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Amerame
Gallente
Kernel of War
Tau Ceti Federation
Posted - 2007.12.23 19:07:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: Vile rat
Originally by: Abriana Overlord
Alliances such as RA and Goon earned there space. I believe many do not think KOS have earned there space and have instead rode on the coat tails of peeps who have now given them space (easier than managing 345934634653 POS)

Until such time as KOS get in a serious heads up nut cruncher of a fight and win they are unlikely to get much respect from a large proportion of the eve community.


So basically what you are saying is that KOS is a lot like FIX.


And that would be wrong. KOS was told that someday in the future (and remember that at the time RSF held like 5 stations between our 3 alliances) we would assist them militarily to take over hostile space. Which is what happened, KOS took stations directly from our enemies, we didn't give them away / sold them RSF stations, unlike BoB allies. Is there actually any BoB allies that ever took a station directly from the enemy ? I kinda understand BoB, puts you in a better position to negociate terms when you already have the stations.

Vile rat
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.12.23 19:11:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: Amerame
Originally by: Vile rat
Originally by: Abriana Overlord
Alliances such as RA and Goon earned there space. I believe many do not think KOS have earned there space and have instead rode on the coat tails of peeps who have now given them space (easier than managing 345934634653 POS)

Until such time as KOS get in a serious heads up nut cruncher of a fight and win they are unlikely to get much respect from a large proportion of the eve community.


So basically what you are saying is that KOS is a lot like FIX.


And that would be wrong. KOS was told that someday in the future (and remember that at the time RSF held like 5 stations between our 3 alliances) we would assist them militarily to take over hostile space. Which is what happened, KOS took stations directly from our enemies, we didn't give them away / sold them RSF stations, unlike BoB allies. Is there actually any BoB allies that ever took a station directly from the enemy ? I kinda understand BoB, puts you in a better position to negociate terms when you already have the stations.


Dammit Amerame. I was just going for a juicy zing and you had to go prove me wrong :(

Sorry KOS, you are nothing like FIX.

Firkragg
Amarr
Blood Covenant
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.12.23 20:28:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: Scavok


They may have had their space in Tenerifis mostly handed over to them when ISS and LV fell apart, but they've earned it a few times over since then entirely thanks to their own efforts. Nobody and everybody earned the space in Paragon Soul and Esoteria, they deserve their space there as much as anyone else to contributed to beating BoB earlier.


I think ill take a moment to give a KOS view of these events.

. KOS has never claimed they would have took the space in tenerifis alone as there was no way for them To match the forces that LV was bringing against them. What people fail to realise is that we basically lived out of pos in C3- for the entire time and we damned well earned that system.

As scavok said when BOB invaded we basically did our very best to hold out until the time was right to reclaim it (it was only one system not two i seem to recall). After fruitless atempts to retake it with goon due to us being able to engage with titan in system we eventually retook it with some epic pos spam under bobs nose.

When we invaded AZN we knew there wasnt much chance of success as there was no way alone we could face off against BOB but we were willing to try and create a new front for BOB to take preassure off our allies. I was there when we lost the freighter but our objective of forcing bob to come deal with another system under attack was accomplished.

In regards to the rise invasion of KW that was just LOL. Actually quite enjoyed it as it gave decent pvp on our doorstep. I would like to take the moment to point out that those towers only made it into system after RISE had to phone for help from BOB and DR. The entier time they were there goons were busy in omist and we weathered it pretty much alone. And of course once BOB was busy with their own stuff we took those towers down. I might also add that we were in RIT practically every day killing thier towers alongside goon contrary to the popular belief that we sat on our backsides for months.

In regards to the taking of PS we went in there and dropped out towers and killed the remaining bob towers there. I dont think any alliance can claim to have fought hard for those systems as there was no fight to be had.

Since the taking of Paragon KOS has been all over the place. We have been roaming in Period basis (while DL was there), Been hanging out in querious (Hanging with UNL is fun i might add). And we have also been in FAT recently looking for a good fight.

As ive said in alpot of KOS bashing threads just because we dont generally have a big forum prescence doesnt mean we arent doing anything and more importanly it doesnt mean we havent been there for our allies over the last half a year or so.

Jim Linger
Minmatar
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2007.12.24 01:14:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: Firkragg

When we invaded AZN we knew there wasnt much chance of success as there was no way alone we could face off against BOB but we were willing to try and create a new front for BOB to take preassure off our allies. I was there when we lost the freighter but our objective of forcing bob to come deal with another system under attack was accomplished.



