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Latinum Smith
Posted - 2004.03.17 00:28:00 - [1]
 

A long time ago when ore theieves were on every corner and the biggest secure can was large, there was not the problem of corp belt stripping in high sec space.

What happened was the 1's who hated ore theives either went to 0.4 or below space so they could kill them, or find a hidden/remote location, or take the risk and put up with it.

I think it is a stroke of GENIUS, that CCP have made secure cans un-anchorable in 0.8 space or higher. This means that corps will either now put up with the new breed of ore theives that will come or move to 0.7 space or lower. Just like they did with 0.4 space in the old days.

The new corps tend not to mine in such large quantities that make it worth while for an ore theif, but those bs miners would make a tempting target.

I personally hate ore theives, 'lasy people'. But I also dis-like the big corps strip mining belts, especially the beginner locations.

In a way the new breed of ore theives that come, will police the high sec space ways and push those big profit making corps into lower sec space.

As a seperate issue, if the best minig drone didn't cost so much, then perhaps the corps would risk losing their drones in lower space. The new decision by CCP has been forced because people still strip mine those noob belts.

Have a nice day

Tribunal
FIRMA
Posted - 2004.03.17 01:03:00 - [2]
 

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I personally hate ore theives, 'lasy people'.


A little off topic, per say...

Placing ore in an unsecure can is also "lazy". It does not matter if the ability to anchor cans in these regions was removed. If you, as a miner, are not willing to load up to full cargo and then go drop it off in a station then you should have every single bit of ore you mine stolen.

Mitchello
B O R G
Posted - 2004.03.17 01:11:00 - [3]
 

the trick is simply to keep up on the hauling.

big corps don't have to worry about ore thieves, have one kestrel (fun and cheep) take them out with cruise missles and indies keeping up on it so little to no ore is in the field. I use two chartacers and am imune to ore thieves beucase no ore is in space for long when I'm on my own and corp opps are even more effiecient.

ore thieving only hurts small inexperienced corps and lone miners who can't haul and mine fast. I don't know why CCP lets those people get taken advantage of...I mean what can one little ore thief do to a big corp that pays attention, even if they take a full indy load it isn't anything worth note.

But then I supose CCP made it clear that they wouldn't protect the lower level players so I guess it is the way the cookie crumbles, oh well.

Dekar
Posted - 2004.03.17 01:11:00 - [4]
 

Moreover, ore thieves don't really exist. Taking out stuff from jettisoned cans isn't stealing at all.

Latinum Smith
Posted - 2004.03.17 01:57:00 - [5]
 

Well it was just a thought, but never mind, perhaps we should just tell all new players to get stuffed. My point was, to me its a step in the right direction, but oh hum. Whatever.

Have a nice day

Achec
Posted - 2004.03.17 02:09:00 - [6]
 

Quote:
Quote:
I personally hate ore theives, 'lasy people'.


A little off topic, per say...

Placing ore in an unsecure can is also "lazy". It does not matter if the ability to anchor cans in these regions was removed. If you, as a miner, are not willing to load up to full cargo and then go drop it off in a station then you should have every single bit of ore you mine stolen.


ShockedLazy? err actually thats efficient, going back and forth with a battleship instead of a hauler sorta defeats the purpose of the hauler in the first place.. please think before writting... and just so you know, i dont even like people who strip mine belts either.

And how is
Quote:
I personally hate ore theives, 'lasy people'.
Off topic? The post IS about ore thieves and obviously his opionins about them.

p.s. lazy people are the ones on welfare who don't need it, but just can't be bothered to do real work, not the ones who are effiecent with their time and effort.Rolling Eyes

p.p.s. I know its the middle of the month and the welfare check's have already been spent on the VLT's (video lottery terminals), so maybe thats why I'm reading nonsensical arguments.

Tribunal
FIRMA
Posted - 2004.03.17 03:36:00 - [7]
 

Pardon me, Mr Angry, but I was not saying his comment was semi off topic. My off topic comment was a warning that the text following (my text) would be going along a different path then where I percieved the author's work was headed or what he wished to focus on.

Quote:
p.p.s. I know its the middle of the month and the welfare check's have already been spent on the VLT's (video lottery terminals), so maybe thats why I'm reading nonsensical arguments.


