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Juha85
Caldari
Free Lapland
The Kadeshi
Posted - 2007.12.18 19:17:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: fell1234

Ummm its more a metaphore of having all of their assets frozen in a station and them being unable to show their faces anywhere without dying. And yes BoB is going to be shedding TONS of members. People join bob to be on the winning team. why else would people put up with pompous ****ers?

You can get away with being arrogant and pompous when you are winning. Its not nearly so endearing when you are being purged.


And yet again: Do you think bob members will have any significant assets stuck in those stations when they finally fall (if they do)? But yes, you are probably right, bob will lose members but those members are the ones who deserve to go anyway. Only the one's who are really committed to the alliance will stay when the going goes tough. It's the same for every alliance. I cant be sure but I would expect that the majority of BoB are the more loyal variant...

fell1234
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.12.18 19:19:00 - [92]
 

Edited by: fell1234 on 18/12/2007 19:21:50
Edited by: fell1234 on 18/12/2007 19:21:03
Originally by: Juha85
Originally by: fell1234

Ummm its more a metaphore of having all of their assets frozen in a station and them being unable to show their faces anywhere without dying. And yes BoB is going to be shedding TONS of members. People join bob to be on the winning team. why else would people put up with pompous ****ers?

You can get away with being arrogant and pompous when you are winning. Its not nearly so endearing when you are being purged.


Why would you expect that? BoB isnt loyal to its allies/pets why would the same people who endorse that behavior be anymore loyal to BoB? Sorry doesn't work that way BoB's membership has reached its peak its all downhill from here. And yes id be willing to bet there is a substantial amount of assets in the npc stations in delve:P


George Clinton
Minmatar
Mothership Connection Inc.
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.18 19:21:00 - [93]
 

*moderated*

George Clinton
Minmatar
Mothership Connection Inc.
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.18 19:27:00 - [94]
 

the best corp in the game deserves nothing less

Illyria Ambri
Caldari
RennTech
SMASH Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.18 20:49:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: McFly


BoB have always said they just want to find a good fight. The roaming Bob idea is not what you would expect from them, but I think it is a viable possibility, but I see them just bum-rushing someone else's region and setting up shop again.

No BoB is not dead, they are about to have the time of their lives. And if they lose Delve, well I think they'll call it a goodfight, and go looking for another one.


Odd.. I was always under the impression that BoB wanted nothing less then to control all 0.0 space.

Since that dosen't seem possible anymore... they are changing their victory conditions to better suit them..

Controlling all 0.0 is no longer a feasible win scenario...
Then it was just looking for a good fight.
Now its holding delve and "the Alamo" to the last man.

So will BoB victory conditions soon be "escaping to empire"?


At what point is victory declared?
When the BoB advance is halted?
When BoB starts loosing ground
When bob withdraws to their last region?
When BoB is down to 1 station?
When BoB is running to empire?
When the Alliance is disbanded but the corps remain?
When the Corps start disbanding but the major players still play?
When all former and past BoB members cancel or quit?

Personally I think its when BoB is denied their desire to "own all of 0.0" and is reduced to a single system of control.



true enjoyment
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.18 21:01:00 - [96]
 

Edited by: true enjoyment on 18/12/2007 21:01:18
i hope it doesn't go that far

edit: i will stop flying if it seems like it is going to go this far

Zanquis
Caldari
Universal Exports
Cult of War
Posted - 2007.12.18 21:20:00 - [97]
 

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Dirap
Caldari
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2007.12.18 21:31:00 - [98]
 

Edited by: Dirap on 18/12/2007 21:39:02
Originally by: Princess Hopy
What most of the people here dont get is that even if BoB is pushed out from their current territory it still took a very large force to do so. BoB is still, even after this, capable of taking any alliance in the game 1vs1 and claiming their space very quickly. Then the only thing that can be done to stop this is to bring the same huge blob of alliances to attack them again.. I dont know, but to me that sounds like alot of work and not particularily fun.

