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Treelox
Posted - 2007.12.23 07:05:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Riethe


Ricdic, why would I be worried about being accepted by you on this name, when I'm already able to talk to you frequently on my other names?

Come on guys. This is a lot more planned than you think. It's hard to say much more but it makes me glee!


And there lays the crux of the issue as I see it. You cant afford to prove this assertion, and without real proof from a know and self confessed scoundrel, I tend to disbelieve such assertions as bravado, more attempts at "social engineering", mental masterbation and/or a desperate cry for attention.

Maybe I am wrong, but I really dont care.

Riethe
Posted - 2007.12.23 07:12:00 - [32]
 

Cared enough to post.

Shadarle
Posted - 2007.12.23 07:29:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Shadarle on 23/12/2007 07:29:46
I am sure I do not talk to any alts of yours in game Riethe, your typing style is very identifiable. In all the people I know and talk to, none are an alt of yours. Try and say whatever you want but you do not have an alt that talks to me a lot in game. Perhaps you talk to Ricdic on an alt, but not me. And considering how many times you've messaged me lately I think you'd have tried to trick me with an alt if you truly had one.

Maybe you do have other accounts, but you keep them very hidden. You may post on here with them, but in game you stay well away from anyone that could find you out with them.

Ricdic
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.12.23 07:29:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Riethe
Ricdic, why would I be worried about being accepted by you on this name, when I'm already able to talk to you frequently on my other names?


Anyone can talk to me on any name. Either way it was pretty valid. I gave a few examples and said I thought you were the last mentioned one, or your own unique one. Either way just about every scammer made the same snide remarks about how they would scam again and they had contacts and all this bs. Whatever floats your boat.

Treelox
Posted - 2007.12.23 07:37:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Riethe
Cared enough to post.



I think you have taken my use of the word "care" out of context. Let me explain it for you, so you can better understand. I do care about your presence, what I dont care about is what you say are your motivations behind any of your actions.

Why dont I care about what you have to say about yourself, who and what you might be, and the plans that you might have. Well I dont really care about them because they are just assertions of "truth" by a known liar. Which means to me that they are worthless with out proof.

You can continue to post here in MD all you want, and I will enjoy the content of some of your post, other times I wont. At the end of the day though, anything that you claim to be "Secret" knowledge or truths that only you know, have as much worth to me as your bonds do to your investors, these days.

Riethe
Posted - 2007.12.23 07:49:00 - [36]
 

Well it's just that I get all excited! And this thread brings it out!

Shad: Very Happy

You're wrong!!

Argenton Sayvers
Posted - 2007.12.23 12:32:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Argenton Sayvers on 23/12/2007 12:44:28
Originally by: Ricdic
It always works the same way.

1) Person scams for whatever amount
2) Person gets outed from the community
3) Person disappears
4) In case where person doesn't disappear they spend some time bragging about their accomplishments before disappearing.
5) In case where person doesn't disappear and generally hangs around but doesn't overly brag they feel they can be accepted back into the community. ... .

6) They join Bob. (Lofty, Fendra)
7) They resell officer mods (ArtemisEntreri)
8) They remain Eve-heroes and synonyms for eve-online in general (Istvaan)

Vegeta / Fendrian seem to be fine too.
Not to forget the myriad of corp-thefts, espionage and tower-offline betrayels etc that are so common in the alliance world.


I cannot remember this forum ever having a good thread on officer module reselling, so it doesnt even cover the entire market spectrum, not to say the entirety of eve.

As for Riethe - who else wants Istvaan back?

Mr Horizontal
Gallente
Posted - 2007.12.23 13:03:00 - [38]
 

I have 2 things to say:

1) Scams have their place. In our little secondary market here, the only real way we lose money is not by having shares go down. They just don't IPO if there's a likelihood of the value going down (though some ultra-mature and heavily traded shares like EMFI and FIN can to a small extent, but never lower than IPO price). So really our portfolios are all 'ultra high risk' taken by the standard of an RL folio, because we're hedging earnings from trustworthy stocks paying out against stocks that'll scam, and we base our portfolio earnings that way. Because we have the ability for portfolios losing out via the scams, we have a 'proper' market where shares go up and down.

