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Lake
The Praxis Initiative
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2007.12.21 09:07:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Lake on 12/07/2008 22:54:33
Edited by: Lake on 12/07/2008 21:19:45
New accounts are currently 0.1 ISK to setup. Future pricing To Be Determined, but don't worry it won't ever be very much even for a new player. It has now been stable in open beta for over six months.

It's an Instant Messaging server for EVE players, with some EVE API integration.

IM Service Features

  • Private XMPP Server (aka Jabber or Google Talk)

  • Works with most multi-service IM Clients

  • Server-to-Server enabled (message users on Google Talk and other XMPP services)

  • Shared Contact Lists (managed by IM Bot)

  • Chat Channels (similar to IRC)

  • Server-based Broadcasts to Contact Groups

  • IM Bot with various utilities (check your balance, training time, etc)

  • Much more, and suggestions welcome



Mail Service Features

  • Basic Web-Mail interface

  • IMAP and POP access

  • Access via Google Mail (instructions)



The neat thing is the shared contact lists. Just tell the server's bot to add you to a group and as soon as you reconnect you'll have a new contact list group showing all the members. No need to collect MSN addresses from corp mates one at a time. And given an API key the server can handle group management (and access restriction) for your corp (currently manual setup).

A variety of clients support the XMPP (aka Jabber or Google Talk) protocol. If you use a multi-protocol client it probably already supports it. Trillian Pro and Pidgin are two favorites.

Server to server messaging is enabled, so you can use this account to talk to, for example, GTalk users by entering their user_name@gmail.com username (and vice versa).

Account signup is done by making a minimum transfer of 0.01 ISK to the in-game corp eve-mail.net [E-M.N], with new accounts added automatically every hour.

And just because it was easy to add you also get an e-mail address with Webmail, POP, and IMAP access.

More details with setup instructions at http://eve-mail.net/.

I'll try using the in game channel E-M.N for user support, and see how that pans out.


Quinn Oron
The Praxis Initiative
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2007.12.21 09:13:00 - [2]
 

Thumbs up for a useful tool.

D Gelalder
Gallente
Core Antum
Posted - 2007.12.21 19:20:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: D Gelalder on 21/12/2007 19:21:50
Nice service :D

Lake
The Praxis Initiative
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2007.12.22 05:03:00 - [4]
 

Rewrote post. Now With Clarity™

Entity
X-Factor Industries
Synthetic Existence
Posted - 2007.12.22 08:22:00 - [5]
 

Entity approves.

Lake
The Praxis Initiative
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2008.01.10 07:41:00 - [6]
 

Just a quick note that as the bot and server have proven stable I no longer consider the service beta. Accounts are still free for now, however.

Krauser
Caldari
Builders Inc.
DarkStorm Enterprises
Posted - 2008.01.10 18:31:00 - [7]
 

Thx Lake. Great Service! Smile

Lake
The Praxis Initiative
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2008.01.18 20:32:00 - [8]
 

AOL Adds XMPP Support

They haven't enabled server-to-server messaging yet, but neither did Google's GTalk at first.

Crovan
The Praxis Initiative
Sodalitas XX
Posted - 2008.02.09 12:42:00 - [9]
 


Lake
The Praxis Initiative
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2008.02.29 11:02:00 - [10]
 

I just thought I'd stop by and mention the service quietly plodding along, continually picking up new users.

I had one minor (non security) bug with account generation that delayed signups a couple of hours the other day, but other than that it's been rock solid.

I may have some time to tinker with The Postmaster bot, if anyone has some suggestions for features. Right now it just handles group management and my testing but does stuff like tell you the time in GMT (server time). And yes, test du jour is supposed to throw an exception: it's testing exception handling =)

Lake
The Praxis Initiative
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2008.03.04 10:40:00 - [11]
 

Starting to add a few new features to the bot that pull your character's API data. Obviously you first need to set your API credentials, either full or limited. The bot will remember them for future use.

For right now it just gives your skill training time remaining, "The Postmaster: Your current skill will finish training in 4 days, 15 hours, 27 minutes." but more stuff will come as I play with it.