What i'd like to see would be BoB utilizing their superiour capital fleet and basing from npc space striking strategic targets, destroying them and leaving them in ruins before moving to a new target again.


When bob is pushed out of their space, it is very unlikely that it will be the same bob that we know and love today. Losing your home space has a very serious demoralizing affect. Search for "failure cascade".

Many alliances who have come before and been destroyed have tried to spin their defeat as "Now we don't have POSes to weight us down and we can be even more powerful then before!! YARRRR!!YARRRR!!YARRRR!!YARRRR!!". It has never worked out like that.

true enjoyment
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.18 21:34:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: fell1234
Originally by: Zanquis
Be careful what you wish for. Most especially if your in Goon I would start to look forward and think about your future. The enemy you know is easier to deal with then the enemy you do not. If BoB fractures do not fool yourself into thinking that they will all go their separate ways and be hunted down by everybody out of revenge for BoB. They still have a fantastic amount of cap pilots and a Titan and those assets will go somewhere. The disbandment of BoB could cause a massive power shift which nobody saw coming because its very possible their assets can fall to another alliance you never thought of before and make them a sudden super power with a large cap fleet and a titan.

Hate them or like them, if your running an alliance and have the opportunity to pick up some of BoB's more powerful corps I think you might jump at that opportunity so long as you see eye to eye.




Dont waken the slumbering giant!


exactly. BoB might be weak now but if they ally with an enemy alliance they might become too strong

if we [goons] exterminate them then theyre hate will be undying. we would have to stop taking in newbees (new-bees) because of the fear of spies and drama and frankly goonswarm is built on a base of new bees. they are very important to how goonfleet operates and as you can plainly see forcing bob to dismantle and move to empire or to another alliance would be disasterous

TroNaaR
Gallente
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.18 21:49:00 - [100]
 

Hey Bob, can I has ur stufz? Rolling Eyes

Plutoinum
Minmatar
Mercenaries of Andosia
Veritas Immortalis
Posted - 2007.12.18 22:09:00 - [101]
 

Edited by: Plutoinum on 18/12/2007 22:10:13
Originally by: Blitz'Krieg

Perhaps offer finfleet amnesty from future action if they pulled out (they did join late in the game)?



The idea to try to make some opponents' ingame lifes miserable forever is rediculous anyway. There must be really strong reasons to do that. Yes, I know that there was some trouble between Goons and BoB, not that story again. Wink

Well, besides that Finfleet will survive anyway. They existed on their own, before they lived with Chimaera Pact and LV in conquerable space. They can probably also live a few months in npc space again without splitting up.

And about hate against the other corps: Ok, maybe I understand, why you dislike some individuals from BoB, but 'hating' whole corps ?

I also don't understand, what kind of problem people have with Lady Scarlet. I know, she was a high ranking director in ATUK, and is probably also in DICE, but on the forums she's rather quiet. Don't see her flaming tbh, nevertheless she seems to be one of THE targets for extreme smack. No clue, why people say they want to hunt her down even after the war. Well, those people will get bored of it sooner or later.

Rui Nosferatu
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.12.18 22:10:00 - [102]
 

Well i was in LV when we got pwned by the coalition. Really enjoyed it actually, i like pleasure and pain haha.

What would have helped LV if Velios and his crew didnt run off at the first sign of big trouble. And that Chowdown and Lallante did not vanish into the mist when we needed a rapid consolidation plan to fortify one or two systems like RA did.

But that didn't happen and as they say thats show business. As long as BOB's leadership dont go running into grassy fields naked gaga from panic we can expect very stiff resistance which would be fitting to the arrogant devils :)

WrathOfOprah
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.12.18 22:16:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: Plutoinum
Edited by: Plutoinum on 18/12/2007 22:10:13
Originally by: Blitz'Krieg

Perhaps offer finfleet amnesty from future action if they pulled out (they did join late in the game)?



The idea to try to make some opponents' ingame lifes miserable forever is rediculous anyway. There must be really strong reasons to do that. Yes, I know that there was some trouble between Goons and BoB, not that story again. Wink



All has been forgiven.

