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Firkragg
Amarr
Blood Covenant
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.12.21 15:40:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: arghy steelwill
Edited by: arghy steelwill on 21/12/2007 08:42:47
Alot of these so called farmers just dont speak english and rat alot, sure they could turn isk into cash but they could also be doing other stuff to. Dont scream farmer at every foreign player, besides they have some pretty insane korean players who fly raven swarms that slaughter everyone- they make BE proud. Also why must every alliance form massive fleets and take space? i dont see their space under attack they could just be chilling in 0.0 and takeing a break from fleet warfare. I see KOS as a great place for a corp to get used to 0.0 as their space is secure and D-R provides a great learning experience of how 0.0 works(i.e. kills stupid ppl).


As ive said in a million KOS threads if you see farmers tell us and we will sort it. The problem is when these farmers are operating far outside our space and we dont know about it so cant get rid of them. And contrary to popular belief we do fleet stuff we just dont usually make forum posts about most of the stuff we do.

I also totally agree DR were great to have around as they were a lotta fun to fight. Now days with have -a- to play with which is also great fun as there a cool bunch of guys (cept for a couple of smacktards but every alliance has them).

Gloomy Gus
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.12.21 15:54:00 - [62]
 

I like KOS.

Tozmeister
Caldari
Digital Fury Corporation
Posted - 2007.12.21 15:59:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: arghy steelwill
Edited by: arghy steelwill on 21/12/2007 08:42:47
Alot of these so called farmers just dont speak english and rat alot, sure they could turn isk into cash but they could also be doing other stuff to. Dont scream farmer at every foreign player, besides they have some pretty insane korean players who fly raven swarms that slaughter everyone- they make BE proud. Also why must every alliance form massive fleets and take space? i dont see their space under attack they could just be chilling in 0.0 and takeing a break from fleet warfare. I see KOS as a great place for a corp to get used to 0.0 as their space is secure and D-R provides a great learning experience of how 0.0 works(i.e. kills stupid ppl).


we do kill the odd intelligent one as well.


niroshido
Caldari
Dawn of a new Empire
The Initiative.
Posted - 2007.12.21 16:07:00 - [64]
 

in spite the op is an ex-lv , and more the point, now a BOB member, he is not far from the truth. while i use my main for this i will tell of my version

KOS & LV once were friends, but LV didnt admire KOS's dictatorship, KOS's leader is infamous for his incompetance and arrogance (coincidently LV had the same, yet KOS leadership was one man). When goons finally arrived in the area, KOS couldnt take the heat and nap'd the turkey out of the coalition forces, and through incompetance, litterally left the area faster ppl would leave a hall if i started singing, needless to say KOS pos's remained behind in what can be considered a "oh god get the heck out of the area ppl!!" move. LV then KOS'd KOS (haha! ironic isnt it, there tag suits the end of a friendship)

then again i also wanted to generate this comment, before goons moved into the area, the old southern coalition was falling apart by the seams, it seemed to me that the troubles of KOS, LV, -V- were distant news, where my alliance at the time was having its own problems. The collapse of the south was not due to one alliance, but was down to the lack of commitment made by all parts of whom were considered southern coalition members. The very fact that the alliances moved farther away made it so easy for RSF to come in and pick off the weaker players first

Firkragg
Amarr
Blood Covenant
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.12.21 18:19:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Tozmeister


we do kill the odd intelligent one as well.




Yeh got me a few times although according to your killboard im doing ok isk wise on kills go me :D TBH its pretty much down to keeto hehe. As ive said before though i have a ton of respect for DR as for the msot part they were pretty cool in local and very professional.

sov68n
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.12.21 22:39:00 - [66]
 

so... why did GS&RED nap KOS in the first place?

Firkragg
Amarr
Blood Covenant
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.12.21 23:52:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: sov68n
so... why did GS&RED nap KOS in the first place?


The free cake i am reliably informed.

Jim Linger
Minmatar
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2007.12.21 23:55:00 - [68]
 

Edited by: Jim Linger on 21/12/2007 23:55:44
Originally by: sov68n
so... why did GS&RED nap KOS in the first place?

'scuse me for making the assumption you weren't in gs then

basicly, ra goon really didnt know if they were gonna win or not. it was a close back and forth war, kos was a descent chunk in the col. of the south's fleet. when they asked for a nap, it was a nice benefit to ragoon, so they accepted.

atomic dramabomb insued

(cake was also a factor)

Firkragg
Amarr
Blood Covenant
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.12.22 00:53:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Jim Linger
Edited by: Jim Linger on 21/12/2007 23:55:44
Originally by: sov68n
so... why did GS&RED nap KOS in the first place?

'scuse me for making the assumption you weren't in gs then

basicly, ra goon really didnt know if they were gonna win or not. it was a close back and forth war, kos was a descent chunk in the col. of the south's fleet. when they asked for a nap, it was a nice benefit to ragoon, so they accepted.

atomic dramabomb insued

(cake was also a factor)


LOL Jim WTF you gone all i love KOS :D Next time you swing by c3 we will greet you with cake and alcohol rather than guns honest.

