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Sentinel Eeex
Caldari
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.12.18 16:21:00 - [61]
 

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mydingaling
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2007.12.18 17:04:00 - [62]
 

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Maybe we should hand all our space back to BoB so we can be in the powerful position they are...

Zell Shadowcast
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.12.18 17:07:00 - [63]
 

I don't think you guys realize how strong of a position BoB is truly in. Imagine one day not having to fuel any POSes or hold any space.

A starved panther released from the cages of responsibility, free to roam the camps of goonswarm gorging on caged pets and ratters, Its lithe body cleaving the darkness before screams go out over the intel channels.

We have freed the sleeping giant from its oppressive chains, and it is only a matter of time until we are struck down from within our own space which we so gladly accepted. It is inevitable and unavoidable.

Ponderous Thunderstroke
Minmatar
Republic War Machine Industries
Posted - 2007.12.18 17:08:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Zell Shadowcast
I don't think you guys realize how strong of a position BoB is truly in. Imagine one day not having to fuel any POSes or hold any space.

A starved panther released from the cages of responsibility, free to roam the camps of goonswarm gorging on caged pets and ratters, Its lithe body cleaving the darkness before screams go out over the intel channels.

We have freed the sleeping giant from its oppressive chains, and it is only a matter of time until we are struck down from within our own space which we so gladly accepted. It is inevitable and unavoidable.



You've got a good point. I'm packing my stuff and heading for empire.





Oh wait. I live in empire.

I'm packing my stuff and heading for Jita.

Juha85
Caldari
Free Lapland
The Kadeshi
Posted - 2007.12.18 17:09:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Zell Shadowcast
I don't think you guys realize how strong of a position BoB is truly in. Imagine one day not having to fuel any POSes or hold any space.

A starved panther released from the cages of responsibility, free to roam the camps of goonswarm gorging on caged pets and ratters, Its lithe body cleaving the darkness before screams go out over the intel channels.

We have freed the sleeping giant from its oppressive chains, and it is only a matter of time until we are struck down from within our own space which we so gladly accepted. It is inevitable and unavoidable.


You are horrible at trying to be sarcastic. Do you seriously think that if BoB would lose their space they would just disappear? The only thing you really need space for in eve is supercapital production.

Dagam
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.18 17:10:00 - [66]
 

A wise man once said 'Only when you have no space left can your true power be unleashed.' Think on it for a minute.

Yussef
Amarr
War is Bliss
Posted - 2007.12.18 17:10:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Juha85
Originally by: Zell Shadowcast
I don't think you guys realize how strong of a position BoB is truly in. Imagine one day not having to fuel any POSes or hold any space.

A starved panther released from the cages of responsibility, free to roam the camps of goonswarm gorging on caged pets and ratters, Its lithe body cleaving the darkness before screams go out over the intel channels.

We have freed the sleeping giant from its oppressive chains, and it is only a matter of time until we are struck down from within our own space which we so gladly accepted. It is inevitable and unavoidable.


You are horrible at trying to be sarcastic. Do you seriously think that if BoB would lose their space they would just disappear? The only thing you really need space for in eve is supercapital production.


Yeah they didn't want that space anyways!

Juha85
Caldari
Free Lapland
The Kadeshi
Posted - 2007.12.18 17:11:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Yussef
Originally by: Juha85
Originally by: Zell Shadowcast
I don't think you guys realize how strong of a position BoB is truly in. Imagine one day not having to fuel any POSes or hold any space.

A starved panther released from the cages of responsibility, free to roam the camps of goonswarm gorging on caged pets and ratters, Its lithe body cleaving the darkness before screams go out over the intel channels.

We have freed the sleeping giant from its oppressive chains, and it is only a matter of time until we are struck down from within our own space which we so gladly accepted. It is inevitable and unavoidable.


You are horrible at trying to be sarcastic. Do you seriously think that if BoB would lose their space they would just disappear? The only thing you really need space for in eve is supercapital production.