And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. --John 3:23

Cvuos
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.18 22:19:00 - [104]
 

That's the point. Most of BoB are in BoB because they want to win. It's not about "getting a good fight" or "banding with brothers". That's crap you say on the forums so you look even better when you win. When the winning stops, the would-be winners stop xing up.

Cruising around Delve you see quite a few ratting Ravens flow by sub-12 month chars with ~~***pRouD m3mb4 of da BAND OF BROTHARZ***~~ in their bio and only empire merc / pirate corps in ther employment history. This is the bloat of BoB, casual players that will leave quietly when the going gets tough.

Maybe the core will stick around. To do what? Camp lowsec with supercaps? It's funny how the theorycrafters in here assume that the first thing a de-regioned, de-posed entity will do is start sieging poses and taking regions.

Jovoich
Gallente
Trans-Solar Works
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2007.12.18 22:23:00 - [105]
 

I for one hope BOB wins. Why? simply because you all expect them to fail.

GL BOB

Plutoinum
Minmatar
Mercenaries of Andosia
Veritas Immortalis
Posted - 2007.12.18 22:24:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: WrathOfOprah

And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. --John 3:23

Yes, that's what I mean. Let's just be a little bit more nice. It's almost chrismas anyway. Amen. Cool

Blitz'Krieg
Caldari
10010011001
Posted - 2007.12.19 01:47:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: George Clinton
Originally by: Blitz'Krieg
Perhaps offer finfleet amnesty from future action if they pulled out (they did join late in the game)?

finfleet was in lotka volterra you stupid ***got


so lotka volterra have the same never ending hate relationship as BoB? I could understand the BoB hatred from "there are no goons" which I personally hated (and I believe got flamed about after a post of mine) but comon for gods sake, you cant hate EVERYONE to the end of time otherwise wtf is the point?

The point I was trying to make with finfleet is that the only way to break an alliance is from the inside. Allowing finfleet to go their own way would be knocking of X amount of players from BoB. Break up the alliance, not the corps and then truly you can claim victory.

General Tsao
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2007.12.19 01:53:00 - [108]
 

Originally by: Darcuese
Edited by: Darcuese on 18/12/2007 14:38:04
Originally by: Cvuos


LV is a great example. They were tied together by a culture of success. When success is gone, there is no unity anymore.


I been there when Velios came on crossroad with left turn for PvP life or right turn for picking up flowers in his guarden. He didnt take left turn. Thats the difference between many others and BoB. And after all this time ppl dont get it still.
Anybody esle, ANYBODY else that would be in our shoes would already see many members not loging on, or leaving corps and alliances.
Maybe one day, after many glasses of milk, you might realize what benefit some, and others not




Even Cincinattus was a farmer, just sayin.

Orion Moonstar
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.19 02:10:00 - [109]
 

I [support/refute] the [idea/inferences/wild theory] made by [the op/above poster] and will fully [wait/cry] until I see this [proven/implemented].

Yours [in hatred/truly]

LOVEU

CueBee
Gallente
Out of Order
Cult of War
Posted - 2007.12.19 05:16:00 - [110]
 

Originally by: Blitz'Krieg
so lotka volterra have the same never ending hate relationship as BoB?


Yes? Part of the Xirt School of Intel is the important Brainwashing 101 class.

I'd suggest that assuming BoB is dead "just because" is a good way to get lax, and find out the hard way that they are still fighting.

Dafuzz
Gallente
Evolution
The Initiative.
Posted - 2007.12.19 05:40:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: TroNaaR
Hey Bob, can I has ur stufz? Rolling Eyes


Why yes you can, kill us first.

DeadDuck
Amarr
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.19 10:01:00 - [112]
 

My 2 cents of what will happen:

1) BOB will not die has alliance;
2) Even if they loose all the space, they will go reshape a bit in empire and make a huge cleansing in their ranks, reducing their members in about 2/3, and probably getting rid of all the spys;
3) Reshape a bit more;
4) Strike again.

I just cant see them dying because they lost a region (IF they loose)...