Was is kos or goon (or someone else) that sent like 2 unescorted freighters into azn while it was owned by bob?

sov68n
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.12.24 01:29:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: Firkragg
In regards to the rise invasion of KW that was just LOL. Actually quite enjoyed it as it gave decent pvp on our doorstep. I would like to take the moment to point out that those towers only made it into system after RISE had to phone for help from BOB and DR. The entire time they were there goons were busy in omist and we weathered it pretty much alone. And of course once BOB was busy with their own stuff we took those towers down. I might also add that we were in RIT practically every day killing thier towers alongside goon contrary to the popular belief that we sat on our backsides for months.


OK this is false. KOS had a sh*tton of help taking care of the RISE invasion of their space, be it goons or not. As I recall, IVC was there along with another alliance. And about you being in RIT taking down their towers, it was Goon, RA, and TCF taking down those towers with a squad of 5-20 KOS in the fleet. I saw it myself. In KOSEMS and in KOS Alliance chat everyone was yelling for people to get to RIT and the most I ever saw was 30 or 40, if that many.

I bet you still can't summon a half decent fleet.

sov68n
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.12.24 01:35:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: Deaell Portt
They do not smack on local so for me they are better then Goons. Who always want u smack to dead.


That's because their leaders fine them millions of ISK if they do. The KOS leadership is a brutal oligarchy with rules set that shouldn't exist in a Removed. Do not bypass the profanity filter. Navigator game.

Waragha
Minmatar
GreenSwarm
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.24 01:39:00 - [97]
 

I can understand not liking the alt, but defending KOS? What has EVE come to :(

Come on, they are the crap of the universe? Razz

Cabal Leader
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2007.12.24 02:26:00 - [98]
 

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Khorian
Gallente
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2007.12.24 02:41:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: Amerame
Is there actually any BoB allies that ever took a station directly from the enemy ?


Yes

duckmonster
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.24 03:00:00 - [100]
 

Hey sov, your a terrible poster and quick smacking allies in public ****head. If you've got problems with KOS take it off the forums. Spy

Firkragg
Amarr
Blood Covenant
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.12.24 04:03:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: Jim Linger
Originally by: Firkragg

When we invaded AZN we knew there wasnt much chance of success as there was no way alone we could face off against BOB but we were willing to try and create a new front for BOB to take preassure off our allies. I was there when we lost the freighter but our objective of forcing bob to come deal with another system under attack was accomplished.



Was is kos or goon (or someone else) that sent like 2 unescorted freighters into azn while it was owned by bob?


Nah we took one frieghter in there but they bumped it out with a titan. Bit crap to tell the truth but was hardly devestating. Oh and ignore the sov68n posts i just called him a noob in a goon channel and he got a bit offended.

Scavok
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.24 05:49:00 - [102]
 

For some reason I thought BoB had KW- at one point, but it's been awhile and I'm probably wrong ugh

Matrixcvd
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.12.24 06:22:00 - [103]
 

i am not speaking for my alliance, I speak with my main cause thats who i am and don't need to hide behind "Teh Alt posting Corp" or groups or any conglamerate of bullshyte artists and pansies who can't speak up for what they believe in without a mask on. All you alt posters out there are just dribble and diatribe like most people in the RL. thats the rant

here to the op and to KOS

I have delt with a number of KOS officers in the past and all are stand up chaps, they run a large mixed alliance, and while they may not have the razor's edge in terms of PVP, their logistics is second to none. They control space like no other, through whatever means. If its good politics, dedication to the craft, or shear lack of RL that drives them, they hold the space others dream about. Thats the way the game is played now and they do it well. Much respect for Plasma and the CA guys that joined. Any other crap by alt posting losers is just toilet water.

Don't talk smack, cause you can't fight, don't try and get others to talk smack, cause the ones that fight know the true story. Post with your main or don't post at all...

Real Darkling
Caldari
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.12.24 07:04:00 - [104]
 

So basically what you are saying is that KOS is a lot like FIX.


nope, you can attempt to draw parallels between fix and KOS all you want. However Fix has had the nut crunching fights and have remained for many years now.

Hell I remember fighting fix back in sa days and they where a bloody good opponent (yes many have now left fix see many members of outbreak as an example) but bottom line is they earned there place.

KOS is yet to do this in the eyes of many.


OK...RISE then.

Teldi Beinew
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.24 07:07:00 - [105]
 

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Caldari
Helljumpers
Posted - 2007.12.24 09:51:00 - [106]
 

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Caldari
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GoonSwarm
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Helljumpers
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Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.12.24 12:15:00 - [109]
 

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