Any suggestions for new stuff are always welcome.

Dao Jindo
Posted - 2008.03.07 01:25:00 - [12]
 

Wow. Nice work Lake. Hope you are doing well.


-Dao Jindo (AKA Matthais Kale)

Lake
The Praxis Initiative
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2008.03.19 20:43:00 - [13]
 

Dao Jindo - Nice to see you're still around as well.

This project has been a nice way to stay involved in EVE on a regular basis without consuming a great deal of time. Some (good) things in real life has made spending the time I'd otherwise like to in EVE impossible for the past some months.

Traldar Six
Posted - 2008.03.22 15:22:00 - [14]
 

Hello there, Lake!

Do you think it would be possible to forward ingame mail to eve-mail.net?
That would be fantastic!

Thanks for the excellent service!
Traldar Six

Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution
Posted - 2008.04.15 20:47:00 - [15]
 

Just hit this on a random search for stuff about EvE.

Brilliant idea. I particularly like the automated setup of the email account by the transferral of ISK. Very clever indeed.


Lake
The Praxis Initiative
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2008.04.16 23:54:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Traldar Six
Hello there, Lake!

Do you think it would be possible to forward ingame mail to eve-mail.net?
That would be fantastic!

Thanks for the excellent service!
Traldar Six


It would be fantastic wouldn't it? ;) Unfortunately in game mail is not available through the API. If it ever does become available I'll certainly add that capability. You'd just need to give The Postmaster the relevant API Credentials.

Lake
The Praxis Initiative
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2008.04.16 23:58:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Lake on 17/04/2008 00:01:05
Originally by: Serenity Steele
Just hit this on a random search for stuff about EvE.

Brilliant idea. I particularly like the automated setup of the email account by the transferral of ISK. Very clever indeed.




I confess the account setup method wasn't my idea. The EBank guys did it before me and may well have not been first. Back when Praxis was big in the ISS days we just used our internal corporate site (ABACUS) to manage Jabber (and forum) accounts. The addition of the API meant I could reliably provide the Jabber service to everyone without administrative hassles =)

Though I do get to take credit for using the 'comment' field on the transaction to set your password. Oh and to reset your password as well if you ever forget it (Usage Tip #1, heh).

P.S. The note in your sig directing people to settings to enable images is kinda useless now that sigs are off by default too (atleast they were for me just now) ;)

Lani Yul
Caldari
Phaze-9
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.04.25 00:17:00 - [18]
 

I see The Praxis Initiative are still developing EVE tools.

Good concept, great work :)

Lake
The Praxis Initiative
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2008.05.14 20:49:00 - [19]
 

One feature that is enabled on the IM/Jabber/XMPP server is the ability to broadcast messages to groups. I think it's mentioned in a couple places but there's no description of how to use the functionality. It's pretty straightforward: groupname@broadcast.eve-mail.net

For example the default group everyone who signs up is placed in is called "eve-mail". To send to everyone in that group you open a new conversation with the address 'eve-mail@broadcast.eve-mail.net'. To send a message to everyone in your corp it'd be something like PRAX@broadcast.eve-mail.net.

You have to be a member of the group to send the message. Only admins can send to all users. There is some potential for 'overzealous use', but this functionality is available in some clients that do it 'manually' too so adding the server side stuff just makes it more convenient for some people. Anyone abusing the service by spamming people or in any other way will obviously be removed.

Lake
The Praxis Initiative
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2008.06.30 10:57:00 - [20]
 

I was thinking of tinkering about with the Eve-Mail system again. I thought I'd post here asking for some simple requests before I go do something that will only get used by me ;)

Post here, or you know how to reach me =)

Lake
The Praxis Initiative
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2008.07.07 14:39:00 - [21]
 

I know at least one other user on the IM server uses Adium's Beta version so I thought I'd post a heads up:

1.3b7 introduced an issue where if your own ID is in one of your contact lists it incorrectly decides it's bad XML data and disconnects. There's a ticket up on their trac server, I expect it'll be resolved by 1.3b8.