Mynx La'Rue
Caldari
Royal Order of Security Specialists
Posted - 2007.12.19 10:05:00 - [113]
 

Originally by: Dafuzz
Originally by: TroNaaR
Hey Bob, can I has ur stufz? Rolling Eyes


Why yes you can, kill us first.



Now entire EVE universe is fighting with BoB.

How long can you hold, how do you think?

Weeks, months?

I say, you should surrender to avoid greater losses.

You fought with honour, now loose with honour.

Cvuos
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.19 10:07:00 - [114]
 

Originally by: Mynx La'Rue


You fought with honour, now loose with honour.


I would of choosen that to.

Major Donkage
Minmatar
Pyre of Gods
Posted - 2007.12.19 10:34:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: Cvuos
Originally by: Mynx La'Rue


You fought with honour, now loose with honour.


I would of choosen that to.


me to dawg *sips mojito*

Bladen Kerst
Caldari
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2007.12.19 14:11:00 - [116]
 

In order to understand what will happen you need to know history.

It all happened before.

The siege of C-J6MT is a nice example how a small group of people defeated a much more numerous coalition of players by making them loose interest in fighting them.

It looks like BoB is preparing to give coalition last stand in Delve, so be prepared to fight not only BoB but lag as well.

Wendat Huron
Gallente
Stellar Solutions
Posted - 2007.12.19 15:06:00 - [117]
 

Originally by: Eleese
Tbh I think bob are much more appealing place to be now than what they were when they would steam roll people like ASCN easily... Much more fun being outnumbered and losing occasionally.


For the regular gamer perhaps but is that who BoB has been attracting all these years? We all heard that catmans, Kugetsomoany or whats his face, whine when BoB lost to Star Fraction in the alliance tournament.

Dafuzz
Gallente
Evolution
The Initiative.
Posted - 2007.12.19 15:11:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: Mynx La'Rue
Originally by: Dafuzz
Originally by: TroNaaR
Hey Bob, can I has ur stufz? Rolling Eyes


Why yes you can, kill us first.



Now entire EVE universe is fighting with BoB.

How long can you hold, how do you think?

Weeks, months?

I say, you should surrender to avoid greater losses.

You fought with honour, now loose with honour.


We will hold out. We do fight with honor, and we don't lose very well when we do lose.

By lose, it merely means we don't get a fight. That is the lose that hurts the most.

And, Ms. La'Rue, please please peruse this site for your edification: (not a rickroll)

Thanks!

Ferocitana
Gallente
Ars ex Discordia
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2007.12.19 19:46:00 - [119]
 

1) Move most of the alliance assets to empire
2) Leave a harrying force that would inflict maximum damage for minimum losses to make them pay for the space
3) send out a few trusted members to infiltrate future targets, do this as if they were leaving because they dont like bob etc
4) Use guerilla hotdrop's and raids to take out obvious industrial targets of their enemies.

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1) Move most of the alliance assets to empire
make loss minimum cause they know they gonna loose?

2) Leave a harrying force that would inflict maximum damage for minimum losses to make them pay for the space
Give us toys to play with as we take systems. We love it. give us empty systems to just shoot pos, booring to death. I repeat. DEATH..

3) send out a few trusted members to infiltrate future targets, do this as if they were leaving because they dont like bob etc
People allways do this here. havent helped any non goons having spies in goonswarm yet.
Repeat statment to 2. Giev us toys to play with.

4) Use guerilla hotdrop's and raids to take out obvious industrial targets of their enemies.
Rpeating statment 2:
Give us toys to play with as we take systems. We love it. give us empty systems to just shoot pos, booring to death. I repeat. DEATH..


to future statement. Moar targets! NIFNIF!

Keith Olbermann
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2007.12.19 21:29:00 - [120]
 

Originally by: Westly Synpa
Originally by: mydingaling
Originally by: McFly
BoB will fight to the last in the Alamo.


Who else loves "Alamo" comparisons?.


i do because they all died.


Funny, what happened to Mexico and Texas after The Alamo?


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