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Althair Erin
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.12.19 00:18:00 - [121]
 

Your messages of support and appreciation are all very warmly received, but even more than that I would like your suggestions. We need concrete ideas. Hugs are good- but we have plenty right now. Let's generate some more ways to engage, motivate or otherwise involve the playerbase in making EVE better.

Don't be afraid to post, new pilots! I'm one of you.

Let me advance another idea, because even though I'm afraid of dominating the discussion I think this is important enough for a mention:

What about an EVE version of the pay-it-forward concept? If we performed random acts of kindness and giving instead of random destruction, I think it would spread throughout the galaxy. This is my inspiration:

Pay it Forward

Imagine how confusion might turn to joy when someone you randomly convod realized you weren't trying to mess with them- you'd just contracted them a shiny new named afterburner, or frigate, just because you believe in the principle of improving the quality of play/life for everyone.

Remember this is a discussion so go ahead and comment freely.


Scythestius
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.19 01:20:00 - [122]
 

I have decided to dedicate my next couple of days in Eve to a great cause: I will be flying a RR BS through various areas of 0.0 space, repping ratters in belts so that they may make isk to fund their dreams. Friend, foe, it doesn't matter. This is the most joyous time of the year and a perfect opportunity to give back to my fellow spaceship pilots so that the next time they need to buy a fancy module they can think back and say "Hey, I made this Isk when that kind fellow saved me from near-doom with his full rack of reps!"

Happy holidays to you all, however you may celebrate this season!

Jhyme
Amarr
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.19 01:24:00 - [123]
 

I disagree with the OP. Part of the fun in PvP warfare is cultivating a "healthy" hatred for your opponent. This makes any sense of victory more enjoyable. However, keep in mind that hatred doesn't necessarily have to be mutually exclusive with respect.

Best,
Jhyme

Ungdall
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.19 03:44:00 - [124]
 

Edited by: Ungdall on 19/12/2007 03:59:51
"No man is so high, that he may judge those he sees below"~Unknown

With that said, I think it's time for a little civility on not only the forums, but in the actual game. A bit of friendly back and forth is alright, but to follow up with repeated convos and evemails is too much. Simply because you are at odds with another person, due to play style, choice of playmates or even simply your preferred ship fitting, you should not harass others who play the game.

We all play this game as a means to escape our laser/missile/autocannon/blaster/railgun-less lives and we all want to relax, but how can anyone relax with so much hostility? Forget the repeated memes and taunting phrases. Leave past insults, threats ands accusations to lie in the dust of the past where such things belong.

All I'm asking is for a measure of humanity in a vacuum. Be friends, relax, chat over the now free eve-voice of whateveritiscalled. Enjoy yourself, and help others enjoy their free time. We all pay to be here, so we all have the right to be free from petty bickering.

This thread is in earnest, so I hope it does not descend into trolling and the like, I would not like to see it be *click*ed.

My thread was locked as a duplicate, so I hope this one remains alive and well, just like EVE.

Ungdall
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.19 04:43:00 - [125]
 

Originally by: Major Donkage
Originally by: Ungdall
Edited by: Ungdall on 19/12/2007 04:33:47
edit; wrong thread


look how stupid u r


"A fool who learns from his doings wrong, stays not a fool for very long"~Unknown. I'll learn from this mistake, just as goons have learned from their mistakes. You see we have repented our rude, gnashing ways. EVE is a much funner pace when we fight for love, not hate.

Althair Erin
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.12.19 04:43:00 - [126]
 

These are all valuable concepts- a shared respect for each other and a willingness to phrase our feelings in a manner that raises the general level of discourse above trolling and alt-posting.

I really appreciate that goons are willing to extend courtesy to each other and other players. In keeping with the tone of this thread, I would like to ask you guys to refrain from posting unless you have an idea to contribute or comment on. I'll give an example:

I think it would be valuable to hold a tour of part of our space- invite members of other alliances to show them something we feel particularly proud about. A station we constructed with minerals we mined with painstaking effort, or a POS we feel particularly proud of the specific choice of fittings. Many people may have never seen a POS before- this would be a good opportunity to introduce them to the idea in a safe area policed by our alliance.

In parting, UneFraise- would you please stop making such intensely negative comments that do nothing to contribute to this thread.

Althair Erin
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.12.19 05:14:00 - [127]
 

Please stay on-topic. This is a serious topic, and even though your posts are welcome to involve a light-hearted element we need to preserve our purpose if we want this discussion to continue.

