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Snipe Ranger
Posted - 2007.12.22 22:17:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Snipe Ranger on 23/12/2007 20:09:31
I'm just returning to the game and noticed the torp changes...

I have one question come to mind:

Do the NPCs that use torps also get the range nerf?

Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp
New Eden Research.
Posted - 2007.12.22 22:21:00 - [2]
 

No.

Snipe Ranger
Posted - 2007.12.22 22:32:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Tamia Clant
No.


Of course, what was I thinking... why would they right?... Rolling Eyes

Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
Posted - 2007.12.23 05:45:00 - [4]
 

actually this is a good point nerf the rats !

Rilder
Caldari
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.12.23 06:25:00 - [5]
 

Most torp rats orbit at 25-30 km and most Cruise missile rats orbit at 50km...

Just my observations, not from missions though.

Eval B'Stard
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2007.12.23 07:24:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Rilder
Most torp rats orbit at 25-30 km and most Cruise missile rats orbit at 50km...

Just my observations, not from missions though.


Most lvl 4 mission torp spamming rats can fire from over 100km from my observations.

Nice to see CCP keeping the playing field level Rolling Eyes

techzer0
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.12.23 07:27:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Eval B'Stard
Originally by: Rilder
Most torp rats orbit at 25-30 km and most Cruise missile rats orbit at 50km...

Just my observations, not from missions though.


Most lvl 4 mission torp spamming rats can fire from over 100km from my observations.

Nice to see CCP keeping the playing field level Rolling Eyes
lol yeah Rolling Eyes

Dred'Pirate Jesus
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2007.12.23 07:38:00 - [8]
 

Ah yes.. Topics about NPC's not getting the torp range decrease and/or "Omg why can't I use torps at range in missions like I used too its so unfair" is the new Jita it seems.. ugh

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2007.12.23 07:47:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus
Ah yes.. Topics about NPC's not getting the torp range decrease and/or "Omg why can't I use torps at range in missions like I used too its so unfair" is the new Jita it seems.. ugh

\
actully for torps to be usefull in mission the torps your being hit with should have lower range... so that you know, the rats come to you becuase they need to get in close.

If they had to get in close then people wouldn't ***** about needing an afterburner.

Ciuci
FinFleet
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.23 07:48:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus
Ah yes.. Topics about ... "Omg why can't I use torps at range in missions like I used too its so unfair" is the new Jita it seems.. ugh

did you see any of those reasons in this topic ? ... if you have nothing to contribute please shut up.
on topic ... npc's have always been buffed Very Happy whould be nice to have them affected by the same stats that affect us ( like TD and damps )

Dred'Pirate Jesus
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2007.12.23 07:55:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Ciuci
Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus
Ah yes.. Topics about ... "Omg why can't I use torps at range in missions like I used too its so unfair" is the new Jita it seems.. ugh

did you see any of those reasons in this topic ?


Give it time or wait a bit for another thread with the same topic to pop up.. Wink

Hazurr
Amarr
Krell-Korp
Posted - 2007.12.23 10:08:00 - [12]
 

Then again, rats fit turrets on ravens... so it's just balancing

Hazurr
Amarr
Krell-Korp
Posted - 2007.12.23 10:09:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Hazurr on 23/12/2007 10:09:36
Et tu doublepost.. Et tu..

Zaqar
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2007.12.23 10:14:00 - [14]
 

NPCs are allowed to cheat a little to make up for not having a human brain. Given that, I'm sure you can outsmart them if you try really hard Laughing

Estephania
Independent Political Analysts
Posted - 2007.12.23 10:16:00 - [15]
 

NPCs are not players. Try substituting NPC ships with player ships (even very poorly fitted) in any lvl 4 mission and let's see how long you will last.

Snipe Ranger
Posted - 2007.12.23 20:03:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus
Originally by: Ciuci
Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus
Ah yes.. Topics about ... "Omg why can't I use torps at range in missions like I used too its so unfair" is the new Jita it seems.. ugh

did you see any of those reasons in this topic ?


Give it time or wait a bit for another thread with the same topic to pop up.. Wink


Actually no, I think the torp range for rof swap was a great one.... it only took how many years to implement?

I didnt think the NPCs ranges would be nerfed. I was just hoping after all these years some thought would be put into NPCers and Missioners when these sort of changes are done. I mean hitting Huge rats with cruise missiles while they are hitting you with torps from 100km is uhhh.... completely unbalanced.

NPCers and Missioners don't matter much anyways right?

While many pvpers (I love to pvp btw but I also enjoy ratting and some missioning from time to time) would like to forget totally about those folks, they do exist.

While the range nerf on torps was totally needed and overdue I REALLY wish the devs would take into account what happens to other aspects of their changes.

Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Umbra Synergy
Posted - 2007.12.23 20:08:00 - [17]
 

NPC'S STILL USE THE OLD NOS TOO, i HAVENT SEEN ANY THREADS ON THAT Shocked

Snipe Ranger
Posted - 2007.12.23 20:13:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Snipe Ranger on 23/12/2007 20:16:33
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus
Ah yes.. Topics about NPC's not getting the torp range decrease and/or "Omg why can't I use torps at range in missions like I used too its so unfair" is the new Jita it seems.. ugh

\
actully for torps to be usefull in mission the torps your being hit with should have lower range... so that you know, the rats come to you becuase they need to get in close.