Yeah they didn't want that space anyways!


It doesnt mean they wouldnt want space. It means that you DONT NEED SPACE in eve for anything besides supercapital production.

Zell Shadowcast
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.12.18 17:13:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Juha85
Originally by: Zell Shadowcast
I don't think you guys realize how strong of a position BoB is truly in. Imagine one day not having to fuel any POSes or hold any space.

A starved panther released from the cages of responsibility, free to roam the camps of goonswarm gorging on caged pets and ratters, Its lithe body cleaving the darkness before screams go out over the intel channels.

We have freed the sleeping giant from its oppressive chains, and it is only a matter of time until we are struck down from within our own space which we so gladly accepted. It is inevitable and unavoidable.


You are horrible at trying to be sarcastic. Do you seriously think that if BoB would lose their space they would just disappear? The only thing you really need space for in eve is supercapital production.


I was not being sarcastic in any way shape or form dear sir. We all know and have finnally accepted with grim resignation what we have done.

For truly 0.0 presence is worthless and holding space matters naught, and once they are freed from the heavy burdensome chains of occupying 0.0 the real slaughter will begin.

I refered to a panther stalking its burdened prey before, but the more i think about it, so great is the burden we are releasing from them that it is simply a shark circling its bleeding prey, as the prey grabs a sinking stone. Ever does the prey sink, and the shark circles closer and closer.

Narciss Sevar
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.12.18 17:17:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Zell Shadowcast
Originally by: Juha85
Originally by: Zell Shadowcast
I don't think you guys realize how strong of a position BoB is truly in. Imagine one day not having to fuel any POSes or hold any space.

A starved panther released from the cages of responsibility, free to roam the camps of goonswarm gorging on caged pets and ratters, Its lithe body cleaving the darkness before screams go out over the intel channels.

We have freed the sleeping giant from its oppressive chains, and it is only a matter of time until we are struck down from within our own space which we so gladly accepted. It is inevitable and unavoidable.


You are horrible at trying to be sarcastic. Do you seriously think that if BoB would lose their space they would just disappear? The only thing you really need space for in eve is supercapital production.


I was not being sarcastic in any way shape or form dear sir. We all know and have finnally accepted with grim resignation what we have done.

For truly 0.0 presence is worthless and holding space matters naught, and once they are freed from the heavy burdensome chains of occupying 0.0 the real slaughter will begin.

I refered to a panther stalking its burdened prey before, but the more i think about it, so great is the burden we are releasing from them that it is simply a shark circling its bleeding prey, as the prey grabs a sinking stone. Ever does the prey sink, and the shark circles closer and closer.
This post makes alot of sense, everyone should read it and take it to heart.

Yussef
Amarr
War is Bliss
Posted - 2007.12.18 17:22:00 - [71]
 

Edited by: Yussef on 18/12/2007 17:25:04
One day I hope our alliance can achieve the holy grail of eve: not holding space.

WraithFire
Caldari
Cassandra's Light
Caeruleum Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.18 17:27:00 - [72]
 

It is indeed true that BoB is in a very serious predicament, but it seems that their only exit strategy is to fight and hope for a leverage. When they named their last stronghold to be the "Alamo," it is somehow a hint that there will be no acceptable exit strategy except to fight. Although, I would not assume that some of BoB's members are without hope.

I think some are hoping that the morale would be up again when BoB wins a relatively large fleet battle, or a new ally comes forth to help. In either case, BoB have to prove what an extraordinary alliance they are either by winning or perhaps losing. One way or the other, there would only be one answer for it is an inevitable outcome.

Knowing BoB's natural propensity to create enemies, it seems clear that the situation would not improve. It is ok to talk tough, but Sir Molle have to adjust and modulate his tones especially during these times when BoB is currently battling on several fronts. However, it seems that it is too late for that.