The only "nonsensical" statement I have seen so far is this rubbish quoted. Please explain to me the correlation between spending money on "VTLs" and "nonsensical" arguments.

Etoile Chercheur
Gallente
Phoenix Propulsion Labs
Firmus Ixion
Posted - 2004.03.17 04:18:00 - [8]
 

Quote:
Moreover, ore thieves don''t really exist. Taking out stuff from jettisoned cans isn''t stealing at all.


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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2004.03.17 07:55:00 - [9]
 

Thank God, Mr. Etoile. A man with some sense. That eve-i post should be stickied here for all to see.

Can thieves need to realize that, YES, what they do is called stealing. There's no rationalizing their way out of it.
Miners need to realize that can thievery is a completely valid part of this game. Same as piracy, same as any other shady career.



Serge Tahlon
Gallente
eXceed Inc.
Minor Threat.
Posted - 2004.03.17 08:23:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Serge Tahlon on 17/03/2004 08:29:08
Edited by: Serge Tahlon on 17/03/2004 08:25:21
it is really great. i am new to this game and how does the new secure can regulation help me ?

my ore was stolen in high sec (0.8) and after enquiring what i can do about it i was told to use secure cans. great so now i have wasted a pile of cash on secure cans and cant even use them in high sec systems .. hm. so what are my options ? i have to go into lower sec space and rish my hauler/miner against more and higher risk npc rats...
yea, that is well thought out.
infact .. wait a second. i have a hauler and as this seems to be a practise that is encouraged, i should go thieving, no?

hell, on eve-online.com they even glorify ore thieving in a dedicated short story. all the while I HAVE NO OPTION TO DEFEND MYSELF.

as to all those who say a jet can is waste... compare it to a rubbish can... public property... yada yada. as i see it, i am the one creating the can, it gets stamped with my corp label (which everyone acctually has to join in order to make some money at all), i am the one sitting smack on top of the can and yet i have no right to it ? a rather bizarre concept... shouldnt i be able to jettison some ammonition into the direction of an ore thief and not be attacked by concord as the ammonition is outside my ship , hence i have given up all rights to it ?

it is just frustrating that as a miner in this game, you get trampled upon by pc rats, ore thieves and ccp, as a trader you can make no money and as an agent runner you work and work and work without ever progressing. not many options for someone who doesnt want to be a criminal.

regards

a frustrated newbie

Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2004.03.17 09:10:00 - [11]
 

How hard can the NPC rats in 0.5 to 0.7 be?
I know my indy with one small laser turret can handle most spawn groups in a 0.5

Myko
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2004.03.17 09:12:00 - [12]
 

actually, there is another option: you can get a ship like a probe that can take two miners and has a good cargo hold, and make mining trips back and forth between the station and the roid belt. I get fed up with people moaning about this issue as its far easier to make money as a n00b now than it's ever been, and corporations are eager to recruit. Ore thievery is the only risk in high sec can mining, and should stay.

Thorion Mortisfilius
Order of the Lilithian Knights
Posted - 2004.03.17 09:37:00 - [13]
 

I am a little over a month old now and just had my first run-in with an ore thief. She was an excellent pilot in a rifter who had the audacity to steal out of my jet' can while I was still in the field. she also looted the hulks of NPC pirate kills I had. Oh yeah, I was in 0.6 space. I knew with the use of jettison cans this was a risk I was taking. But I also target locked her and released 2 hammerheads and 2 warrior Is on her. Of course she vacated the area before my trusty drones could reach her.

I sent her an in-character eve-mail threatening to shoot her on-sight and, since no reply was forthcoming, the next day I sent her another ooc eve-mail saying that I hope she realized that the previous e-mail was just a roleplaying response and in no way does she have a psychotic miner gunning for her. She quickly replied to this one and returned my money, which I tried to get her to keep. Why? Because it is part of the game! The 65 units of omber (approx worth of 2165 isks) was in no way a dent to the 1.5 million isks I hauled in that mining round. And that was also solo mining.

Secondly, I knew the risks of using jet cans.

Third, I let her know that I will retaliate to theft of my property no matter what the Concord policy is. But I am not going to get so worked up over it that I ruin my gameplay or the other persons.

And last, I met and conversed with another interesting player for about a half hour.


 

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