Expanding on my previous post wherein I suggested that guided tours of our space may offer a unique opportunity to others, I would like to hear from other alliances and corporations about what sort of unique experiences they might be willing to offer. If we could set up a variety of mutually interacting programs, we might be able to foster greater inter-alliance communication, which has always been the goal of this thread.

Let's take for example the concept of fostering children with your allies, or even your enemies. What if we did a pilot exchange program, so that we could learn more about the ways in which our friends and opponents operated? Of course some security measures would need to be taken, but I think this is an incredible concept, and the only thing that's needed to put it into reality is your participation. Can you see how much fun this would be? Additionally, the amount of cultural information the 'fostered' pilot would bring back would help all alliances to understand each other better.

Dafuzz
Gallente
Evolution
The Initiative.
Posted - 2007.12.19 05:35:00 - [128]
 

Originally by: Althair Erin
Please stay on-topic. This is a serious topic, and even though your posts are welcome to involve a light-hearted element we need to preserve our purpose if we want this discussion to continue.

Expanding on my previous post wherein I suggested that guided tours of our space may offer a unique opportunity to others, I would like to hear from other alliances and corporations about what sort of unique experiences they might be willing to offer. If we could set up a variety of mutually interacting programs, we might be able to foster greater inter-alliance communication, which has always been the goal of this thread.

Let's take for example the concept of fostering children with your allies, or even your enemies. What if we did a pilot exchange program, so that we could learn more about the ways in which our friends and opponents operated? Of course some security measures would need to be taken, but I think this is an incredible concept, and the only thing that's needed to put it into reality is your participation. Can you see how much fun this would be? Additionally, the amount of cultural information the 'fostered' pilot would bring back would help all alliances to understand each other better.


Instead of fostering children, which leaves out certain elements crucial to space-faring fun, can we not **** pillage and loot, sowing our seeds randomly and impregnating the enemy females instead?

Tell Mittens you most definitely win the contest.

So sayeth Dafuzz, appointer of Two Beans for CAOD King and Frank Frank his Court Jester.

Frank and Beans 2008

ISD Santiago Cortes


Caldari
ISD Interstellar Correspondents
Posted - 2007.12.19 06:55:00 - [129]
 

*Cleaned*

Let us try and keep this most enlightening of threads open so the rest of our brethren may rejoice in its glow.

SpaceHonorNinjabot9000
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.19 07:01:00 - [130]
 

Originally by: ISD Santiago Cortes
*Cleaned*

Let us try and keep this most enlightening of threads open so the rest of our brethren may rejoice in its glow.


I want to wish you the most happiest of holidays kind sir. May the light of the lord shine down upon you and rain down blessings of bounty unto thee.

In God we trust,
SHNB

Althair Erin
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.12.19 07:11:00 - [131]
 

Originally by: Jhyme
I disagree with the OP. Part of the fun in PvP warfare is cultivating a "healthy" hatred for your opponent. This makes any sense of victory more enjoyable. However, keep in mind that hatred doesn't necessarily have to be mutually exclusive with respect.

Best,
Jhyme


I held off on addressing this question for a while, because the issue is a really huge one- maybe the most important for us to try and grapple with inside the discussion we've framed so far. How do we reconcile the fact that a healthy feeling of competition is important, while keeping in mind the need to be fair and kind to our opponents?

I don't know if hatred is the right word to use here. For my part, I'll stick with 'competitiveness' until a better term appears. I'm not sure if hatred can play a constructive role.

I'm glad you point out that we can be opposing each other and still experience respectful feelings. It's exactly that sentiment that's inspired a lot of my ideas so far- like protected tours of the wonders of 0.0 space (I'd go on one), and pilot 'fostering' programs.

EVE is a cultural experience- have we reflected on that enough? The players come from many different countries, speaking many different languages, and everything is filtered through a world of spaceships and lasers. It's a totally unique opportunity. You can say "I didn't just get an experience of making a German/Russian/British/Chinese/Indian/etc friend, I got to experience making an international friend in space!"

Jhyme, and everyone- what do you feel the most effective techniques are for creating an EVE where we experience respect for each other even during competition?