Cool

Zell Shadowcast
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.12.18 17:32:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: WraithFire
It is indeed true that BoB is in a very serious predicament, but it seems that their only exit strategy is to fight and hope for a leverage. When they named their last stronghold to be the "Alamo," it is somehow a hint that there will be no acceptable exit strategy except to fight. Although, I would not assume that some of BoB's members are without hope.

I think some are hoping that the morale would be up again when BoB wins a relatively large fleet battle, or a new ally comes forth to help. In either case, BoB have to prove what an extraordinary alliance they are either by winning or perhaps losing. One way or the other, there would only be one answer for it is an inevitable outcome.

Knowing BoB's natural propensity to create enemies, it seems clear that the situation would not improve. It is ok to talk tough, but Sir Molle have to adjust and modulate his tones especially during these times when BoB is currently battling on several fronts. However, it seems that it is too late for that.

Cool


Not only that, but once the panthers and sharks have been freed from their oppression, they will already have won.

For truly withstanding such nonstop assault for so long against so many people is winning in its own right. No one can claim to have withstood such brute force, and no one can claim to have weathered such terrible times.

No matter the outcome, they have already won, and there is nothing that anyone can say to dispute that. God have mercy on our souls if they lose their space and are turned loose upon the galaxy. Lightning fast fangs in the dark tearing at the tender underbelly of the burdened goons.

northwesten
Amarr
Trinity Corporate Services
Terran United Federation
Posted - 2007.12.18 17:37:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Cvuos
1. No major alliance has survived losing all their space and remaining in their past form.

2. There is no such thing as a supercap fleet based out of NPC stations and empire.

3. Dying takes time. There is no dramatic final blow. There is a push to a brink, then it crumbles from the inside with absent directors, smaller fleets, quiet desertion, internal drama and the usual excuses of "didn't want that 0.0 anyway", "pos wars are boring", "now we are truly free".

LV is a great example. They were tied together by a culture of success. When success is gone, there is no unity anymore. This isn't true for all of BoB but for lots of it, particularly the recent individual joiners who consider(ed) it the end-game. The time from the beginning of the LV campaign to the end of organized resistance wasn't very long, but it took more than twice that time before it was really over.




you don't know bob! They can hurt with out caps and stations anyhow! I flown with these guys years back in the north when i was in kr0m killing fade! I dout they would ever die because they lost there outposts. Tho those were the days *sigh*

Orebuster
Gallente
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2007.12.18 17:46:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Juha85

It doesnt mean they wouldnt want space. It means that you DONT NEED SPACE in eve for anything besides supercapital production.


Lets take your argument as valid on its face. They will need to produce supercapitals. Both sides will lose them, both will need to produce them, if only one side has the necessary facility to produce them, and is unwilling to sell supercaps to the other, then the writing is on the wall, no?

Atama Cardel
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2007.12.18 17:51:00 - [76]
 

What hold BoB together is that they all love to win and they are good at it. Now that they are losing their player base is going to erode away because they can't stand to lose.

mydingaling
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2007.12.18 18:28:00 - [77]
 

panther cross shark sounds scary.. Shocked

NATMav
Caldari
F.R.E.E. Explorer
The Initiative.
Posted - 2007.12.18 18:30:00 - [78]
 

Is pulling out or taking the back door the best strategy?

Nobu Yori
Minmatar
Solar Revenue Service
TAXU
Posted - 2007.12.18 18:37:00 - [79]
 

My good man, taking the back door does not preclude one from pulling out. When the situation turns dire you are in fact obliged to pull out.

Narciss Sevar
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.12.18 18:39:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Nobu Yori
My good man, taking the back door does not preclude one from pulling out. When the situation turns dire you are in fact obliged to pull out.
If a situation turns for the worse, because it is that time of the month pulling out can save you a whole lot of grief and sleepless nights.

