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Admiral Pelleon
White Shadow Imperium
Posted - 2007.12.20 02:12:00 - [31]
 

I've been killed with GSC's before..

Rhatar Khurin
Minmatar
Dead poets society
The Laughing Men
Posted - 2007.12.20 02:25:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
I've been killed with GSC's before..


but at least they wont steal the valuables. (although they might blow them up)

Admiral Pelleon
White Shadow Imperium
Posted - 2007.12.20 02:27:00 - [33]
 

They can scoop them in a hauler. Wink

F'nog
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2007.12.20 02:56:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Rhatar Khurin
Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
I've been killed with GSC's before..


but at least they wont steal the valuables. (although they might blow them up)


/facepalm.

Bellum Eternus
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2007.12.20 03:08:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn
Originally by: Spartan Chick
A little off topic because it's not a serious suggestion, but when you are going afk for a while, buy a badger and name it "BankMobile".
Throw in some empty secure containers and name them "t2", "faction", "named", "zydrine" or alike.
Set it to autopilot through the nearby systems of Jita, back and forth.
If you're lucky, you will make someone swear a bit after seeing your loot.
And get some kill rights $
When repeated often, you might earn the status "fake hauler" and be ignored in the future ganks :P


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very nice but wouldn't work for a number of reasons

SKUNK


It's funny how you can pick out the idiot carebears, eh Skunk?

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2007.12.20 03:20:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Rhatar Khurin
Just carry all the expensive stuff in secure containers in your hold. No point for anyone to gank you then.


Congrats... you just made my sig over my Yarrr button for a couple weeks Laughing

Melathonis Meradin
Posted - 2007.12.20 03:25:00 - [37]
 

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Spartan Chick
Posted - 2007.12.20 10:37:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Bellum Eternus
It's funny how you can pick out the ones that never carebear, eh Skunk?

Fixed it for you.
Haven't hauled or scanned really, how should I know what shows and what not :P

Emperor D'Hoffryn
EXTERMINATUS.
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2007.12.20 10:45:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Emperor D''Hoffryn on 20/12/2007 10:47:26
Edited by: Emperor D''Hoffryn on 20/12/2007 10:45:45
Originally by: Pilk
Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn
unless you had hps via extenders or whatever, you are not all that hard.

I onced suicided an afk occator in 0.7 with only 10 base t1 fitted destroyers, mostly thrashers with arties.

the occator popped before concord popped the first destroyer.

CONCORD works differently these days.

--P


This was AFTER trinity. But i do stand corrected. It was 14 destroyers, and 1 t1 frig. 1 ship had popped when the occator when boom.

occator sweetness

the reason we bothered should be obvious.

*PS*

Also, please note the large shield extender that was fitted.

Admiral Nova
Strike Team Nova
Posted - 2007.12.20 10:49:00 - [40]
 

You can kill a Bustard with a 20 day old char in an Armageddon.... Had it done to me. Takes 7 seconds. Go figure.

Emperor D'Hoffryn
EXTERMINATUS.
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2007.12.20 10:52:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Admiral Nova
You can kill a Bustard with a 20 day old char in an Armageddon.... Had it done to me. Takes 7 seconds. Go figure.


depends on the sec rating of the system. *shouldnt* be possible in 1.0 space, for example. hed only get one volley off....so unless he one shots you, concord should take care of the rest.

John Blackthrone
Caldari
Fnord Works
Posted - 2007.12.20 11:00:00 - [42]
 

The best ship is something really small like a ceptor, if I have another bunch of rigs for sale I always take a small ship which warps in 1 sec. no time for scanning and your save

Alarna
Caldari
Inverted Awareness
Posted - 2007.12.20 11:11:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Alarna on 20/12/2007 11:12:43
Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn


the reason we bothered should be obvious.

*PS*

Also, please note the large shield extender that was fitted.


Yeh, I'd have killed him for that too Twisted Evil

Plutoinum
Mercenaries of Andosia
Veritas Immortalis
Posted - 2007.12.20 12:59:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Rhatar Khurin
Just carry all the expensive stuff in secure containers in your hold. No point for anyone to gank you then.

1) collect container
2) repackage, if passworded
3) be happy
Or do I miss something ?

Tivookz
Caldari
Long Dong Corp
Intergalactic Exports Group
Posted - 2007.12.20 14:30:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: Tivookz on 20/12/2007 14:31:28
Originally by: Plutoinum
Originally by: Rhatar Khurin
Just carry all the expensive stuff in secure containers in your hold. No point for anyone to gank you then.

1) collect container
2) repackage, if passworded
3) be happy
Or do I miss something ?


Yea you are missing one thing: There could be anything inside those cans.

