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FGxHalsey
Caldari
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.18 22:02:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: Yussef
Edited by: Yussef on 18/12/2007 21:58:10
Originally by: WrathOfOprah
Originally by: Rocka Stargirl
This is what I've been saying all along. Hugs for the hug throne.


Hugs certainly feel good, both on the giving and receiving end, and it turns out their effects are more than skin deep. A study by University of North Carolina researchers found that hugs increase the "bonding" hormone oxytocin and decrease the risk of heart disease.


It isn't just about the physical benefits though, but the spiritual. Like chicken soup for the soul.


Well combined with the title of this thread maybe its more like Pepsi for the soul. "The Hope of a Younger Generation"

Althair Erin
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.12.18 22:08:00 - [92]
 

Edited by: Althair Erin on 18/12/2007 22:09:03
Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
Originally by: Althair Erin
I've seen some few examples of mutual respect, but they appear to be few and far between.

When I fly through space not owned by my Alliance or allies I feel a kind of cold distance between myself and other pilots.

Aww, a goon feels misunderstood and cold shouldered by the community.

Just think about what your "leaders" have said in the past about bringing EVE to it's knees and killing nodes, then you might just have an idea why there is little respect for any member of your alliance.


Please guys in the posts above me, try to add something a little more substantive to this discussion. I think this is something really important for all of us to consider.

Now, to the quoted poster:
Remember that I'm really new, and that the grudges of the past don't have the kind of pressing relevance to me they do for other players. That's where I see an opportunity- there are always new players coming into every alliance, why should they be forced to absorb the grudges of their elders? Why do the older players have to carry their hatred forever, when they could be free of it in the interest of making something better?

I really appreciate you engaging me and this conversation with this post and your follow-up post. It's by talking honestly and openly in this fashion that we can help shape the future of the EVE galaxy. We came here for various reasons, but I think all of us were attracted to the fact that we, as galactic citizens, can actually make a difference. The individual is empowered here to a great extent- we are only bound to the path of hate as long as we determine to keep walking it.

Let's step off the path.

I want to encourage the younger, newer players to come here and share their feelings. We belong to organizations with histories, but we don't have to allow those historical experiences to dictate our future actions. We all have reasons for why we are in the corporation or alliance we joined, but they are ours to contribute to even as they contribute to our playing experience. The fact that I'm here and saying this should be an encouraging sign- the 'youth' of EVE as it were can breath new life into the galaxy by communicating openly.

FGxHalsey
Caldari
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.18 22:13:00 - [93]
 

Edited by: FGxHalsey on 18/12/2007 22:13:46
Originally by: Althair Erin
Edited by: Althair Erin on 18/12/2007 22:09:03
Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
Originally by: Althair Erin
I've seen some few examples of mutual respect, but they appear to be few and far between.

When I fly through space not owned by my Alliance or allies I feel a kind of cold distance between myself and other pilots.

Aww, a goon feels misunderstood and cold shouldered by the community.

Just think about what your "leaders" have said in the past about bringing EVE to it's knees and killing nodes, then you might just have an idea why there is little respect for any member of your alliance.


Please guys in the posts above me, try to add something a little more substantive to this discussion. I think this is something really important for all of us to consider.

Now, to the quoted poster:
Remember that I'm really new, and that the grudges of the past don't have the kind of pressing relevance to me they do for other players. That's where I see an opportunity- there are always new players coming into every alliance, why should they be forced to absorb the grudges of their elders? Why do the older players have to carry their hatred forever, when they could be free of it in the interest of making something better?


I thank-you for your honest dialog and sincerity of thought. Many old vets of EvE forget that new members are joining the game and the in-game alliances all the time. These members do not remember any of the past actions or complex political histories in the game. Also, lets remember that this is just a game and that there are real people on the other end of the characters we see. Through honest dialog and mutual respect for each other, perhaps this culture we call the eve-o community may come together for their mutual benefit.

Traumatica
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.12.18 22:15:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: FGxHalsey
Originally by: Yussef
Edited by: Yussef on 18/12/2007 21:58:10
Originally by: WrathOfOprah
Originally by: Rocka Stargirl
This is what I've been saying all along. Hugs for the hug throne.


Hugs certainly feel good, both on the giving and receiving end, and it turns out their effects are more than skin deep. A study by University of North Carolina researchers found that hugs increase the "bonding" hormone oxytocin and decrease the risk of heart disease.


It isn't just about the physical benefits though, but the spiritual. Like chicken soup for the soul.