2) Riethe is nothing. When I try and attract people to MD either to buy IPOs or just deposit in EBANK, they all mention EIB. EIB was the scam that made everyone else in EVE really scared, and for this reason it's Cally that still rules the roost of all scammers. So Riethe, I'm sorry buddy, but the 100m you lost me wasn't even 5% of my portfolio value, and I still made 38% gain just from shares alone last month. Most people invested thinking RHCRP promises a lot, but it's high risk, which is why you got the money, but noone really lost a lot because they'd already hedged their bets with you. So while you got your money once, in the Grand Scheme of Things, you're an irrelevant speck of detritus. Don't expect us to talk about you for years to come. We won't.

Riethe
Posted - 2007.12.23 13:19:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Mr Horizontal
...self reassurance and misdirection of suppressed emotions...

Hey, buddy, whatever it takes for you to help justify your bad decision making. Interestingly enough, I'm actually quite ready to accept the fact that the name "Riethe" might not ever be said again on these forums.

But that won't be because you're done talking. I'll decide when you're done talking, buddy.

It will be because this character slot will be occupied by a new character, with a new routine and a new job.

Good job though, with the assessment there. I definitely feel like you took me down a few notches by making arbitrary comparisons.

It's sort of like me saying to you, hey, BUDDY! your 38% returns on your minuscule capital will never, EVER, compare to Ricdic and EBANK and whatever, you pick your favorite residential badass.

You could say, "you're right! But I'm okay with that! I'm doing my own thing and I feel that for the goals I've set out to reach, I'm doing quite a nice job so far!"

Maybe with a few less bangs, preferably, but that seems like the typical response you'd get from someone.

Also, another good job, buddy. Planning out your life "years" ahead. Still going to be here on eve, definitely not talking about that Riethe guy.

Got it all figured out.

Hexxx
Minmatar
Posted - 2007.12.23 13:32:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Riethe
Originally by: Mr Horizontal
...self reassurance and misdirection of suppressed emotions...

Hey, buddy, whatever it takes for you to help justify your bad decision making. Interestingly enough, I'm actually quite ready to accept the fact that the name "Riethe" might not ever be said again on these forums.

But that won't be because you're done talking. I'll decide when you're done talking, buddy.

It will be because this character slot will be occupied by a new character, with a new routine and a new job.

Good job though, with the assessment there. I definitely feel like you took me down a few notches by making arbitrary comparisons.

It's sort of like me saying to you, hey, BUDDY! your 38% returns on your minuscule capital will never, EVER, compare to Ricdic and EBANK and whatever, you pick your favorite residential badass.

You could say, "you're right! But I'm okay with that! I'm doing my own thing and I feel that for the goals I've set out to reach, I'm doing quite a nice job so far!"

Maybe with a few less bangs, preferably, but that seems like the typical response you'd get from someone.

Also, another good job, buddy. Planning out your life "years" ahead. Still going to be here on eve, definitely not talking about that Riethe guy.

Got it all figured out.



Blah, blah, blah.

Ricdic
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.12.23 14:05:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Argenton Sayvers
6) They join Bob. (Lofty, Fendra)
7) They resell officer mods (ArtemisEntreri)
8) They remain Eve-heroes and synonyms for eve-online in general (Istvaan)

Vegeta / Fendrian seem to be fine too.
Not to forget the myriad of corp-thefts, espionage and tower-offline betrayels etc that are so common in the alliance world.


I cannot remember this forum ever having a good thread on officer module reselling, so it doesnt even cover the entire market spectrum, not to say the entirety of eve.

As for Riethe - who else wants Istvaan back?



None of them scammed via this forum. That's why they weren't included in my analysis Cool. Plus I didn't think of them. I could insert some part here about how low scamming your friends is etc etc but I will leave it be. Riethe has his ego filter on. A scam isn't an achievment, nor is a corporate theft. It's an abuse of friendship and trust. Game or no game I don't want to be RL friends with anyone who chooses this path.

Draaken
Caldari
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.12.23 14:25:00 - [42]
 

I usually only fast-forward through CAOD for giggles, but this thread here is funny. It's like CAOD without them mentally deranged children. I've been missing this kind of banter on EVE forums ... so keep going please!

On a more on-topic note. I don't like scamming, but I hold a grudging respect for those in that profession, simply because time and time again they manage to make their target forget the simplest rule of EVE: nobody's safe, nowhere. In-game, that is, although thanks to the CAOD-crew, nastier stuff has been introduced to me too, which I just find pathetically sad, but that's another story.

