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ZerKar
Caldari
Zen'Tar
Posted - 2007.12.18 19:18:00 - [1]
 

I know a good Pilot in a weak Gallente Cruiser could probably Solo LvL 4's in their sleep but as for the rest of us I am wondering just how bad these things really are. Obviously, some of the missions are going to be worse than others which is normal by now. I am to understand you run into more intercepters, how frequenlty and how hard are they to kill really? How many BS's do you generally run into and how badly do they bite back? I am mostly wondering if these Missions can be done in a non-factioned Hurricane with some Tanking Assist from a Drake or if they would be suicide due to their BS level Damage (though nerfed compared to PC's obviously) and Intercepter Tacklers.

Pang Grohl
Posted - 2007.12.18 19:58:00 - [2]
 

A well tanked tier 2 BC can survive level 4 missions once the interceptors are downed. The number of BS varies from 2 to 20, come in one group, triggered waves, or behind acceleration gates. You also have DD through BC class NPCs, including elite varieties.
All in all the BS are not the opponent that tend to overwhelm tanks, its the hordes of smaller ships with their more consistent damage stream.

Sparkius
Amarr
Posted - 2007.12.18 20:41:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Sparkius on 18/12/2007 20:42:18
Use a battleship to do level 4 missions. Pretty much any battleship can be set up to do any level 4, but Caldari can run level 4s in a Raven with not that high an investment in skill points. Both the Missions & Exploration and the Ships & Modules forums have countless setups for the Raven. I'm sure there are plenty of Hurricane fits as well. Make sure you download EFT to test the fits with your skills before you invest the ISK.

Don't bother doing level 4 missions in anything lesser. It's either been done or tried, and what it comes down to is damage output, not damage absorption. There may be better tanks on ships smaller than battleships (speed tanks, the Drake, etc) but no ship short of a battleship can field large weapon turrets.

EDIT: With knowledge of spawn and aggro triggers, there are no level 4 missions that require the assistance of a second ship.


Onezen
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2007.12.18 21:44:00 - [4]
 

Been running lvl 4's in a T2 equipped Dom. for awhile now.

I agree with the first 2 people to reply. Use a BS definately. Do the mission research and read the mission brief so that you know what type of active resists to install. And I agree, there are no lvl 4's that a properly equipped BS can't solo, as long as you read the brief and fit your ship accordingly. Use the right resists and fit the proper drones to do the specific damage type the rats are susceptable too and the mission brief states.

The site I use is here.

Watch your cap. Watch your shields/armor and apply reppers as needed. Have good drone discipline. Kill any warp scrambling rats first.

My fit:

Highs: 4 T2 250mm rails with faction ammo (anti-matter for close up, lead for med. ranges and Spike for long distance), Drone Link Aug., plus a heavy Knave NOS just in case I need to suck some power from a close rat to make an emergency escape. Haven't had to yet so will probably fit a 5th gun.

Mids: 4 Cap recharger II's, T2 AB.

Lows: 4 active N-type resists, 2 each of the 2 types of specific damage the mission brief calls out, e.g.--2 kinetic and 2 thermal, or 2 explosive and 2 EM. T2 DCU, 2 large T2 armor reppers.

Drones: mission rat damage specific 10 each med's and larges. drone skils are such that my T2 meds (hammerheads) take care of the interceptors with little or no problems. If the mission states that there are a lot of interceptors I may fit T2 lights (Warriors).

And lastly, have an escape plan in mind. If things are getting dicey, align to a warp out point and fly towards it and away from the rats to minimize the damage you are receiving.

Good luck!

flaming phantom
Minmatar
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
Posted - 2007.12.19 05:11:00 - [5]
 

i do my lvl 4s in a raven, solo for the most part

but if i want to i use my alt on a typhoon with 3 shield transporters and have him continually rep my raven, which makes it super easy tank wise

Miss Miata
Posted - 2007.12.19 06:57:00 - [6]
 

well the op said he had help from a drak which changes things imo.

if the drake is passive tanked well ie 3 rigs and a rack of spr`s then l4`s are very doable.

work as a team, let the drake enter 1st and grab the aggro, once he has aggro from the rats the hurricane can enter and deliver projectile death.

my friend and i ran every l4 in this manner, good luck.

ZerKar
Caldari
Zen'Tar
Posted - 2007.12.19 07:55:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Miss Miata
well the op said he had help from a drak which changes things imo.

if the drake is passive tanked well ie 3 rigs and a rack of spr`s then l4`s are very doable.

work as a team, let the drake enter 1st and grab the aggro, once he has aggro from the rats the hurricane can enter and deliver projectile death.

my friend and i ran every l4 in this manner, good luck.