Well combined with the title of this thread maybe its more like Pepsi for the soul. "The Hope of a Younger Generation"


Would you say that the Crystal Clear Pepsi is somewhat similiar to Quafe?

Jaabaa Prime
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2007.12.18 22:22:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: Althair Erin
I want to encourage the younger, newer players to come here and share their feelings.

What you are posting is in stark contrast to what has been announced by your alliance's leadership.

If new players were "to go there", where you are, then your NBSI policy would would probably allow them to share loads of feelings with your alliance, and I doubt that any of them would be positive.

As I said before, you should consider a NRDS policy, then if can get the goons to keep to it, you might, with time, earn back some of the respect lost because of your alliace's previous behaviour and past track record.

Taking that into account, and the latest announcement, I find it hard to believe that even a post like this, by a new member, will change the communities view of your alliance.

Actions speak louder than words, and so far, the actions have said loads, and the words (many of them, even in this self same thread) have said nothing.

Ungdall
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.18 22:27:00 - [96]
 

That post was beautiful, and this is beautifully done.

FGxHalsey
Caldari
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.18 22:28:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: Traumatica
Originally by: FGxHalsey
Originally by: Yussef
Edited by: Yussef on 18/12/2007 21:58:10
Originally by: WrathOfOprah
Originally by: Rocka Stargirl
This is what I've been saying all along. Hugs for the hug throne.


Hugs certainly feel good, both on the giving and receiving end, and it turns out their effects are more than skin deep. A study by University of North Carolina researchers found that hugs increase the "bonding" hormone oxytocin and decrease the risk of heart disease.


It isn't just about the physical benefits though, but the spiritual. Like chicken soup for the soul.


Well combined with the title of this thread maybe its more like Pepsi for the soul. "The Hope of a Younger Generation"


Would you say that the Crystal Clear Pepsi is somewhat similiar to Quafe?


Indeed my good sir, I'll bring the scones if you bring the Crystal Pepsi and/or Quaffe. Won't you join me?

Val Streth
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.18 22:29:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: Ungdall
That post was beautiful, and this is beautifully done.


No.

YOU are beautiful.

FGxHalsey
Caldari
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.18 22:31:00 - [99]
 

Edited by: FGxHalsey on 18/12/2007 22:33:16
Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
Originally by: Althair Erin
I want to encourage the younger, newer players to come here and share their feelings.


As I said before, you should consider a NRDS policy, then if can get the goons to keep to it, you might, with time, earn back some of the respect lost because of your alliace's previous behaviour and past track record.

Taking that into account, and the latest announcement, I find it hard to believe that even a post like this, by a new member, will change the communities view of your alliance.

Actions speak louder than words, and so far, the actions have said loads, and the words (many of them, even in this self same thread) have said nothing.


I agree whole-heartedly. Goonswarm should indeed go to an NRDS policy as an olive branch to the EvE community. I believe the whole issue of lost respect by goonswarm to be a matter of simple misunderstanding that can easily be resolved through mutual respect for each other.


You too are invited to my Crystal Pepsi + scones party.

true enjoyment
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.18 22:31:00 - [100]
 

it's moments like this that reaffirm my beliefs

Jaabaa Prime
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2007.12.18 22:32:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: FGxHalsey
Many old vets of EvE forget that new members are joining the game and the in-game alliances all the time. These members do not remember any of the past actions or complex political histories in the game.

Or the posts about crashing the server ? Maybe they should know about it before making decisions.
Originally by: FGxHalsey
Also, lets remember that this is just a game and that there are real people on the other end of the characters we see.

Yes, its a game, and crashing the server / node ruins it for everyone, where is the gameplay in that ?

I respect and have flown with loads of the older players in RA, TCF, etc., and sometimes even chat with them. Not intel or anything, just a chat between old friends (and sometimes enemies).
Originally by: FGxHalsey
Through honest dialog and mutual respect for each other, perhaps this culture we call the eve-o community may come together for their mutual benefit.

One of the nice things about EVE is that "mutual respect" is earned, not requested or simply given because you want it.

Back in the days of CA vs. SA, there was loads of "mutual respect", we killed each other at every opportunity, but there wasn't any real animosity.

I think it'll take ages before people see the goons in another light. Your future actions (as an alliance) will show if this thread is more than just hot air.