Jhyme
Amarr
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.19 07:31:00 - [132]
 

Originally by: Althair Erin
Originally by: Jhyme
I disagree with the OP. Part of the fun in PvP warfare is cultivating a "healthy" hatred for your opponent. This makes any sense of victory more enjoyable. However, keep in mind that hatred doesn't necessarily have to be mutually exclusive with respect.

Best,
Jhyme


I held off on addressing this question for a while, because the issue is a really huge one- maybe the most important for us to try and grapple with inside the discussion we've framed so far. How do we reconcile the fact that a healthy feeling of competition is important, while keeping in mind the need to be fair and kind to our opponents?

I don't know if hatred is the right word to use here. For my part, I'll stick with 'competitiveness' until a better term appears. I'm not sure if hatred can play a constructive role.

I'm glad you point out that we can be opposing each other and still experience respectful feelings. It's exactly that sentiment that's inspired a lot of my ideas so far- like protected tours of the wonders of 0.0 space (I'd go on one), and pilot 'fostering' programs.

EVE is a cultural experience- have we reflected on that enough? The players come from many different countries, speaking many different languages, and everything is filtered through a world of spaceships and lasers. It's a totally unique opportunity. You can say "I didn't just get an experience of making a German/Russian/British/Chinese/Indian/etc friend, I got to experience making an international friend in space!"

Jhyme, and everyone- what do you feel the most effective techniques are for creating an EVE where we experience respect for each other even during competition?


I think the answer lies in how you interpret "smacktalking". In some professional sports, such as wrestling/boxing, smacktalking is an institutionally sanctioned event. The telecasters show snippets of the wrestlers/boxers talking trash to one another before fights. This effectively raises the stakes in the wrestling/boxing match-up, and makes the upcoming fight more entertaining. Sports teams, whether it's professional or college sports, has a set of fans that also engage in variations of smacking.

Now compare this to politics. Smacking here often involves mud-slinging and personal attacks. Propaganda isn't aimed at trying to raise the stakes on a particular outcome, but to cut down the opponent independent of whatever outcome occurs.

EVE has both. Over time, some alliances have developed the norm that smacking is negative, and consider a smack-free fight an honorable fight. However, I posit that smacking can be respectful as long as it's non-personal, and kept in the spirit of professional sports-- where there are no politics. Whoever loses the outcome should accept defeat and humiliation. This is a system that promotes competition, as the stakes are raised by smacking. Respect isn't necessarily something that is earned before the fight, it is a relationship between the winner and loser afterwards. If political-oriented or personal propaganda tries to mitigate the roles of winner and loser, creating win-win or lose-lose situations, there can be no respect.

tl;dr : Politics is the culprit.

Major Donkage
Minmatar
Pyre of Gods
Posted - 2007.12.19 07:35:00 - [133]
 

Originally by: Jhyme
Originally by: Althair Erin
Originally by: Jhyme
I disagree with the OP. Part of the fun in PvP warfare is cultivating a "healthy" hatred for your opponent. This makes any sense of victory more enjoyable. However, keep in mind that hatred doesn't necessarily have to be mutually exclusive with respect.

Best,
Jhyme


I held off on addressing this question for a while, because the issue is a really huge one- maybe the most important for us to try and grapple with inside the discussion we've framed so far. How do we reconcile the fact that a healthy feeling of competition is important, while keeping in mind the need to be fair and kind to our opponents?

I don't know if hatred is the right word to use here. For my part, I'll stick with 'competitiveness' until a better term appears. I'm not sure if hatred can play a constructive role.

I'm glad you point out that we can be opposing each other and still experience respectful feelings. It's exactly that sentiment that's inspired a lot of my ideas so far- like protected tours of the wonders of 0.0 space (I'd go on one), and pilot 'fostering' programs.

EVE is a cultural experience- have we reflected on that enough? The players come from many different countries, speaking many different languages, and everything is filtered through a world of spaceships and lasers. It's a totally unique opportunity. You can say "I didn't just get an experience of making a German/Russian/British/Chinese/Indian/etc friend, I got to experience making an international friend in space!"

Jhyme, and everyone- what do you feel the most effective techniques are for creating an EVE where we experience respect for each other even during competition?


I think the answer lies in how you interpret "smacktalking". In some professional sports, such as wrestling/boxing, smacktalking is an institutionally sanctioned event. The telecasters show snippets of the wrestlers/boxers talking trash to one another before fights. This effectively raises the stakes in the wrestling/boxing match-up, and makes the upcoming fight more entertaining. Sports teams, whether it's professional or college sports, has a set of fans that also engage in variations of smacking.