I see. My Mate does not run Rigs but nonetheless her Tank is rather impressive (She does have a fair bit of skillage to back it up on the other hand) so I THINK She may be able to Tank it.

Let me ask about the DPS in a slightly different way then. You probably know what Blockade from LvL III is like, on occasion my Partner has to leave that Mission just once and return to be safe from being killed but not always if I can stay in it and pop the BC's. So How much worse is the Damage from the general crowd at LvL IV? Is it generally like that or less?

Also, about how many Inties are there and how hard is it for Tech II Light Drones to whipe them up?

I know of course these missions will be much easier once I know what to expect from them, but I do so hate to loose expensive investments for nothing.

ZerKar
Caldari
Zen'Tar
Posted - 2007.12.19 08:03:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Sparkius
Edited by: Sparkius on 18/12/2007 20:42:18
Use a battleship to do level 4 missions. Pretty much any battleship can be set up to do any level 4, but Caldari can run level 4s in a Raven with not that high an investment in skill points. Both the Missions & Exploration and the Ships & Modules forums have countless setups for the Raven. I'm sure there are plenty of Hurricane fits as well. Make sure you download EFT to test the fits with your skills before you invest the ISK.

Don't bother doing level 4 missions in anything lesser. It's either been done or tried, and what it comes down to is damage output, not damage absorption. There may be better tanks on ships smaller than battleships (speed tanks, the Drake, etc) but no ship short of a battleship can field large weapon turrets.

EDIT: With knowledge of spawn and aggro triggers, there are no level 4 missions that require the assistance of a second ship.


Damage should not be too much of an issue. Between me, my Drake Friend, and Possibly another Hurricane if I need his Assist we can dish out some Serious DPS we just need to make sure that our "Bait" stays alive Very Happy.

I do not really use any programs to test fits, but then between me and my mate I can run the numbers myself. (Yeah I know, makes your head hurt right? She is a math wiz lol) I am pretty good at seeing what Modules do what myself so we make a good pair that way.

I could never stand to fly a Caldari Missile Scow. I know people love them, but I hate them. I am a gun person, love the big meaty sound of cannons and cannot stand to wait 5 years for my munitions to hit a target. Besides, Caldari ships on the whole are junk, slow, weak, low DPS, with nearly no Drones...I like the "Personality" of the Caldari which is why I choose them as my race, but if I had known in advance how much of a laugh track their Ships should come with I would have prooobably done myself a favor and avoided them. However, convincing my partner that Missiles are boring is not so easy so I am stuck with a Drake as a buddy anyway lol, use it if you got it I guess. Rolling Eyes

Thank you very much for the numbers though, that can come in real handy to know ahead of time. I think what I may do is actually grab my Maelstrom and go see what these Missions pack away and then go back to the Cane for the thrill and excitement (gets boring if the Missions are a snooz. LvL III's in a Frigat FTW! (LOL))

Vladimir Ilych
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2007.12.19 10:10:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Vladimir Ilych on 19/12/2007 10:12:17

As you are Caldari I imagine you will be going the Raven route. As the other pilots said use a BS.

*edit* A Rokh then ;-)

I use a Typhoon with the following. Looks a bit like the Domi setup mentioned already in the lows and mids.

x4 'Scout' 800mm ACs x4 'Arbalest' Cruise.
x3 T2 cap rechargers, T2 100MN AB
x1 T2 Damage control, x4 N-Type armour hardners (whatever type you need), x1 1600mm Reinforced rolled tungsten plate, x1 T2 LAR.

5 heavy drones & 5 medium drones. It is rigged as well for a bigger cap, faster cap recharge and faster drones.

Falkrich Swifthand
Caldari
eNinjas Incorporated
Posted - 2007.12.19 11:22:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Falkrich Swifthand on 19/12/2007 11:55:10
I've yet to try my Rohk in a Lvl4, but my Ferox did surprisingly well.

I was normally running Lvl 4s with me in my Rail Ferox and my mate in his Heavy Missile Drake.

Though with the Ferox, with it not being a completely dedicated rail-boat you do need a few days/weeks in missile skills or you severely gimp your dps. I was using 5x named 250mm railguns for further away targets (Uranium or Tungsten ammo depending on just how far away) and 2x Assault Launchers and 5x Light Drones for close targets (typically webbing/scrambling frigates) that my rails couldn't hit. Against anything with a powerful tank (Battleships), I'd get into position to fire everything at them. If necessary I'd call in my mate, then with me more than holding the BS's tank at bay every missile my mate fired was effectively pure damage...