So basically, it could just as well be some noob hauling tritanium to Jita and I don't think your BS is worth losing to take that rather huge chance considering that secure can hauling is pretty common to increase cargo space.

Tiv

Admiral Pelleon
White Shadow Imperium
Posted - 2007.12.20 14:35:00 - [46]
 

You can scan through cans. Unless the 6 man suicide gang that tried to take my battle badger just assumed I was carrying 3 mobile labs.

Feta Solamnia
Posted - 2007.12.20 14:37:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: James Lyrus
And sadly T2 BPCs are now common from invention and don't make good bait.

But I know (of) someone who pre-invention used to do exactly that with T2 BPCs in a faction tanked iteron 5.


Yeah, ntt with the draclira-fitted itty 5.

That was an insane fit Laughing

Gaven Blands
Caldari
Cosmic Fusion
Systematic-Chaos
Posted - 2007.12.20 14:38:00 - [48]
 

Perhaps the best training regarding suicide hits you need is simply to try it.

When you figure out exactly the level of insane detail you need to go to, you will learn what is the ***** in the gankers armor. It's really so simple to avoid it's too stupid for words to describe.

Sitting around for endless hours waiting for the exact right set of circumstances that allow a gank to occur is the balance you so anxiously want. It is balanced against the people who demonstrate the extreme and required level of stupidity and how rare they in fact are.

CCP's endless upgrades to CONCORD despite the difficulty of a successful gank only demonstrate how keen they are to make highsec into Green Space, and they should be pitied for their attitude.

Xaen
Caldari
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2007.12.20 14:54:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Professor Sprocket
For high sec runs in and out of jita with valuable cargo. Would it be ignored as a target or would folks try? And what type of adversary would it take to gank one before getting concorded?
Not terribly.

I was using a Thorax and basically broke my teeth on a Transport. I don't even try transports from a Thorax anymore.

Might be a different story with a megathron or a full gang.

Admiral Nova
Strike Team Nova
Posted - 2007.12.20 16:31:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Tivookz
Yea you are missing one thing: There could be anything inside those cans.


About 18-24 months ago, scanners were changed, they now see all the items inside the cans, not just the cans when scanning your cargo. So, no, you can't hide stuff in cans, it's still visible.

Naruto Hunter
Euphoria Released
Posted - 2007.12.20 18:33:00 - [51]
 

Deepspace transport are the number one target for suicide gankings imho. A bustard might be able to tank one t2 fitted armageddon if shield tanked (with a shield booster) and you are not afk running. I doubt anything will survive though if you are ganked by two t2 fitted armageddons (maybe a mastodon, due to its good resists vs amarr).

Cargo can be scanned even if in secure containers, so you are not safe in that way. Best thing to do is use a blockade runner, fit a nano and an i-stab and you can warp like a ceptor. If they can't scan you, they won't gank you. (Scanning requires about 1 sec to lock and a bit more than 2 seconds for scanning to complete, the latter with the best scanner and survey to level 5).

Also, keep in mind, its not only afk pilots that are valid targets. Out of everyone I've ganked, 10% were actually afk pilots. The rest were pretty much on their keyboards.

P.S. I've only tried ganking with an Armageddon, dont know if the other ships are any good. Feel free to correct me if you have done it in another ship (I do not mean with a t1 fitted brutix ganking a t1 hauler). FYI, I manage to get 1000 dps with t2 megapulse, sentry drones and overload.

Dred'Pirate Jesus
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2007.12.20 20:49:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Naruto Hunter
P.S. I've only tried ganking with an Armageddon, dont know if the other ships are any good. Feel free to correct me if you have done it in another ship (I do not mean with a t1 fitted brutix ganking a t1 hauler). FYI, I manage to get 1000 dps with t2 megapulse, sentry drones and overload.


And what happens to that 1000dps when it hits 80%+ resists? That low sec gate camp that I mentioned earlier had 3 geddons and an astarte in it all gank fitted with T2 and yet I got away with 2/3 shield.. On a Mammoth no less.. So the point is that if you put even the most basic of tank on your indy and don't carry around a hold full of officer gear your pretty much safe from being suicided unless of course they just want to kill you at any price..

Kao Lei
Posted - 2007.12.20 23:56:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Tivookz
Originally by: Rhatar Khurin

1) collect container
2) repackage, if passworded
3) be happy
Or do I miss something ?


Yea you are missing one thing: There could be anything inside those cans.

So basically, it could just as well be some noob hauling tritanium to Jita and I don't think your BS is worth losing to take that rather huge chance considering that secure can hauling is pretty common to increase cargo space.

Tiv


Try the following:
* assemble a container, any kind
* put something in it that's cheap
* repackage the container
* see what happens

Lynnae Suriyawong
Caldari
Circle of Steel Inc.
Posted - 2007.12.21 06:07:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn


This was AFTER trinity. But i do stand corrected. It was 14 destroyers, and 1 t1 frig. 1 ship had popped when the occator when boom.

occator sweetness

the reason we bothered should be obvious.