I love the psychological aspects of this discussion, all the tension, everyone claiming higher ground or being the "smarter" guy. And it was great to be reminded again that all the different forum sections are their very own microcosm, with their respective inhabitants thinking theirs is the whole world. Smile

eosfun
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.12.23 14:27:00 - [43]
 

Yep, scams are legitimate on CCP's rules but not on our watch. The wild west still had sheriffs but not overall rule. I really don't know why he does keep coming back but one thing i wanted to bring up was the disappearing act that Cally pulled.

With people like that disappearing and buying another character and then start posting under another character and slowly building up rep. He could possibly be doing that, except for one thing, he can't change his voice. If there was another disappearing act done on a large scale like Cally, they could disappear forever. No trace...

All in all, scams will remain a prevalent threat among the eve community and we are the only ways to really control it. So keep a keen eye, keep your friends close, and the scammers even closer.

Argenton Sayvers
Posted - 2007.12.23 14:48:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: Argenton Sayvers on 23/12/2007 14:53:57
Originally by: Ricdic
None of them scammed via this forum.


Fendra - Omnigen, one of the first scams here.
Artemis - SVE, the scam that got refunded (and later, the scammer got his money back), and finally led to a clarification of the rules. Almost every big name back then got hit by this one...

Maybe you see now what i was talking about...

Shadarle
Posted - 2007.12.23 15:45:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Riethe
Well it's just that I get all excited! And this thread brings it out!

Shad: Very Happy

You're wrong!!


I absolutely am not wrong. You do not talk to me in game on any alt, only on Riethe. I am sure of this. I know you'll continue to say I'm wrong, but I am not. There happens to be other ways to know that I don't talk to your alts, so every time you say otherwise I know you're lying.

Ricdic
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.12.23 15:55:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Argenton Sayvers
Edited by: Argenton Sayvers on 23/12/2007 14:53:57
Originally by: Ricdic
None of them scammed via this forum.


Fendra - Omnigen, one of the first scams here.
Artemis - SVE, the scam that got refunded (and later, the scammer got his money back), and finally led to a clarification of the rules. Almost every big name back then got hit by this one...

Maybe you see now what i was talking about...



sorry, by 'this forum' i meant the Market Discussions section. Only Currin Trading / SVE was on this forum from your above mentioned list, and he fits into my numbering categorisations.

Ricdic
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.12.23 16:18:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Shadarle
I absolutely am not wrong. You do not talk to me in game on any alt, only on Riethe. I am sure of this. I know you'll continue to say I'm wrong, but I am not. There happens to be other ways to know that I don't talk to your alts, so every time you say otherwise I know you're lying.


No point arguing with him. We know how he values his character, and that lying is a term that is no doubt in his vocabulary. Frankly after his scam, anyone believing he tells the truth would be stupid.

SiJira
Posted - 2007.12.23 16:19:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: SiJira on 23/12/2007 16:19:18

he doesnt have any long standing alts of any significance - his current goal is to make everyone in the mad paranoid even of those they think they can trust a lot - wheres shar tegral to define fud?

even if just the newcomers get hurt he will succeed so we need more established trustworthy players to offer security for their ipos


Draaken
Caldari
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.12.23 16:35:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Mr Horizontal
2) Riethe is nothing. When I try and attract people to MD either to buy IPOs or just deposit in EBANK, they all mention EIB. EIB was the scam that made everyone else in EVE really scared, and for this reason it's Cally that still rules the roost of all scammers.

Although EIB was by far the most successful scam in terms of ISK, even today with the large influx of newer players I would think that Istvaan Shogaatsu (spelling?) is the most renowned/notorious scammer.

...and in case you missed it, Istvaan apparently returned to EVE, so keep an eye out, I'm sure the Guiding Hands are scheming already.

Ricdic
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.12.23 16:43:00 - [50]
 

Nah I would put EIB on a larger scale in terms of brand awareness. In terms of popularity however Istavaan has the title for his daring theft adventures. It's one thing to tell your story on how you done this/that (Istavan), it's another to keep on trying to bignote yourself and throw your ego around (Dentara Rast). No-one likes a show-off as they say.

Argenton Sayvers
Posted - 2007.12.23 16:48:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Ricdic
sorry, by 'this forum' i meant the Market Discussions section.


Omnigen

Plenty of threads by Fendra in OoP and COAD during the summer.
Im certain you still remember Janette / ArtemisEntreri of SVE.