Iasius
Gallente
Short Bus Pole Dancers
Posted - 2007.12.18 22:34:00 - [102]
 

Perhaps a branded range of choccies from goons with fluffy pink ribbons. No please not a lovely cuddly Goons Laughing

Janu Hull
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2007.12.18 22:35:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: FGxHalsey
Edited by: FGxHalsey on 18/12/2007 22:33:16
Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
Originally by: Althair Erin
I want to encourage the younger, newer players to come here and share their feelings.


As I said before, you should consider a NRDS policy, then if can get the goons to keep to it, you might, with time, earn back some of the respect lost because of your alliace's previous behaviour and past track record.

Taking that into account, and the latest announcement, I find it hard to believe that even a post like this, by a new member, will change the communities view of your alliance.

Actions speak louder than words, and so far, the actions have said loads, and the words (many of them, even in this self same thread) have said nothing.


I agree whole-heartedly. Goonswarm should indeed go to an NRDS policy as an olive branch to the EvE community. I believe the whole issue of lost respect by goonswarm to be a matter of simple misunderstanding that can easily be resolved through mutual respect for each other.


You too are invited to my Crystal Pepsi + scones party.


All we need to complete this surreal trip is Spock wearing a beard...

WrathOfOprah
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.12.18 22:36:00 - [104]
 

Originally by: Jaabaa Prime

I think it'll take ages before people see the goons in another light. Your future actions (as an alliance) will show if this thread is more than just hot air.


We look forward to the opportunity to demonstrate to the eve community that we have matured. We have new FCs and Sergeants that follow the teachings of Jesus Christ and minister to us on teamspeak. We have been filled with the holy spirit and wish to make peace with anyone who we have harmed over the past year.

FGxHalsey
Caldari
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.18 22:36:00 - [105]
 

Edited by: FGxHalsey on 18/12/2007 22:37:09
Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
Originally by: FGxHalsey
Many old vets of EvE forget that new members are joining the game and the in-game alliances all the time. These members do not remember any of the past actions or complex political histories in the game.

Or the posts about crashing the server ? Maybe they should know about it before making decisions.
Originally by: FGxHalsey
Also, lets remember that this is just a game and that there are real people on the other end of the characters we see.

Yes, its a game, and crashing the server / node ruins it for everyone, where is the gameplay in that ?

I respect and have flown with loads of the older players in RA, TCF, etc., and sometimes even chat with them. Not intel or anything, just a chat between old friends (and sometimes enemies).
Originally by: FGxHalsey
Through honest dialog and mutual respect for each other, perhaps this culture we call the eve-o community may come together for their mutual benefit.

One of the nice things about EVE is that "mutual respect" is earned, not requested or simply given because you want it.

Back in the days of CA vs. SA, there was loads of "mutual respect", we killed each other at every opportunity, but there wasn't any real animosity.

I think it'll take ages before people see the goons in another light. Your future actions (as an alliance) will show if this thread is more than just hot air.


I have never made a post about crashing the server. I too, am an eve player that enjoys a good smack-free fight and am eager to dish out the mad props when such props are deserved.
I believe I can speak for us all when I say nothing would make us happier than lag-free GFs all around. I will personally petition CCP to implement dove-launchers to fire as a good will demonstration towards our fellow game players.

Althair Erin
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.12.18 22:43:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
Originally by: Althair Erin
I want to encourage the younger, newer players to come here and share their feelings.

What you are posting is in stark contrast to what has been announced by your alliance's leadership.

If new players were "to go there", where you are, then your NBSI policy would would probably allow them to share loads of feelings with your alliance, and I doubt that any of them would be positive.

As I said before, you should consider a NRDS policy, then if can get the goons to keep to it, you might, with time, earn back some of the respect lost because of your alliace's previous behaviour and past track record.

Taking that into account, and the latest announcement, I find it hard to believe that even a post like this, by a new member, will change the communities view of your alliance.

Actions speak louder than words, and so far, the actions have said loads, and the words (many of them, even in this self same thread) have said nothing.


Major changes in policy can occur at any time, as we've seen here over the past few days. I think that I was fairly clear in that when inviting people to 'come here' as it were, I was speaking of this thread on CAOD and not Goonspace. I understand that our current policy makes safe travel for non-allied organizations dangerous.

Platitudes about words and deeds are all well and good, but this -is- a forum for conversation, so I aim to engage people on the level of words. As a 3m SP character my ability to influence people with in-game firepower or manufacturing expertise is limited, but open conversation is a great equalizer.

Thank you for your suggestion, I would be glad to hear if other people also desire a NRDS policy, and what other avenues could be explored to increase galactic communication. Is it your position that all alliances should pursue a NRDS system?