Jim Linger
Minmatar
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2007.12.22 02:18:00 - [70]
 

Edited by: Jim Linger on 22/12/2007 02:18:46
Originally by: Firkragg
Originally by: Jim Linger
Edited by: Jim Linger on 21/12/2007 23:55:44
Originally by: sov68n
so... why did GS&RED nap KOS in the first place?

'scuse me for making the assumption you weren't in gs then

basicly, ra goon really didnt know if they were gonna win or not. it was a close back and forth war, kos was a descent chunk in the col. of the south's fleet. when they asked for a nap, it was a nice benefit to ragoon, so they accepted.

atomic dramabomb insued

(cake was also a factor)


LOL Jim WTF you gone all i love KOS :D Next time you swing by c3 we will greet you with cake and alcohol rather than guns honest.


i've always loved kos :-P, thats why i try to greif the carebears to the point of going back to empire ^.^
also: there's less demogod for me to argue with

StealthRavenx
Caldari
Dark Lords of Chaos
Posted - 2007.12.23 06:21:00 - [71]
 

Rolling Eyes Wow....Just...wow Rolling Eyes

Btw, Hi Jim :P

Gorvan
Minmatar
Assisted Genocide
Unprovoked Aggression
Posted - 2007.12.23 06:43:00 - [72]
 

Seems someone has been neglected, call some mental help its gonna be ok.

I was a member of KOS when in WC, and the way things are done now seem quite different in a good way.

As far of fielding pilots... we always Love Pew Pew near MP5 come and visit.

Gorvan

Vile rat
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.12.23 06:46:00 - [73]
 

Ugh THIS THREAD.

The real story is KOS basically got headshotted in WC because of poor pos setups and lost their main outpost in one day. They were basically done at that point and worked out an agreement where they would get standings for a short time while they withdrew their forces and left the war. The plan was they would go up to geminate with smash and rebuild their alliance and figure things out.

LV and co took this to mean they were switching sides which was not the case at all. They decided to set KOS - instead of just letting them leave. Things in Geminate didn't work out and KOS decided to approach RSF about coming back in and fighting LV because of what LV did as KOS was withdrawing.


Abriana Overlord
Caldari
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.23 13:09:00 - [74]
 

Alliances such as RA and Goon earned there space. I believe many do not think KOS have earned there space and have instead rode on the coat tails of peeps who have now given them space (easier than managing 345934634653 POS)

Until such time as KOS get in a serious heads up nut cruncher of a fight and win they are unlikely to get much respect from a large proportion of the eve community.

Vile rat
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.12.23 13:22:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Abriana Overlord
Alliances such as RA and Goon earned there space. I believe many do not think KOS have earned there space and have instead rode on the coat tails of peeps who have now given them space (easier than managing 345934634653 POS)

Until such time as KOS get in a serious heads up nut cruncher of a fight and win they are unlikely to get much respect from a large proportion of the eve community.


So basically what you are saying is that KOS is a lot like FIX.

Abriana Overlord
Caldari
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.23 13:37:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Vile rat
Originally by: Abriana Overlord
Alliances such as RA and Goon earned there space. I believe many do not think KOS have earned there space and have instead rode on the coat tails of peeps who have now given them space (easier than managing 345934634653 POS)

Until such time as KOS get in a serious heads up nut cruncher of a fight and win they are unlikely to get much respect from a large proportion of the eve community.


So basically what you are saying is that KOS is a lot like FIX.


nope, you can attempt to draw parallels between fix and KOS all you want. However Fix has had the nut crunching fights and have remained for many years now.

Hell I remember fighting fix back in sa days and they where a bloody good opponent (yes many have now left fix see many members of outbreak as an example) but bottom line is they earned there place.

KOS is yet to do this in the eyes of many.

Teldi Beinew
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.23 13:41:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Abriana Overlord
Alliances such as RA and Goon earned there space. I believe many do not think KOS have earned there space and have instead rode on the coat tails of peeps who have now given them space (easier than managing 345934634653 POS)

At least they aren't paying 6b/month for it.

duckmonster
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.23 13:45:00 - [78]
 

Observation: In three months BOB will not exist as a space holding entity. KOS will. Imagine that huh?

Abriana Overlord
Caldari
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.23 13:52:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Teldi Beinew
Originally by: Abriana Overlord
Alliances such as RA and Goon earned there space. I believe many do not think KOS have earned there space and have instead rode on the coat tails of peeps who have now given them space (easier than managing 345934634653 POS)

At least they aren't paying 6b/month for it.


Neither did fix

duckmonster
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.23 13:52:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: sov68n
so... why did GS&RED nap KOS in the first place?


