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benm2012
Gallente
Ion Corp.
Citex Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.22 16:32:00 - [1]
 

So, say I have the standing for the perfect refine (the number escapes me). What skills would I need other than refinery level V to get a perfect refine on any ore?

Mudkest
Adventurers
Matari Visionary Coalition
Posted - 2007.12.22 16:47:00 - [2]
 

50% station, refining 5, refining efficiency 4 and ore refining at 1 should do it(with refinery efficiency at 5 you still need lvl1 in xx processing)

stations with less then 50% refine will never yield perfect refine, thik standing is 5 or 6 to get rid of tax but not sure on that one.

Dakaris Zulu
Awww Diddums..
Posted - 2007.12.22 17:42:00 - [3]
 

6.50 standings needed for 0%


Mona X
Caldari
Missions Mining and Mayhem
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2007.12.22 18:54:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Dakaris Zulu
6.50 standings needed for 0%




6.666

Xioden Acap
Navy of Xoc
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2007.12.22 21:16:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Mudkest
stations with less then 50% refine will never yield perfect refine.


Wrong. With refining 5, refining efficiency 5, and ore/ice specific skill at 5, will get 100% refine at all but 35% refineries. This will give you 96.9% yield at the 35% refinery. The Zainou 'Beancounter' H60 Hardwiring gives a 4% reduction in refining waste. 96.9+4=100.9, or 100% refining yield at 35% stations.

Mudkest
Adventurers
Matari Visionary Coalition
Posted - 2007.12.23 01:42:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Xioden Acap
Originally by: Mudkest
stations with less then 50% refine will never yield perfect refine.


Wrong. With refining 5, refining efficiency 5, and ore/ice specific skill at 5, will get 100% refine at all but 35% refineries. This will give you 96.9% yield at the 35% refinery. The Zainou 'Beancounter' H60 Hardwiring gives a 4% reduction in refining waste. 96.9+4=100.9, or 100% refining yield at 35% stations.


good to know I was wrong :)

benm2012
Gallente
Ion Corp.
Citex Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.23 04:02:00 - [7]
 

thanks guys Very Happy

Zaerlorth Maelkor
The Maverick Navy
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2007.12.23 17:13:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Xioden Acap
Originally by: Mudkest
stations with less then 50% refine will never yield perfect refine.


Wrong. With refining 5, refining efficiency 5, and ore/ice specific skill at 5, will get 100% refine at all but 35% refineries. This will give you 96.9% yield at the 35% refinery. The Zainou 'Beancounter' H60 Hardwiring gives a 4% reduction in refining waste. 96.9+4=100.9, or 100% refining yield at 35% stations.


I'm almost certain that this isn't correct. Not knowing all that much about the numbers, but what I've observed as I'm training up refining effeciency, is that for each lvl it reduces the waste by about 2% at a station where I get a little over 50%.
Refining effeciency reduces waste by 4% per lvl. So from what I can see it 4% reduction of the 50% waste that you have
0.04x0.5=2%, so instead of receiving 50% you would now receive 52% of the minerals and the rest will be waste.

Disclaimer:
This is just based on the observation I make on my own char.

Refazed
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2007.12.24 06:23:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Xioden Acap


Wrong. With refining 5, refining efficiency 5, and ore/ice specific skill at 5, will get 100% refine at all but 35% refineries. This will give you 96.9% yield at the 35% refinery. The Zainou 'Beancounter' H60 Hardwiring gives a 4% reduction in refining waste. 96.9+4=100.9, or 100% refining yield at 35% stations.


Originally by: Zaerlorth Maelkor


I'm almost certain that this isn't correct. Not knowing all that much about the numbers, but what I've observed as I'm training up refining effeciency, is that for each lvl it reduces the waste by about 2% at a station where I get a little over 50%.
Refining effeciency reduces waste by 4% per lvl. So from what I can see it 4% reduction of the 50% waste that you have
0.04x0.5=2%, so instead of receiving 50% you would now receive 52% of the minerals and the rest will be waste.

Disclaimer:
This is just based on the observation I make on my own char.


the actual formula (not counting implants) is:

=BASE_REFINE + (0.375* (1+REFINING_LEVEL*0.02)*(1+REFINNING_EFF_LEVEL*0.04)*(1+MATERIAL_SPEC_LEVEL*0.05))

which in this example yields 96.88%

so if everything looks the same the implant calc would be:


=BASE_REFINE + (0.375* (1+REFINING_LEVEL*0.02)*(1+REFINNING_EFF_LEVEL*0.04)*(1+MATERIAL_SPEC_LEVEL*0.05)*(1+[IMPLANT_VAL]))

which comes out to 99.35 at a 35% station.

unless the implants work differently then the rest...


Saietor Blackgreen
Armored Saints
Posted - 2007.12.24 07:35:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Refazed


the actual formula (not counting implants) is:

=BASE_REFINE + (0.375* (1+REFINING_LEVEL*0.02)*(1+REFINNING_EFF_LEVEL*0.04)*(1+MATERIAL_SPEC_LEVEL*0.05))

which in this example yields 96.88%

so if everything looks the same the implant calc would be:


=BASE_REFINE + (0.375* (1+REFINING_LEVEL*0.02)*(1+REFINNING_EFF_LEVEL*0.04)*(1+MATERIAL_SPEC_LEVEL*0.05)*(1+[IMPLANT_VAL]))

which comes out to 99.35 at a 35% station.

unless the implants work differently then the rest...




QFT. Percentage Boni are never additive in Eve. They're multiplicative.
Anyway, that 0.65% of waste is nothing to worry about.


 

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