Obviously i havent done any detective work on what happened to the other scammers.

So what was your point? That scammers leave marketdiscussion forum? Or that scammers are totally isolated? Obviously, they leave MD most of the time, but why should they stay if their goal was to do anything but IPOs in eve?

My point is that the small market community makes up stories about how everyone hates scammers, but most outside either dont care or forget about it very fast (or even aplaud them for robbing rich lazy industrialists and market manipulating tycoons).

I have heard exactly one payback story, and that was done by Outbreak.
Basically, you dont have any power to enforce your fictional rules, Hexxx is basically "roleplaying" a though metagamer. Great basis to scare away scammers, isnt it?

Shadarle
Posted - 2007.12.23 16:49:00 - [52]
 

Edited by: Shadarle on 23/12/2007 16:50:07
Edited by: Shadarle on 23/12/2007 16:49:20
Originally by: Draaken
Originally by: Mr Horizontal
2) Riethe is nothing. When I try and attract people to MD either to buy IPOs or just deposit in EBANK, they all mention EIB. EIB was the scam that made everyone else in EVE really scared, and for this reason it's Cally that still rules the roost of all scammers.

Although EIB was by far the most successful scam in terms of ISK, even today with the large influx of newer players I would think that Istvaan Shogaatsu (spelling?) is the most renowned/notorious scammer.

...and in case you missed it, Istvaan apparently returned to EVE, so keep an eye out, I'm sure the Guiding Hands are scheming already.


Considering I have never heard of Istvaan I hardly consider it at the level of EIB. I heard about EIB on Digg! A world news compilation site, thats how big it was. That was before I was too active on these forums.

I can tell you that most of the stuff we discuss here is unknown to the majority of the player base. I bet a lot haven't even heard of EIB, maybe even half of the player base if not more.

Ricdic
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.12.23 16:59:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Argenton Sayvers
Originally by: Ricdic
sorry, by 'this forum' i meant the Market Discussions section.


Omnigen



If that's conclusive evidence then i'll be damned.

Anyway the point was that people generally don't hang around the MD forums after they have committed thier scams. Some try too and eventually disapear, others try too and get upset that they aren't allowed back into the 'ring' etc.

There was no real point to my thread and it's kinda gone off-topic just a tad whereby the whole thing defeats the purpose.

Anyway, Riethe will craft his own future path. Time will tell what direction it takes, but I personally don't feel he will be chatting in here casually 4 months from now.

Cergorach
Amarr
The Helix Foundation
Posted - 2007.12.23 19:48:00 - [54]
 

I might be too paranoid for my own good, but Reithe is only a persona, not the actual person playing Eve-Online. The person playing the Reithe persona can be anyone, it can be the same person playing the Hexx persona or the Ridic persona (or both), it can even be me (not that you should believe me, but i'm pretty sure, i hope...).

Creating a persona (with it's own unique personality and writing style) isn't that difficult, it's what Roleplaying is all about (RPGs didn't start with computer games). Eve-Online allows the seedier personas to be played, pirating and scamming are just the other side of the New Eve credit. One of the reasons I (and many with me) started playing Eve-Online is because this is possible. I ,for one, will not excersice my right to pirate and scam (as indicated here). That doesn't mean I don't want it in the game, it would be very booring without pirates and scammers around.

Fight the Scammers!
Fight the Pirates!
Fight the Power!

;-)

SiJira
Posted - 2007.12.23 20:19:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Cergorach
I might be too paranoid for my own good, but Reithe is only a persona, not the actual person playing Eve-Online. The person playing the Reithe persona can be anyone, it can be the same person playing the Hexx persona or the Ridic persona (or both), it can even be me (not that you should believe me, but i'm pretty sure, i hope...).

Creating a persona (with it's own unique personality and writing style) isn't that difficult, it's what Roleplaying is all about (RPGs didn't start with computer games). Eve-Online allows the seedier personas to be played, pirating and scamming are just the other side of the New Eve credit. One of the reasons I (and many with me) started playing Eve-Online is because this is possible. I ,for one, will not excersice my right to pirate and scam (as indicated here). That doesn't mean I don't want it in the game, it would be very booring without pirates and scammers around.

Fight the Scammers!
Fight the Pirates!
Fight the Power!

