm, not sure what you mean by this. Passive armour tank = plates but no repairer - certainly not advisable for missioning unless you have a logistics ship to support you.

goodby4u
Valor Inc.
Valor Empire
Posted - 2007.12.29 11:37:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: goodby4u on 29/12/2007 11:41:31
highs:6x med beam 1x nos.
mids:1x large shield ext 1x em hardener 1x invul.
lows:7x shield power relays.
2x shield purgers.

tankable405 dpsLaughing

And if you can obtain t2 SPRs and t2 rigs it will tank...
659 dps or 725 with gang skills maxed

Bellator Militaris
Caldari
Freelancers Coalition
Joined Brotherhood
Posted - 2007.12.29 11:37:00 - [5]
 

No just resists, it will have a repper.

RandomNewbieHelper
Posted - 2007.12.29 11:38:00 - [6]
 

I run lvl4 missions for the Amarr Navy (mostly Sansha and Bloods missions) in this setup.

High:
6x Heavy Beam Laser
1x Heavy Missile Launcher

Med:
1x Fleeting web
2x Cap Recharger

Low:
1x MAR
1x Thermic Hardener
1x EM Hardener
2x EANM
1x CPR
1x Heat Sink

Rigs:
2x Aux Nano Pump

Drones:
5x Hobgoblin

Bellator Militaris
Caldari
Freelancers Coalition
Joined Brotherhood
Posted - 2007.12.29 11:45:00 - [7]
 

Great setup thanks Newbie for the help. Very Happy

Riho
Gallente
Drop of Blood
Posted - 2007.12.29 12:04:00 - [8]
 

i prefer 6 beams + 3 hs :)

4 slot tank is enough

repper, ean, 2x hardeners

Kerdrak
GreenSwarm
Black Legion.
Posted - 2007.12.29 14:35:00 - [9]
 

As I understand, armor passive tank is either buffer tank (pvp) or repper 24/7 not wasting your cap (pve).

Malagar
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2007.12.29 15:25:00 - [10]
 

currently i use an abbadon for missions, but i can use the absolution would i be better off with that? would it be quicker at completing missions than my abbadon?

Acoco Osiris
Gallente
Posted - 2007.12.29 15:47:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Malagar
currently i use an abbadon for missions, but i can use the absolution would i be better off with that? would it be quicker at completing missions than my abbadon?

Probably not. Absolution is just a lot sexier.

As to a passive armor tank, that would just be plain buffer-plates plus resists. The instant you add a repper, it's active. The term to describe 24/7 active armor tanks is "perma-run".

BAteh
Penumbra Congregatio
Posted - 2007.12.29 23:20:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Acoco Osiris
Originally by: Malagar
currently i use an abbadon for missions, but i can use the absolution would i be better off with that? would it be quicker at completing missions than my abbadon?

Probably not. Absolution is just a lot sexier.

As to a passive armor tank, that would just be plain buffer-plates plus resists. The instant you add a repper, it's active. The term to describe 24/7 active armor tanks is "perma-run".


"probably"... are you guessing? you guessed wrong.
An active tanked Absol (with resists up to 90/92) can breeze through lvl4's if you fit a T2 AB for maneuverability and use beams to hold optimal distance.

Verton
Posted - 2007.12.30 20:24:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: BAteh

"probably"... are you guessing? you guessed wrong.
An active tanked Absol (with resists up to 90/92) can breeze through lvl4's if you fit a T2 AB for maneuverability and use beams to hold optimal distance.



Just asking because I'm no expert on this...

1) Does the Absolution do more DPS than the Abaddon?

2) Does the Absolution tank better than the Abaddon?

Thx,
/*Verton*/

Kurenub
Amarr
Going Limp
Posted - 2007.12.30 20:35:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: RandomNewbieHelper
I run lvl4 missions for the Amarr Navy (mostly Sansha and Bloods missions) in this setup.

High:
6x Heavy Beam Laser
1x Heavy Missile Launcher

Med:
1x Fleeting web
2x Cap Recharger

Low:
1x MAR
1x Thermic Hardener
1x EM Hardener
2x EANM
1x CPR
1x Heat Sink

Rigs:
2x Aux Nano Pump

Drones:
5x Hobgoblin


If I was one of your parents I would be ashamed of that complete afterbirth of a setup.