L0st S0ul
Caldari
Posted - 2007.12.19 15:19:00 - [11]
 

I solo some of the lvl4 missions in my Raven, but as I don't have high skills I do require help on some.

My drake can also solo some lvl 4's but not all.

I'd like to see a good pilot in a cruiser do level 4's easily. Especially a mission I did other night where there were waves coming in every 5 mins and you had a mix of frigs, BS's and BC's to take out.

Interceptors are easy to kill as NPC's don't use them properly, just lock your missiles on them and send the drones in too.

On average I run into 4 - 6 battleships but have faced as many as 10 + battlecruisers. If you use T2 gear you should be able to tank them easy enough.

I think you could do most lvl4's with a T2 equiped Hurricane and Drake. I started doing them in a T2 Drake solo as BS's can bounty as high 1.2mill.

Barashi Nugan
Gallente
Zero Point Group
Posted - 2007.12.19 15:34:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: ZerKar


I could never stand to fly a Caldari Missile Scow. I know people love them, but I hate them. I am a gun person, love the big meaty sound of cannons and cannot stand to wait 5 years for my munitions to hit a target. Besides, Caldari ships on the whole are junk, slow, weak, low DPS, with nearly no Drones...I like the "Personality" of the Caldari which is why I choose them as my race, but if I had known in advance how much of a laugh track their Ships should come with I would have prooobably done myself a favor and avoided them. However, convincing my partner that Missiles are boring is not so easy so I am stuck with a Drake as a buddy anyway lol, use it if you got it I guess. Rolling Eyes



Yes, the Raven and Drake are horrible ships, especially for mission running. That's why 9/10 hardcore mission runners use the Raven (vanilla or CNR) or the Drake if they can't yet fly/afford a Raven.

And with the recent torp change, Raven's *really* suck now at putting out dps. CCP should just delete them from the game.

On top of that, the Raven can only hold and deploy a full 5 medium drones, and have 5 light drones in the bay as well. Pffft. Useless. Right? Rolling Eyes

You can poke at the Raven/Drake mission runners as being unoriginal, but certainly not for being effective and efficent at what they do.

P.S. You shouldn't have too much trouble from most lvl 4's if you read up on the missions first and are careful about aggro. If you arn't careful and aggro a room with 12 BS's, 10 BC's, and 15 frigs/destroyers, you're going to be in trouble.

The drake will want to be your tank, as it will be tough as nails with the proper fit and skills. If your friend is planning on keeping that drake for awhile, look into some rigs. They arn't *too* expensive for the shield ones, and will make it a beast of a tank.

L0st S0ul
Caldari
Posted - 2007.12.19 16:35:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: L0st S0ul on 19/12/2007 16:35:09
Yep, exactly.

3 x Core Defence field purger rigs are a drakes best friend.

I also use this as my main source of info

http://eve-survival.org/missions/

Minerva Vulcan
Caldari
Ctrl Alt Elites
Posted - 2007.12.19 16:37:00 - [14]
 

Once you learn how to do them right they're easy as pie.

And pie's pretty easy.

Traumatica
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.12.19 19:34:00 - [15]
 

As said before, aggro management is the key. Few missions will initially throw enough DPS at you to cause trouble, but one errant drone attacking the wrong frigate and you'll find yourself neck deep in NPCs.

ZerKar
Caldari
Zen'Tar
Posted - 2007.12.21 10:53:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Traumatica
As said before, aggro management is the key. Few missions will initially throw enough DPS at you to cause trouble, but one errant drone attacking the wrong frigate and you'll find yourself neck deep in NPCs.


LOL! Yes, I have done that before that was funny. I had a Hornet II accidently smack some poor Moa and suddenly I had 20 Cruisers and a Cloud of Frigates angry at me. I kicked their butts but it was a bit freaky when they webbed me and ALL started coming my way. Sort of like "Um...I'm backing away now, no offense really."

Thank you all for your information. I found it very useful and I am going to scout these out in my Maelstrom (yeah I wanted a Real BS not a Raven Thank you very much) with my Drake Partner (mostly so She can find out how well her Tank holds) then I will probably just go it Shield and Sword Style as usual with the Drake and Cane (at least they look great together that way, the Drake LOOKS like a shield if you imagine it verticle).


 

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