;-)


the problem with your conclusion is that even when someone makes a persona its easy to tell who it is i wont list all the ways since some are obvious and others would only help anyone who might do this
just know that if you think you are smarter than everyone else or that something is impossible - that there are some things others are a lot smarter at and - beleive it or not - there are people more intelligent than you in some categories no matter what - and that it is possible

the only question that remains is who do you think is being fooled?

Riethe
Posted - 2007.12.23 23:42:00 - [56]
 

Hey, you do your detective work.

If you put all the pieces together and link all my characters together, I will give you a substantial amount of ISK.

(substantially larger than what RHCRP pulled in)

My names and the designs behind each and every one of them are like my assets.

If you were to truly discover all the links between the various names I actively use, then you'd essentially take away any of the leveraging power I've built up.

It's sort of like taking away all of C-R-A's towers and labs and leaving ricdic with nothing there.

Although I think in the grand scheme of what Ricdic values, I'm not sure C-R-A is nearly as valuable to him as my identities are to me.

Though I have no idea what the exact sentimental value C-R-A holds, so I'm not trying to pretend like I do.

But for me, there are two things that I value most: The efforts I've put in to get to the point I'm at right now, (the names and connections I've built up slowly) and the ISK that comes from it (to feed my interest in PVP and the freedom that ISK allows for in the game.)

Many people here are convinced that, for whatever reason, it's impossible to become someone else.

Well, I would like you to go to your nearest theater, buy a ticket for any movie that is currently playing, and take a seat and be amazed at what you're about to see.

Ordinary people, pretending to be other people! Incredible! I'm sure all of them have disorders as well.

It's not as crazy as you think. Let's just dismiss all the people that figure out unique ways to enjoy themselves, in an environment that deems it completely legal.

We're all expanding our portfolios and the expense of others.

Hexxx
Minmatar
Posted - 2007.12.24 00:03:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Riethe


Pay attention to meeeeeeeee...




Ya got nothing Reithe. You're playing a bluff and it's been called.

Hexxx
Minmatar
Posted - 2007.12.24 00:08:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Argenton Sayvers
Originally by: Ricdic
sorry, by 'this forum' i meant the Market Discussions section.


Omnigen

Plenty of threads by Fendra in OoP and COAD during the summer.
Im certain you still remember Janette / ArtemisEntreri of SVE.

Obviously i havent done any detective work on what happened to the other scammers.

So what was your point? That scammers leave marketdiscussion forum? Or that scammers are totally isolated? Obviously, they leave MD most of the time, but why should they stay if their goal was to do anything but IPOs in eve?

My point is that the small market community makes up stories about how everyone hates scammers, but most outside either dont care or forget about it very fast (or even aplaud them for robbing rich lazy industrialists and market manipulating tycoons).

I have heard exactly one payback story, and that was done by Outbreak.
Basically, you dont have any power to enforce your fictional rules, Hexxx is basically "roleplaying" a though metagamer. Great basis to scare away scammers, isnt it?


I don't roleplay.

I got my graduate degree at the same university that Dr. Edward Castranova is at now (Indiana University, Bloomington) , his blog TerraNova. If that isn't enough, read about the "State of Play" annual conference co-sponsered by NYU and Yale.

Emergent social structures are the only power here in the MD.

I can wait while you get a dictionary out and read up on wikipedia to understand what I'm talking about.

Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
Posted - 2007.12.24 00:21:00 - [59]
 

Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 24/12/2007 00:23:36
Quote:

Considering I have never heard of Istvaan I hardly consider it at the level of EIB.


To be fair, Istvann was the first big "scam" or what I'd have rather called "infiltration" I heard of. It hit the New Scientist magazine and has numerous articles across the web about it, and I generally don't follow newsgroups or anything. Moreso, I haven't actually heard much about the EIB except it was a "big scam".

Linkage if you've never heard of Istvaan

Argenton Sayvers
Posted - 2007.12.24 00:36:00 - [60]
 

Edited by: Argenton Sayvers on 24/12/2007 00:38:32
Originally by: Hexxx
I don't roleplay.

I got my graduate degree [...]


Explain to me the difference between bluffing (poker), a DM/GM designing, and rolling the dice for the BIG BAD EVIL SCAMMING ENDBOSS (generic PnP RPG), and playing a scammer in eve?



Oh and "Theater!!!111, look im an actor!" and "Degree!!!111cos(0) I dont roleplay!" within 2 posts - heh.


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