Footsoldier view. Others might have a different idea. But heres how I see it;-

When RA + the Goons came in and one-shotted KOS's systems, RA (from the best I could tell) kind of felt a bit sorry for them and offered them a NAP to get there stuff out. Now at the time KOS would of said "Go away" had LV who was still quite the superpower come in to bail them out (see BOS for more tales of LV in this respect).

LV rather than understanding the dire unwinnable situation KOS was in , could of either gone in to bat for its next door neighbor OR accepted that KOS was in a no-win situation.

So instead they set KOS red. RA and the GOONS saw this as a pretty ****ty way to treat a friend, and offered a more protracted NAP. The KOS guys feeling justifiably outraged at their treatment by LV which was MUCH worse than RA's treatment of them (A friend who betrays you is much worse than an enemy who just does what enemys do) and started rolling with us in fleets.

And so a friendship began.

Its fashionable to kick KOS. Sure they have had farmers abusing their trust more often than most would like, and sometimes they've blown things. But they are solid and they'll stay. Simple as that.


Abriana Overlord
Caldari
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.23 13:53:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: duckmonster
Observation: In three months BOB will not exist as a space holding entity. KOS will. Imagine that huh?


Observation? I think the word you are looking for is forecast or prediction?

Teldi Beinew
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.23 13:58:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Abriana Overlord
Neither did fix


I am aware that it may feel like a long time ago but BoB did once have allies other than fix

duckmonster
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.23 14:00:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Abriana Overlord
Originally by: duckmonster
Observation: In three months BOB will not exist as a space holding entity. KOS will. Imagine that huh?


Observation? I think the word you are looking for is forecast or prediction?


naw. forecasts and predictions refer to uncertainties.

duckmonster
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.23 14:02:00 - [84]
 

Oh hey. Vile Rats take is much more likely to be accurate than mine btw, him being diplomat and all that jazz.

Abriana Overlord
Caldari
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.23 14:07:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Teldi Beinew
Originally by: Abriana Overlord
Neither did fix


I am aware that it may feel like a long time ago but BoB did once have allies other than fix


iirc the thread was about KOS. Vile attempted to draw parallels beween FIX and KOS. I responded with a view. I fail to see the relevance of your post to this thread

Teldi Beinew
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.23 14:11:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Abriana Overlord
iirc the thread was about KOS. Vile attempted to draw parallels beween FIX and KOS. I responded with a view. I fail to see the relevance of your post to this thread

the relevance is that kos has far more dignity than the alliances bob chose to surround itself with could ever muster

kos is also unlike most of those in that it still holds space

Deaell Portt
Gallente
V O O D O O
Posted - 2007.12.23 14:13:00 - [87]
 

KOS space are good training ground to recon pilots. Most ppl in KOS are alt chars to make money. But i saw good pvpers in KOS too not only carebears. They do not smack on local so for me they are better then Goons. Who always want u smack to dead.

Sycosys
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.23 16:33:00 - [88]
 

I heart ISK farmers.

Jim Linger
Minmatar
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2007.12.23 18:45:00 - [89]
 

Trolling removed. Please stay on topic - Navigator

Scavok
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.23 19:07:00 - [90]
 

Edited by: Scavok on 23/12/2007 19:38:24
Originally by: Abriana Overlord
Originally by: Teldi Beinew
Originally by: Abriana Overlord
Alliances such as RA and Goon earned there space. I believe many do not think KOS have earned there space and have instead rode on the coat tails of peeps who have now given them space (easier than managing 345934634653 POS)

At least they aren't paying 6b/month for it.


Neither did fix


lol FIX doesn't pay rent

*gives away FIX's most valuable constellation to pay mercenary bills*

Anyway, KOS probably couldn't have taken their space without us, and we probably could have taken our space without them. But they've always sent support when we ask, often when we don't ask. Besides having 2 out of 3 outposts taken by BoB at one point, they didn't whine, failure cascade, or run back to empire, despite the game being utterly broken. They just waited and took them back when the time was right.

They were the only alliance besides the core RSF+UNL alliances that attempted to help when we were on the edge of collapse by fruitlessly spamming towers in AZN; just like everything else during those times their freighter full of POS gear was bowled out of their staging POS by an untouchable titan and blown up, but the towers they did get down bought us a few days closer to the titan nerf. All of the bandwagon alliances had unsurprisingly long vanished by this point.

They also held out against RISE+several random pets spamming and sieging one of their outposts for over a month, keeping them from boosting BoB's numbers significantly while we were busy with them in Tenerifis and Omist. They only had random and unreliable support from us during this time.

They may have had their space in Tenerifis mostly handed over to them when ISS and LV fell apart, but they've earned it a few times over since then entirely thanks to their own efforts. Nobody and everybody earned the space in Paragon Soul and Esoteria, they deserve their space there as much as anyone else who contributed to beating BoB in Tenerifis, Omist, and Feyth.


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