I wish that people could more easily see through the ambiguous and disingenuous information that is put out surrounding us. My experience among my fellows has been extremely positive. The goon population has a lot of warm feelings to offer, they treat their younger players with respect and give plenty of advice to new pilots. When encountering our allies in space I've felt those same warm feelings on both sides. It's a shame that the truth of our generally good nature has somehow become muddled in the eyes of some players.

SunglassesInSpace
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.18 22:44:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
Originally by: FGxHalsey
Many old vets of EvE forget that new members are joining the game and the in-game alliances all the time. These members do not remember any of the past actions or complex political histories in the game.

Or the posts about crashing the server ? Maybe they should know about it before making decisions.
Originally by: FGxHalsey
Also, lets remember that this is just a game and that there are real people on the other end of the characters we see.

Yes, its a game, and crashing the server / node ruins it for everyone, where is the gameplay in that ?

I respect and have flown with loads of the older players in RA, TCF, etc., and sometimes even chat with them. Not intel or anything, just a chat between old friends (and sometimes enemies).
Originally by: FGxHalsey
Through honest dialog and mutual respect for each other, perhaps this culture we call the eve-o community may come together for their mutual benefit.

One of the nice things about EVE is that "mutual respect" is earned, not requested or simply given because you want it.

Back in the days of CA vs. SA, there was loads of "mutual respect", we killed each other at every opportunity, but there wasn't any real animosity.

I think it'll take ages before people see the goons in another light. Your future actions (as an alliance) will show if this thread is more than just hot air.


Given that we are trying to change, or more correctly going back to normal, a little support would be very welcome rather than constant doubting. We've been acting terrible for so long that it's a bit much to ask that all our members change overnight. I'm sure any words of encouragement would go a long way to helping those that take longer to revert to our true direction.

Yussef
Amarr
War is Bliss
Posted - 2007.12.18 22:47:00 - [108]
 

Originally by: SunglassesInSpace
Given that we are trying to change, or more correctly going back to normal, a little support would be very welcome rather than constant doubting. We've been acting terrible for so long that it's a bit much to ask that all our members change overnight. I'm sure any words of encouragement would go a long way to helping those that take longer to revert to our true direction.


I know it's all like confusing. It's like I try to do the right thing but then there's like these doubters who make me doubt myself. I'm so confused and need a hug.

Lsf XXi
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2007.12.18 22:47:00 - [109]
 

I see them carried away headlong, grim and obsessed, in the general onrush of the human herd, unable to stop themselves or to change their direction.

This is how I've seen goons for some time now. But recent events have caused us to reflect on how we've interacted with the eve community over the last couple of years. And I think in the upcoming year you'll see something different from goonswarm.

Jaabaa Prime
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2007.12.18 22:48:00 - [110]
 

Originally by: WrathOfOprah
We have new FCs and Sergeants that follow the teachings of Jesus Christ and minister to us on teamspeak. We have been filled with the holy spirit and wish to make peace with anyone who we have harmed over the past year.

LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing
This made my day, and you expect the hard core gamers that play EVE to take this even half ways seriously.

true enjoyment
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.18 22:58:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
Originally by: WrathOfOprah
We have new FCs and Sergeants that follow the teachings of Jesus Christ and minister to us on teamspeak. We have been filled with the holy spirit and wish to make peace with anyone who we have harmed over the past year.

LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing
This made my day, and you expect the hard core gamers that play EVE to take this even half ways seriously.


it's not official yet, but goonswarm's new years resolution is to be nicer

Yussef
Amarr
War is Bliss
Posted - 2007.12.18 23:01:00 - [112]
 

Originally by: true enjoyment
Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
Originally by: WrathOfOprah
We have new FCs and Sergeants that follow the teachings of Jesus Christ and minister to us on teamspeak. We have been filled with the holy spirit and wish to make peace with anyone who we have harmed over the past year.

LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing
This made my day, and you expect the hard core gamers that play EVE to take this even half ways seriously.


it's not official yet, but goonswarm's new years resolution is to be nicer


I believe the official resolution will be "hugs not thugs."

WrathOfOprah
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.12.18 23:06:00 - [113]
 

Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
Originally by: WrathOfOprah
We have new FCs and Sergeants that follow the teachings of Jesus Christ and minister to us on teamspeak. We have been filled with the holy spirit and wish to make peace with anyone who we have harmed over the past year.

LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing
This made my day, and you expect the hard core gamers that play EVE to take this even half ways seriously.