Lochmar Fiendhiem
Caldari
International Multi-Player Consortium
Posted - 2007.12.18 18:42:00 - [81]
 

Edited by: Lochmar Fiendhiem on 18/12/2007 18:46:52
I heard sirmolle got into a bit of a scruff with the devs doing PotBS, he was curious to know what sort of "privileges" he could get if he brought in a couple thousand guaranteed players. The devs didn't like this much, and sirmolle was promptly banned from the forums there.

So at this time, BoB has no exit strategy, well Molly doesn't anyways.


Unrelated EDIT: those people that say bob will be stronger etc blah blah blah, if bob does hold onto delve for an extended period of time, they are going to want some better moon minerals (unless for some reason delve conveniently happens to have all necessary moons, unlike every other region *wink wink*). The scattered bob sov system here and there throughout all BoB/pet controlled space was for those moon minerals and staging points etc etc.

Cut the supply lines and you kill the enemy. If bob has to cap jump all their gear into delve, it will get pricey and become another logistics nightmare.



McFly
Caldari
Peanut Factory
Good Sax
Posted - 2007.12.18 18:42:00 - [82]
 

BoB will fight to the last in the Alamo I think. When the last tower is down, BoB will be fighting out of the NPC stations. I think that after awhile they will move on. I don't think they will disband. The thing about being "defeated" in eve is not losing space. In all reality it would surprise me if BoB makes the trek around the lowsec ring with their capitals into another region, evicts it's occupants and starts again.

The only way to trully destroy an alliance is for them to dissolve. I think they will just move to empire when their tired of fighting out the NPC stations and when the time is right blitzkrieg through into a new region.

With people consistently agreeing that no single alliance can defeat them, what would stop them from staging in Lonetrek and invading TRI or Mosus Mihi? Or Forge and making the hop into Geminate?

BoB have always said they just want to find a good fight. The roaming Bob idea is not what you would expect from them, but I think it is a viable possibility, but I see them just bum-rushing someone else's region and setting up shop again.

No BoB is not dead, they are about to have the time of their lives. And if they lose Delve, well I think they'll call it a goodfight, and go looking for another one.

Narciss Sevar
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.12.18 18:47:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: McFly
BoB will fight to the last in the Alamo I think. When the last tower is down, BoB will be fighting out of the NPC stations. I think that after awhile they will move on. I don't think they will disband. The thing about being "defeated" in eve is not losing space. In all reality it would surprise me if BoB makes the trek around the lowsec ring with their capitals into another region, evicts it's occupants and starts again.

The only way to trully destroy an alliance is for them to dissolve. I think they will just move to empire when their tired of fighting out the NPC stations and when the time is right blitzkrieg through into a new region.

With people consistently agreeing that no single alliance can defeat them, what would stop them from staging in Lonetrek and invading TRI or Mosus Mihi? Or Forge and making the hop into Geminate?

BoB have always said they just want to find a good fight. The roaming Bob idea is not what you would expect from them, but I think it is a viable possibility, but I see them just bum-rushing someone else's region and setting up shop again.

No BoB is not dead, they are about to have the time of their lives. And if they lose Delve, well I think they'll call it a goodfight, and go looking for another one.
Don't awake the tiger!

Juha85
Caldari
Free Lapland
The Kadeshi
Posted - 2007.12.18 18:50:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Orebuster
Originally by: Juha85

It doesnt mean they wouldnt want space. It means that you DONT NEED SPACE in eve for anything besides supercapital production.


Lets take your argument as valid on its face. They will need to produce supercapitals. Both sides will lose them, both will need to produce them, if only one side has the necessary facility to produce them, and is unwilling to sell supercaps to the other, then the writing is on the wall, no?


Yes, but unless the coalition blob makes it's life mission to go around new eden chasing bob it wont take too long until they have a new region.

mydingaling
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2007.12.18 18:51:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: McFly
BoB will fight to the last in the Alamo.