If they had to get in close then people wouldn't ***** about needing an afterburner.




This is a while ago but I remember rats that use rockets in missions which couldnt hit you because they were out of range, if they have the proper stats why shouldn't torp spitting battleships?

Kazuma Saruwatari
Posted - 2007.12.23 20:21:00 - [19]
 

sheesh if you think this is such a big deal to whine about, bugreport it.

Personally I'm fine with the old torps on NPC's. Reminds me of the good old days before the Torp changes.

I like the range of the old, yet also like the RoF of the newTwisted Evil

AK Shaman
Posted - 2007.12.23 20:23:00 - [20]
 

deadspace angel NPC just easy shot me with bane torpedo from 52 km

Freya Runestone
Posted - 2007.12.23 20:26:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Snipe Ranger
I didnt think the NPCs ranges would be nerfed. I was just hoping after all these years some thought would be put into NPCers and Missioners when these sort of changes are done. I mean hitting Huge rats with cruise missiles while they are hitting you with torps from 100km is uhhh.... completely unbalanced.

yes. because rats are just as hard to handle as a real player, right?

Snipe Ranger
Posted - 2007.12.24 02:12:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Snipe Ranger on 24/12/2007 02:12:26
Originally by: Freya Runestone
Originally by: Snipe Ranger
I didnt think the NPCs ranges would be nerfed. I was just hoping after all these years some thought would be put into NPCers and Missioners when these sort of changes are done. I mean hitting Huge rats with cruise missiles while they are hitting you with torps from 100km is uhhh.... completely unbalanced.

yes. because rats are just as hard to handle as a real player, right?



I'm really tired of stupid people comparing NPCs with real players, that is a very stupid point to bring up as NO one would think the two are the same OR alike. In other words If I wanted to fight players I would go to low sec or .0 to do it, period.

Again I dont have a problem with the torp changes AGAIN I think they are good, the only point I was brining up is the fact that devs pay little to no attention to how their pvp reasons are for changing things will change the PvE side. How people claim this a is a "whine" is beyond me. Seems anything people dont agree with is a instant "whine" in their eyes.

blake fallout
Posted - 2007.12.24 02:21:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: blake fallout on 24/12/2007 02:22:14
i just a few hours ago got the skill req for torps, and athough i ould fit them to my mega, id rather stick to heavy missles for now since i have 50-55km range on them right now, then getting up close to the rats, and my drakes 7x heavy missles flat out pwan anything i seen yet.

Flinx Evenstar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.12.24 02:25:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Eval B'Stard
Originally by: Rilder
Most torp rats orbit at 25-30 km and most Cruise missile rats orbit at 50km...

Just my observations, not from missions though.


Most lvl 4 mission torp spamming rats can fire from over 100km from my observations.

Nice to see CCP keeping the playing field level Rolling Eyes


Remind me when level 4 missions were a challenge...

It's free isk, sorry you can't do it afk anymore



Arana Tellen
Gallente
Clan Death Corps
Posted - 2007.12.24 02:33:00 - [25]
 

If level IVs are THAT hard for you try switching down to level IIIs, no cruise or torps in those missions Wink

Ghoul Ahn'Khor
Perkone
Posted - 2007.12.24 02:43:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Ghoul Ahn''Khor on 24/12/2007 02:44:33

Ghoul Ahn'Khor
Perkone
Posted - 2007.12.24 02:46:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: blake fallout
Edited by: blake fallout on 24/12/2007 02:22:14
i just a few hours ago got the skill req for torps, and athough i ould fit them to my mega, id rather stick to heavy missles for now since i have 50-55km range on them right now, then getting up close to the rats, and my drakes 7x heavy missles flat out pwan anything i seen yet.



Give it time...ccp will nerf those too.Smile

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2007.12.24 03:43:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Malcanis on 24/12/2007 03:43:49
Originally by: Snipe Ranger
Edited by: Snipe Ranger on 23/12/2007 20:09:31
I'm just returning to the game and noticed the torp changes...

I have one question come to mind:

Do the NPCs that use torps also get the range nerf?


No.... and they don't get the RoF boost either.

EDIT: They still don't fit 6 launchers either.


be careful what you ask for.

Marak Bon
Parallax Continuum
Motivated and Determined
Posted - 2007.12.24 03:47:00 - [29]
 

Yeah their definatly still goign a long range.. but then again not really a problem. They hit me at 50-60km, but they still come into my 35km rage range, so i dont really mind lol. Dont need that AB i thought i would either, turns out since the torp changes im doing more damage, quicker and their in my range anyway haha.

Yeah im a carebear, what of it?

Khanid Kutie
I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp
Posted - 2007.12.24 03:49:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Eval B'Stard
Nice to see CCP keeping the playing field level Rolling Eyes


lol you're worried about a level plying field with NPC's?? Heaven help you if you decide to unwrap your balls and actually try to PVP.


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