7shining7one7
Posted - 2007.12.30 20:38:00 - [15]
 

Yeah you'll enjoy lvl 4's in the abso, the resists on absolution and damnation make for some of the best tankage in game, especially when faction fit.

the drawbacks are less damage.

allthough t2 + bs V is better for lvl 4's, but if you are command ship specced then you can breeze through it in the abso, albeit a bit slower.

Verton
Posted - 2007.12.30 20:49:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: 7shining7one7

allthough t2 + bs V is better for lvl 4's, but if you are command ship specced then you can breeze through it in the abso, albeit a bit slower.


Actually I have an Absolution right now, but I was considering getting an Abaddon. TBH, I'm looking for the most DPS in a Level 4 mission running ship, because I'm not going to have to much time for Eve in the near future (triplets on the way! Eve gets pwnt!).

Or should I just skip the Abaddon and got the "Easy-button", Raven?

/*Verton*/

7shining7one7
Posted - 2007.12.30 21:02:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 30/12/2007 21:09:55
Originally by: Verton
Originally by: 7shining7one7

allthough t2 + bs V is better for lvl 4's, but if you are command ship specced then you can breeze through it in the abso, albeit a bit slower.


Actually I have an Absolution right now, but I was considering getting an Abaddon. TBH, I'm looking for the most DPS in a Level 4 mission running ship, because I'm not going to have to much time for Eve in the near future (triplets on the way! Eve gets pwnt!).

Or should I just skip the Abaddon and got the "Easy-button", Raven?

/*Verton*/


first of all congrats m8, genuinely real happy for you and the misses, new life is a wonderful thing Cool

nah if you got abso allready just do it with that, i was just pointing out that an abaddon with damage rigs and t2 mega beams will pop those bs's very fast, bs's tend to be superior in lvl 4's if you want to blitz them, since you'll reduce the dps fast and not need to tank that much.

so, go with the abso, it'll be quite fine, if your not far off in skilling for a bs V full t2 abaddon, then go for it, otherwise, don't bother.

besides, eventhough it might be a bit slower, you'll just sit and shoot at them till they're dead, not having a care in the world because there's hardly anything in lvl 4 even with full group aggro that can bring that tank down if you got your skills set right which i suspect you do.

happy new year ugh

Verton
Posted - 2007.12.30 21:12:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Verton on 30/12/2007 21:13:26
Thanks. I'm going to miss my hours of Eve every week.

I've been reading about the Raven and its "uber" mission running abilities and thinking about using a Raven for L4's instead of the Abaddon.

My main goal is being able to do the L4 missions quickly.

/*Verton*/

7shining7one7
Posted - 2007.12.30 21:14:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 30/12/2007 21:15:31
Originally by: Verton

Thanks. I'm going to miss my hours of Eve every week.

I've been reading about the Raven and its "uber" mission running abilities and thinking about using a Raven for L4's instead of the Abaddon.

/*Verton*/


I would really suggest another char for that instead of wrecking your excellent amarr char progress with cross skilling for raven. you'll basically start from scratch with shield tanking and missiles training cruise and torps etc. bad idea.. better to max out the abaddon if you do want to spec bs V t2 for lvl 4's.

Verton
Posted - 2007.12.30 21:25:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: 7shining7one7

I would really suggest another char for that instead of wrecking your excellent amarr char progress with cross skilling for raven. you'll basically start from scratch with shield tanking and missiles training cruise and torps etc. bad idea.. better to max out the abaddon if you do want to spec bs V t2 for lvl 4's.


Interestingly enough... I have 3 mil SP's in missiles and almost that in Engineering (shields), so it's not really that big a step for me. I already do level 4's in a Drake... it's just painfully slow. hehe

/*Verton*/

EvilPhog
Dark-Rising
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.30 21:25:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Kurenub
If I was one of your parents I would be ashamed of that complete afterbirth of a setup.


We're awaiting our enlightenment.

Helen
White Noise.
Posted - 2007.12.30 22:04:00 - [22]
 

Get Abaddon for cheap gank and tank on Amarr missions.

DO NOT GET Raven, if you got good Amarr skills stick with Amarr. You can tank fine in an Abaddon and do more dps than a crappy Raven.
Seriously Abaddon > Raven.