Now compare this to politics. Smacking here often involves mud-slinging and personal attacks. Propaganda isn't aimed at trying to raise the stakes on a particular outcome, but to cut down the opponent independent of whatever outcome occurs.

EVE has both. Over time, some alliances have developed the norm that smacking is negative, and consider a smack-free fight an honorable fight. However, I posit that smacking can be respectful as long as it's non-personal, and kept in the spirit of professional sports-- where there are no politics. Whoever loses the outcome should accept defeat and humiliation. This is a system that promotes competition, as the stakes are raised by smacking. Respect isn't necessarily something that is earned before the fight, it is a relationship between the winner and loser afterwards. If political-oriented or personal propaganda tries to mitigate the roles of winner and loser, creating win-win or lose-lose situations, there can be no respect.

tl;dr : Politics is the culprit.


/signed

128th ABC123
Caldari
Lucky Clover Investments
Posted - 2007.12.19 09:44:00 - [134]
 

Pay it forward sucked serious @ss....

Rhatar Khurin
Minmatar
Dead poets society
The Laughing Men
Posted - 2007.12.19 09:47:00 - [135]
 

"Maybe next time you find yourself hovering over the wreck of your enemy, you might try convoing them instead of podding. Who knows, you might make a new friend."

Well, i've never attacked another player ever and have only fought out of self defence.

Unfortunately everyone else in the galaxy seems to be massively paranoid. For shame.

Dionisius
Gallente
the muppets
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2007.12.19 10:41:00 - [136]
 

Originally by: Rhatar Khurin
"Maybe next time you find yourself hovering over the wreck of your enemy, you might try convoing them instead of podding. Who knows, you might make a new friend."

Well, i've never attacked another player ever and have only fought out of self defence.

Unfortunately everyone else in the galaxy seems to be massively paranoid. For shame.



Well peeps may be a little paranoid... still that doesn't meen that people aren't out there to get you.

Besides what friends?Last time i was in 0.0 ratting i left another guy ratting and he chose to come after me and atack, so i generously blasted him to oblivion.

One of my alts was rattin in low sec and some "anti pirate" youngster proceeded to kill him to for no aparent reason, a character with less than 3 months at the time, what was the point in both actions?

One guy lost a elite cruiser and my alt a friggie that he bought right after and i proceeded to pop the fine gentleman in form of retribution, so add a bc to the killing.

The op and his alliance are hipocrits, and everyone that adverstises "love and peace" for that matter, as i witnessed countless times people , even the most carebear of the players, will proceed in shooting someone if they think they can do it and get away with it.

I prefer shooting everyone, gunpoint diplomacy, less talking more acting thats the only language people understand, no bs, no hipocrisy and its damn straight to the point.YARRRR!!

Arvo Henderson
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2007.12.19 11:00:00 - [137]
 

@OP: You're right, all this hatred going on is sickening. Nowadays you will be hard pressed not of find a thread where someone claims "hey, this are just a bunch of pixels, RL > intarweb pixel spaceship".

Not that all this bad blood is here for nothing. People feel betrayed, abused and what not. And sometimes rightly so... because if you want rule this game you must be the most ruthless bastard around . This is - by design - a feature of Eve, CCP wanted the Eve world to be harsh, cruel place. But this got out of hand quite a long time ago.

Dionisius
Gallente
the muppets
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2007.12.19 11:13:00 - [138]
 

Originally by: Arvo Henderson
@OP: You're right, all this hatred going on is sickening. Nowadays you will be hard pressed not of find a thread where someone claims "hey, this are just a bunch of pixels, RL > intarweb pixel spaceship".

Not that all this bad blood is here for nothing. People feel betrayed, abused and what not. And sometimes rightly so... because if you want rule this game you must be the most ruthless bastard around . This is - by design - a feature of Eve, CCP wanted the Eve world to be harsh, cruel place. But this got out of hand quite a long time ago.


If i remember well RP'ers dislike the other players also and its not the first time i've read requests for a RP server.

And to top it off in EvE you seem to be having the "MTV CELEBRITY CULTURE" were some people seem to have a place above others when they speak and all the sheep go after what they say, even if its pure and utter crap.

So to say its sickening, well deal with it, the older players started this culture, then the others that came continued it and now most of the vets still teach that to the younger ones so were does that leave us, back to square one.