1.2.x (the current stable branch) seems to be unaffected by the issue.

Lake
The Praxis Initiative
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2008.07.12 21:21:00 - [22]
 

Top Post updated.

Lake
The Praxis Initiative
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2008.07.19 04:46:00 - [23]
 

I should note that one of my primary focuses of this project is to make it useful as an intra-corp tool. It served my previous corp well, and I know other corps are using their own private servers. But not everyone has the resources/expertise to set up an XMPP server (it's not, yet, like renting a vent or TS server).

So if your corp is interested in giving it a try, please don't hesitate to contact me and we can examine exactly how your specific corp wants to use the system and what additions or changes can be made to make it the most useful.

d'hofren
Queens of the Stone Age
Black Legion.
Posted - 2008.07.20 18:16:00 - [24]
 

Works rather superbly with Digsby... which is nice

Lake
The Praxis Initiative
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2008.07.22 02:21:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Lake on 22/07/2008 02:51:37
Edited by: Lake on 22/07/2008 02:39:31
Edited by: Lake on 22/07/2008 02:21:46
http://www.digsby.com/

Just had a look. I'll have to check it out. Closed source, but free, and not part of a larger conglomerate, what am I missing here?

Edit: Well I'm trying it on my VMWare install. Looks pretty good so far. I've only tried it with my one eve-mail.net account as I use Adium for other services. One oddity is the 'name' data from the eve-mail.net server isn't being respected (though GTalk users are showing properly?). So I see everyone as user_name@eve-mail.net, not "User Name".

I might start recommending it over Pidgin.

Edit2: From Wikipedia, "Digsby is a proprietary multiprotocol instant messaging application developed by dotSyntax, LLC. Digsby is written in wxPython and uses Webkit for rendering. It currently supports e-mail notifications and alerts from MySpace, Facebook and Twitter. It is released under a proprietary license and is currently free to download though the developers and software company are looking at various business models to earn revenue."

I thought I saw .pyo files spam in the installer. Interesting to see it uses WebKit as its renderer. That's a novel approach. WebKit is the renderer for Apple's Safari and a myriad of other browsers. As well as my personal favorite for a replacement to EVE's IGB.


Lake
The Praxis Initiative
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2008.07.26 01:57:00 - [26]
 

I know a few other corps, and alliances, run their own private Jabber servers. And of course controlling your own server is one of the benefits of Jabber, assuming you've got the machine/connection to host it and the time/expertise to admin it.

But one of the nice things about Jabber is the "Server to Server" (S2S?) messaging. If you have it enabled joe@gmail.com can chat with TomB@eve-mail.net who can chat with Tim@eve-corp.com and so on. All with only one account per person.

If you or your corp runs a private jabber server let me know and we can put eachother on our whitelists. Though for now eve-mail.net is set to default allow.

Lake
The Praxis Initiative
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2008.10.01 10:21:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Lake on 01/10/2008 10:22:26


I realized this thread hasn't had a post in a while. It's not that the project has disappeared or anything. It's doing precisely as intended: Quietly plodding along gaining new users without much effort on my part.

I also thought I'd point out a short review posted by Wensley.

Nero Prime
Caldari
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2008.10.27 21:09:00 - [28]
 

Is this service still available? I've sent ISK multiple times with may password as my reason, but can't log-in to eve-mail.net

Lake
The Praxis Initiative
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2008.11.01 11:54:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Lake on 01/11/2008 12:06:54
The service is still available and active. Your account was created normally with your original 'reason' as the password. However because of a particular property of your later passwords it was not properly updated for all services (I should have run that test case and caught the error, my bad).

I have manually updated your mail account password, however you will need to make another 0.1 deposit for your Jabber/XMPP/IM account password to update (its authentication model is not quite as susceptible to manual meddling).

Sorry for not getting to this sooner. I don't check this thread daily. In future if someone has a support issue it's best to mail me on my eve-mail account.

Thanks for finding the bug =)

Nero Prime
Caldari
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2008.11.04 02:51:00 - [30]
 

Still no luck with signing on. :(


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