Who else loves "Alamo" comparisons?.

fell1234
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.12.18 18:51:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Juha85
Originally by: Orebuster
Originally by: Juha85

It doesnt mean they wouldnt want space. It means that you DONT NEED SPACE in eve for anything besides supercapital production.


Lets take your argument as valid on its face. They will need to produce supercapitals. Both sides will lose them, both will need to produce them, if only one side has the necessary facility to produce them, and is unwilling to sell supercaps to the other, then the writing is on the wall, no?


Yes, but unless the coalition blob makes it's life mission to go around new eden chasing bob it wont take too long until they have a new region.


How many members do you think bobs going to lose when they are all cowering in a npc station unable to undock? Im willing to bet ALOT.

Juha85
Caldari
Free Lapland
The Kadeshi
Posted - 2007.12.18 18:54:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: fell1234
Originally by: Juha85
Originally by: Orebuster
Originally by: Juha85

It doesnt mean they wouldnt want space. It means that you DONT NEED SPACE in eve for anything besides supercapital production.


Lets take your argument as valid on its face. They will need to produce supercapitals. Both sides will lose them, both will need to produce them, if only one side has the necessary facility to produce them, and is unwilling to sell supercaps to the other, then the writing is on the wall, no?


Yes, but unless the coalition blob makes it's life mission to go around new eden chasing bob it wont take too long until they have a new region.


How many members do you think bobs going to lose when they are all cowering in a npc station unable to undock? Im willing to bet ALOT.


Do you actually think that bob members are that n00b that they will be stuck in an NPC station unable to undock? God... rule #1 of war times in eve: Never dock&log.

Westly Synpa
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.18 18:56:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: mydingaling
Originally by: McFly
BoB will fight to the last in the Alamo.


Who else loves "Alamo" comparisons?.


i do because they all died.

mydingaling
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2007.12.18 18:58:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Juha85
Originally by: fell1234
Originally by: Juha85
Originally by: Orebuster
Originally by: Juha85

It doesnt mean they wouldnt want space. It means that you DONT NEED SPACE in eve for anything besides supercapital production.


Lets take your argument as valid on its face. They will need to produce supercapitals. Both sides will lose them, both will need to produce them, if only one side has the necessary facility to produce them, and is unwilling to sell supercaps to the other, then the writing is on the wall, no?


Yes, but unless the coalition blob makes it's life mission to go around new eden chasing bob it wont take too long until they have a new region.


How many members do you think bobs going to lose when they are all cowering in a npc station unable to undock? Im willing to bet ALOT.


Do you actually think that bob members are that n00b that they will be stuck in an NPC station unable to undock? God... rule #1 of war times in eve: Never dock&log.


Stealth Bombers flown by panther cross sharks?....Shocked

fell1234
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.12.18 19:00:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Juha85
Originally by: fell1234
Originally by: Juha85
Originally by: Orebuster
Originally by: Juha85

It doesnt mean they wouldnt want space. It means that you DONT NEED SPACE in eve for anything besides supercapital production.


Lets take your argument as valid on its face. They will need to produce supercapitals. Both sides will lose them, both will need to produce them, if only one side has the necessary facility to produce them, and is unwilling to sell supercaps to the other, then the writing is on the wall, no?


Yes, but unless the coalition blob makes it's life mission to go around new eden chasing bob it wont take too long until they have a new region.


How many members do you think bobs going to lose when they are all cowering in a npc station unable to undock? Im willing to bet ALOT.


Do you actually think that bob members are that n00b that they will be stuck in an NPC station unable to undock? God... rule #1 of war times in eve: Never dock&log.


Ummm its more a metaphore of having all of their assets frozen in a station and them being unable to show their faces anywhere without dying. And yes BoB is going to be shedding TONS of members. People join bob to be on the winning team. why else would people put up with pompous ****ers?

You can get away with being arrogant and pompous when you are winning. Its not nearly so endearing when you are being purged.


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