You can say all that you ( you people in general ) want but thats the truth and no one cares because its just words to look good and not to think and act upon them.

Platinum BabyJesus
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2007.12.19 11:18:00 - [139]
 

*snip* Posting with an unidentified character and characters in NPC corporations in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. - Cortes (mods@ccpgames.com)

Stan Sui
Gallente
Entropy Systems Mining Co.
Black Scope Project
Posted - 2007.12.19 11:48:00 - [140]
 

Originally by: Althair Erin
In the short time that I have been a player in EVE and a member of Goonswarm, I've observed the incredible amount of hatred and rage that many players feel toward each other, and other corporations. The endless trolling, the smack talk in Local, and a general feeling of contempt between opposing parties. I've seen some few examples of mutual respect, but they appear to be few and far between.

When I fly through space not owned by my Alliance or allies I feel a kind of cold distance between myself and other pilots. No one seems to want to take time to talk before opening up with all guns. Is padding your killboard with my frigate so important, when maybe I just want to talk? Do you feel threatened? My Incursus can't hold a candle to your Vagabond, so why not chat a little? Inter-Alliance communication would be so much more vibrant if there was a greater willingness to communicate.

Where does all this hate come from? I can see that the older generation of players have a long list of grudges and slights and other insults they are trying to avenge, but what about new players? Do we have to adopt the anger and rage of our elders? Should we allow ourselves to be infected by their hate?

I'm not calling for an end to fighting. Most of our ships are designed for the sole purpose of burning other vessels into floating scrap. But wouldn't it be a more beautiful universe if we, the newer generation of players held a greater mutual respect for each other? The hope of the younger generation is their unstained hearts- we haven't had the time to become so jaded or angry that we shut out everyone except our own corporation. We should reach out to each other in the interest of making -everyones- experience better.

Maybe next time you find yourself hovering over the wreck of your enemy, you might try convoing them instead of podding. Who knows, you might make a new friend.


Instead of having a chat with them, offer them loaf, they'll love you for it and you'll be firm friends forever.

7shining7one7
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.12.19 12:00:00 - [141]
 

Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 19/12/2007 12:00:56
cool thread, and merry christmas / happy holidays / whatever applies

Arvo Henderson
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2007.12.19 12:14:00 - [142]
 

Originally by: Dionisius

If i remember well RP'ers dislike the other players also and its not the first time i've read requests for a RP server.



That's a very poor attempt at trolling me.

Originally by: Dionisius

And to top it off in EvE you seem to be having the "MTV CELEBRITY CULTURE" were some people seem to have a place above others when they speak and all the sheep go after what they say, even if its pure and utter crap.



Question Dude, what you've been smoking this morning? I think you're not feeling too well.

Originally by: Dionisius

So to say its sickening, well deal with it, the older players started this culture, then the others that came continued it and now most of the vets still teach that to the younger ones so were does that leave us, back to square one.



That's what I do - deal with it. But the fact that I deal with it, doesn't mean I enjoy dealing with it.

Originally by: Dionisius

You can say all that you ( you people in general ) want but thats the truth and no one cares because its just words to look good and not to think and act upon them.


I agree with you - nobody cares. But I care, so I post here. If you don't like me posting, well, deal with it.

Dextro Cornu
Caldari
The KSN Xperience
Posted - 2007.12.19 12:15:00 - [143]
 

NICE!

Another Goon thread Surprised

Dionisius
Gallente
the muppets
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2007.12.19 12:48:00 - [144]
 

Originally by: Arvo Henderson
Originally by: Dionisius

If i remember well RP'ers dislike the other players also and its not the first time i've read requests for a RP server.



That's a very poor attempt at trolling me.

Originally by: Dionisius

And to top it off in EvE you seem to be having the "MTV CELEBRITY CULTURE" were some people seem to have a place above others when they speak and all the sheep go after what they say, even if its pure and utter crap.



Question Dude, what you've been smoking this morning? I think you're not feeling too well.

Originally by: Dionisius

So to say its sickening, well deal with it, the older players started this culture, then the others that came continued it and now most of the vets still teach that to the younger ones so were does that leave us, back to square one.



That's what I do - deal with it. But the fact that I deal with it, doesn't mean I enjoy dealing with it.

Originally by: Dionisius

You can say all that you ( you people in general ) want but thats the truth and no one cares because its just words to look good and not to think and act upon them.


I agree with you - nobody cares. But I care, so I post here. If you don't like me posting, well, deal with it.