Why would "hard core" gamers be averted to the teaching of our lord and savior. I once thought that bringing e-missery and e-pain was funny. I also thought using racial epithets and saying "****" were funny. But Jesus showed me that what I was doing was wrong, that I was hurting people. I talked to my youth pastor and he had me introduce him to the rest of Goonfleet. Within a few weeks, we began daily studies.

Val Streth
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.18 23:08:00 - [114]
 

The thought of a new year and new attitudes makes me smile inside and out. Very Happy

Dez Affinity
Caldari
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.12.18 23:08:00 - [115]
 

This is inspirational, I to believe we can live in a Universe where we extend the warmth of our hearts and not that of our warp disruptors and guns. Such brutish acts should no longer be present in this Universe.

I'd like to thank you for this thread, merry christmas.

Traumatica
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.12.18 23:11:00 - [116]
 

Originally by: Virgil Aquilis
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/8730/omnipoetcgu5.jpg
hey guys i just wanted someplace to post this, is this a good place?



MARKTHERIPPER is clearly in the Christmas spirit and acting the way a child of God should.

true enjoyment
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.18 23:11:00 - [117]
 

Originally by: Dez Affinity
This is inspirational, I to believe we can live in a Universe where we extend the warmth of our hearts and not that of our warp disruptors and guns. Such brutish acts should no longer be present in this Universe.

I'd like to thank you for this thread, merry christmas.


games are games, but we need to remember that outside the game (in the forums) we're all real people and that we're all brosefs %^D

Asmodea Lorion
Gallente
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.18 23:16:00 - [118]
 

Edited by: Asmodea Lorion on 18/12/2007 23:17:01
Originally by: Traumatica
Indeed, there is a significant amount of vitriol between not only new players and older players, but between other groups of players in general. I cannot but help ponder the significance of this when applied to a broader social view. It saddens me when I think of those who will come after me, and what they will miss out on. They may never know the love of a forming conga-line around a gate with your enemy. They may never know the true happiness I experience when I know another will use my modules even after he killed me. It is a shame. In closing, I'd like to share with you some lyrics that I feel we should all take to heart, Whitney Houston's "The Greatest Love of All"

Did you know that Whitney Houston's debut LP, called simply Whitney Houston had 4 number one singles on it? Did you know that, Dafuzz? It's hard to choose a favorite among so many great tracks, but "The Greatest Love of All" is one of the best, most powerful songs ever written about self-preservation, dignity. Its universal message crosses all boundaries and instills one with the hope that it's not too late to better ourselves. Since, Althair Erin, it's impossible in this world we live in to empathize with others, we can always empathize with ourselves. It's an important message, crucial really. And it's beautifully stated on the album.


I believe the children are our future
Teach them well and let them lead the way
Show them all the beauty they possess inside
Give them a sense of pride to make it easier
Let the children's laughter remind us how we used to be

And if by chance, that special place
That you've been dreaming of
Leads you to a lonely place
Find your strength in love




Myself I'm inspired by this thread and message of kindness to spread my appreciation of Phil Collins and Genesis.

Do you like Phil Collins? I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece.

It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument.
In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority.

In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way.

Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds.
But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. Traumatica, please listen to Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite!

Althair Erin
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.12.18 23:24:00 - [119]
 

We are wandering a little bit, let's try to stay on track. The scope of this discussion is very broad, so it shouldn't be too hard to stay within the bounds while still focusing on the issue you find personally engaging.

Right now the major points that have been made are:

Many people are still influenced by past conflicts

There is an opportunity to escape collective grudges by taking a stand as new pilots for what we believe in- a more friendly EVE galaxy.

We are eliciting everyones thoughts on a NRDS policy- how they feel about it personally and for their corporation or alliance.

The outsiders view of our corporation is badly distorted, and we want to rectify it, as what people think of our corporation or alliance tends to stain their impression of us as individuals.

The holiday season is an excellent time for this kind of discussion, as long as we can remain somewhat focused.

And always, always, always this has been about empowering the individual. This forum is a great place for individuals to let their voices be heard. I am still hoping that people will come into this thread and announce that they are new pilots- like myself- who are interested in this kind of dialogue. Older players are of course welcome, but this is about a revolution in attitude, so before you post a lot of vitriol please re-examine your position.

Hoodoomon
Minmatar
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.18 23:51:00 - [120]
 

Edited by: Hoodoomon on 18/12/2007 23:51:45
Great post.


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