I'm a bit of a noob, so can you explain what the obvious part is, please?

Thanks!

F'nog
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2007.12.21 06:11:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Lynnae Suriyawong
Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn


This was AFTER trinity. But i do stand corrected. It was 14 destroyers, and 1 t1 frig. 1 ship had popped when the occator when boom.

occator sweetness

the reason we bothered should be obvious.



I'm a bit of a noob, so can you explain what the obvious part is, please?

Thanks!


Lots of expensive faction ammo.

Brantoc
PURE Legion
Posted - 2007.12.23 02:16:00 - [56]
 

Edited by: Brantoc on 23/12/2007 02:21:10
Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn
Edited by: Emperor D''Hoffryn on 20/12/2007 10:47:26
Edited by: Emperor D''Hoffryn on 20/12/2007 10:45:45
Originally by: Pilk
Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn
unless you had hps via extenders or whatever, you are not all that hard.

I onced suicided an afk occator in 0.7 with only 10 base t1 fitted destroyers, mostly thrashers with arties.

the occator popped before concord popped the first destroyer.

CONCORD works differently these days.

--P


This was AFTER trinity. But i do stand corrected. It was 14 destroyers, and 1 t1 frig. 1 ship had popped when the occator when boom.

occator sweetness

the reason we bothered should be obvious.

*PS*

Also, please note the large shield extender that was fitted.


Yea, was one of my Empire alts, taking stuff down for the war against BoB. War is only about 70 jumps from home base, so takes a bit to get it down there. Left it AFK Auto pilot in empire when I went to work. Now I know better.

Got a little lucky the Polys dropped, otherwise you would have gotten crap :).

Basically the reasoning behind the gank is valid. 15 Destroyers (especially Minmatar with T2 280's and in this case most were T2 fitted) can do easily 20-30k damage, and Transports can't withstand that much damage.

CCP should either let them get ganked or add more mid slots to allow for stronger tanks, or improve the already impressive natural tank.

Even tho I lost this time, I say CCP - Leave well enough alone. Losing a ship is part of the game. Anyone not willing to lose a ship should go play Guildwars or something. I mean it.

Gamer4liff
Caldari
Metalworks
Majesta Empire
Posted - 2007.12.23 02:35:00 - [57]
 

As a bustard salesmen I say they can tank god himself.

Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2007.12.23 03:04:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Brantoc
Basically the reasoning behind the gank is valid. 15 Destroyers (especially Minmatar with T2 280's and in this case most were T2 fitted) can do easily 20-30k damage, and Transports can't withstand that much damage.

_Your_ transport couldn't stand that... Just look at the fitting you used. Large shield extender I and a 10MN AB I, and no armor tank. You popped after 11k damage, and assume therefor that a transport can't handle 30k damage?

It wasn't the prowess of the gankers that killed your ship, it was you yourself. And those people who're suggesting adding shield boosters to empire transports; not only does it suck compared to an additional LSE or res, it also assumes you're not going to be AFK while hauling those billions worth of junk.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2007.12.23 03:05:00 - [59]
 

That Occator fitting there hurts my "empire antigank" AFK tanking glands or something like that.
Especially THIS part : "Damage Taken: 11522".
I mean COME ON, less than 12k raw HP, what the hell ? (estimated effective probably around 20k or so).

If you want to go AFK, rule number one, NO CARGO EXPANDERS, use lows for tank.
Rule number two, no active mods (AB has to go the way of the Dodo).
Rule number three, tank up the wazzoo for effective HP, not recharge/repair/whatever (pointless if you're AFK).

As for the Bustard ?
A proper "AFK" Bustard tank has roughly 25k raw HP to begin with, and against EM (lowest resist) aprox 45k effective HP at maxskills (or over 60k against "even damage type distribution").
The fact it only has the base 6875 m^3 of cargo is just another incentive to NOT put too many "valuables" in there for one such AFK run.

If you want to be "at the keyboard", there's no substitute for a blockade runner... I mean, seriously, align&warp in roughly 3 seconds and a +2 WCS built-in, with decent HP buffer... what the hell can beat that for safe solo transport ?

Jurgen Cartis
Caldari
Interstellar Corporation of Exploration
Posted - 2007.12.23 05:03:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Rhatar Khurin
Just carry all the expensive stuff in secure containers in your hold. No point for anyone to gank you then.


Thank you for getting it all together into a nice, easily scoopable package!

I used to hunt through belts months ago, hunting not for rats but for unanchored cans. 300k or so per can was good money as a newbie, much better than L1 missions were paying.


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