Gadawan
Posted - 2007.12.30 23:10:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Helen
Get Abaddon for cheap gank and tank on Amarr missions.

DO NOT GET Raven, if you got good Amarr skills stick with Amarr. You can tank fine in an Abaddon and do more dps than a crappy Raven.
Seriously Abaddon > Raven.





Just make sure your agent gives you missions vs enemies that can be killed with EM/therm and Abaddon is great for lvl 4's. I mostly just refuse the ocasional Guristas/Angel mission from my agent.

Verton
Posted - 2007.12.30 23:48:00 - [24]
 


I'm actually an old timer... just looking for something new. :) I've avoided the Raven an Drake because all I ever did was PvP in 0.0. Now that I've had to retire from 0.0 I'm giving missions a try.

I just installed EFT, so now I'm comparing the DPS and "tankability" of several ships. I have two accounts, and I usually bring the Absolution and the Raven (alt char) in simultaneously, but I'll soon be down to one account at a time.

/*Verton*/

Helen
White Noise.
Posted - 2007.12.31 00:03:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Gadawan
Originally by: Helen
Get Abaddon for cheap gank and tank on Amarr missions.

DO NOT GET Raven, if you got good Amarr skills stick with Amarr. You can tank fine in an Abaddon and do more dps than a crappy Raven.
Seriously Abaddon > Raven.





Just make sure your agent gives you missions vs enemies that can be killed with EM/therm and Abaddon is great for lvl 4's. I mostly just refuse the ocasional Guristas/Angel mission from my agent.


Thats what I said. Here let me bold it for you.

Originally by: Helen
Get Abaddon for cheap gank and tank on Amarr missions.


Riho
Gallente
Drop of Blood
Posted - 2007.12.31 00:35:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Kurenub
Originally by: RandomNewbieHelper
I run lvl4 missions for the Amarr Navy (mostly Sansha and Bloods missions) in this setup.

High:
6x Heavy Beam Laser
1x Heavy Missile Launcher

Med:
1x Fleeting web
2x Cap Recharger

Low:
1x MAR
1x Thermic Hardener
1x EM Hardener
2x EANM
1x CPR
1x Heat Sink

Rigs:
2x Aux Nano Pump

Drones:
5x Hobgoblin


If I was one of your parents I would be ashamed of that complete afterbirth of a setup.


its not a bad fit... just way too much tank and too few dmg mods :P

Vixeon
Die Dunkle Seite Der Macht
Posted - 2007.12.31 03:05:00 - [27]
 

Abso

6 Heavy Beams, 1 Drone link thing

AB, 2 Cap Recharger

MAR
3-4 Passive Corpums
2-3 TS Heat sink

Abaddon

8 Mega Pulse

2-3 Cap Rechargers
1-2 Tracking comps

LAR
2-3 Hardners
2-3 Heatsinks
Sometimes and Eanm or DCU
3 x ccc
Abaddon does more DPS but doesnt hit frigs or cruisers so well, its better for BS heavy missions. Abso rocks for everything else and tanks way better.

Verton
Posted - 2007.12.31 04:46:00 - [28]
 


What rigs did you put on the Absolution and the Abaddon? I currently have a CCC and an ANP on my Absolution.

The only mod I made to the above setup is that I have a Tracking Computer in a mid slot with a script loaded. (Possibly not needed?) Most of my gunnery skills related to hitting targets are at level 5. In the lows, I had Cap Recharger II's installed instead of Heat Sinks... but I have corrected that. Cool

/*Verton*/

Vixeon
Die Dunkle Seite Der Macht
Posted - 2007.12.31 06:25:00 - [29]
 

I use a damage rig and a CCC on the Abso and 3 x CCC on the Abaddon

Aux pump and a CCC would also work on the Abso if you want more tank, Abaddon HAS to have 3 x CCC imo.



Audemed
Nex Exercitus
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.31 08:10:00 - [30]
 

TBH i've compared abso and abba setups....and the abba just wins every time...at everything. Sure, the abso might hit the smaller targets easier, but unless you have T2 med beams and want to use aurora, the abso just can't even get close to competing to a mega beam abaddon. Even at point blank range, the abaddon does more damage than the abso...AND tanks better...


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