I'll just say this straight forward, if you think that i was trolling or atempting to sabotage you or your post then you are a very very stupid person.

There is no way in hell you can say it otherwise because thats what happens in here, as in many other games, but still mostly here due to the political nature of the game.

Eg. Some people are noticed more due to the fact of pulling a good stunt in combat, or being charismatic leaders, others that function well as a corp or are know thieves and scammers.

And as such they have the "EvE groupies" that no matter they say something smart or complete crap they support it.

Still don't get it? Ok proceeding,

1- Being old in the game does not grant you any authority over new players, grants you the duty of helping them out if you wish but never throw people down ( ie. what you just did with your disgusting post and what is seen here by many other players )

2- There are RP'ers and i wasn't refering to you in particular that express the wish to see a RP only server, as stated by other players everyone here impersonates their character and due to the IT/CCP Designs this is not possible or will not be implemented.

Saying otherwise is being a hipocrit and putting up an act on CAOD, or wherever you wish to post, just to look good.

3- You can post whenever, wherever and whatever you like, you wrote to the public and i limited myself to share my toughts on the matter because,

I like the RP comunity.
I would like to see a bit less of anger in people and a bit more enjoyment of the game.
I would certainly like to see the RP's and the other folk that don't a bit more closer in the game and not half isolated in some region and the other half doing whatever they do.

So i don't know you, and yes, you are damn stupid for not taking at least 1 minute of your time, pretty much like 80% of the players around here, and thinkin before replying, "hey, maybe this guy isn't trolling or flaming me and he is actually trying to share or explaing something, let me ask."

Because i am not english, i am not perfect and i sometimes have a bit of trouble explaining my point of view in a language that is the mothertongue for around the majority of players.

So if you still don't get it try to be a bit nice and ASK before assuming sh*t!Evil or Very Mad

Janu Hull
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2007.12.19 14:19:00 - [145]
 

Originally by: ISD Santiago Cortes
*Cleaned*

Let us try and keep this most enlightening of threads open so the rest of our brethren may rejoice in its glow.


After reading this, I actually went to the fridge to grab a Pepsi just so I could blast it through my nostrils.

Somehow, reading this response without it just didn't leave me feeling complete.

von Goethe
Gallente
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.19 14:50:00 - [146]
 

The opinions given in this thread remind me a lot of another great Poester who had something to say on this matter:

"When you were young and your heart was an open book
You used to say life and let life
But in this ever changing world in which we live in
Makes you give in and cry
Say live and let die"

See, initially the younger generation of players to eve, simply because they haven't become immersed in the culture yet, aren't going to contain these biases and hatred(hurf hurf fins, etc.). However, the first time someone gets ganked, they're going to fall into these predjudices.

"What does it matter to ya
When you got a job to do
You gotta do it well
You gotta give the other fellow hell"

So, discounting those who have subscribed to the game in order to be industrialists or space truckers, you recognize the entire point of the game is to pod wardecs. And since it's more difficult to pod someone you've become buddy buddy with, whether we consciously recognize it or not, "give(ing) the other fellow hell" will have to involve smack and derision through stereotype.

Rhatar Khurin
Minmatar
Dead poets society
The Laughing Men
Posted - 2007.12.19 14:51:00 - [147]
 

How about a galaxy wide pact of non-aggression for the seasonal period?

Low-priced Mulled wine at corp stations and jaunty hats for all!

Rhatar Khurin
Minmatar
Dead poets society
The Laughing Men
Posted - 2007.12.19 14:55:00 - [148]
 

Originally by: von Goethe
The opinions given in this thread remind me a lot of another great Poester who had something to say on this matter:

"When you were young and your heart was an open book
You used to say life and let life
But in this ever changing world in which we live in
Makes you give in and cry
Say live and let die"


Axl Rose plays EVE? :P

Zell Shadowcast
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.12.19 14:55:00 - [149]
 

Originally by: Rhatar Khurin
How about a galaxy wide pact of non-aggression for the seasonal period?

Low-priced Mulled wine at corp stations and jaunty hats for all!


I like the way you think kind sir, but what better to go with wine than cheeses of all types and a nice, warm sugar cookie.

I am curling up by a fire right now just thinking about it, god bless.

von Goethe
Gallente
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.19 14:56:00 - [150]
 

The fact that Axl Rose was your answer shames enough for both of us.


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