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Jacquelin Ayalin
Posted - 2007.12.17 07:25:00 - [1]
 

Call this a rant because thats what it is likely going to be.

Ive been playing EVE for just over 2 weeks.

Briefly, I was podkilled tonight, not once, but twice in a .4 and a .6 system (trying to get my things to my new corporation HQs.

To make matters worse, I wasnt fully aware about how clones work so I lost a couple of days of training along with two Haulers and about 5 mil in cargo and ship addons.

Sure, the tutorial mentions clones in a little 5 second blurb, but I completely forgot about them as I was still trying to learn all the other aspects of the game.

I was totally tapped out of funds but luckily was able to get what I call a loan to help with the situation (but still money I have to return).

Why the 'F' doesnt the game default with the way points using the safest route? I only discovered this a awhile ago while trying to figure out if I could plan a safer route.

I also want to take this time to add that, you people who podkill are poor pathetic souls with small ego's IRL so you have to get your jollies making life miserable for those that just want to kill NPC's, craft, or in my case, mining.

So, I hope it makes you feel better that you destroyed both my Hoarders. Woohoo. You got 30 seconds of feel goodness and Im miserable the next few days trying to simply recover.

Oh, and lets not forget bounties. What point is there in upping the bounty on these people when their bounty is already at 1 billion ISK? I have absolutely no recourse, nor the funds to even add to the bounty.

CCP might have lost a player had I needed to spend more than a couple of days to recoupe all my losses.

Change the defaults to use the safest route when planning a route and create a nag screen to warn me when a clone is out of date. That wouldve at least forced me to look into the matter more closely.

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2007.12.17 07:30:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: MotherMoon on 17/12/2007 07:30:46
your new corp your joining can go kill the guy that killed you, you now have kill rights, and trust me if they killed you in one spot I bet 7 to 10 they are still there.

so get help and kill them make the ******* pay!

also when I joined a new corporation my new corpmates helped me out my flying with me.
We never let a hualer go unprotected unless they are in a blockade runner.

next time fit stabs for turning speed and warp cores.

I'm sorry about the clone thing. it should warn the player once when you start if your going to a low sec system without an updatd clone.

but yeah why were your corpmates not flying with you?

also why can't you attack them back?
do what our alliance does, you set them to red and tey become KIA, that way for killing you the backlash in getting on a whole corps red list.

There are lots of things you can do, I'm sorry it happen to you, it's happen to me.

but you can set them to red and go after them!

also the bounty system is hopefully going to get remade soon. we'll see if they ever come through with that.

p.s.(don't listen to any replys about a scout, you shouldn't need two accounts to play this game)

Drasked
North Face Force
Posted - 2007.12.17 07:32:00 - [3]
 

your stuff?

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2007.12.17 07:41:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Drasked
your stuff?


quiet you

Zinras
Caldari
Order of draugr
Posted - 2007.12.17 07:44:00 - [5]
 

It requires very little of you to keep your clone up to date and I do believe the tutorial encourages you to buy a clone (or at least it used to?) once it's mentioned as a possibility. Also, you should have gotten a warning when entering the 0.4 system that says "omg don't go here if you're not ready to lose you ship".

EVE can be harsh and while I don't know about the situation in the 0.6 system, the 0.4 one is your own fault for entering. High sec does not mean "safe" as well, it means "people will lose their own ship if they shoot at you".

If you actually had to fly through low sec, I don't understand why your corpmates didn't escort you. If you didn't have to go through low sec, you could have asked about the warning you got at the low sec gate.. It might sound a little harsh but there's a reason why people say "don't fly what you can't afford to lose".

Just be glad that you had it happen to you early on and didn't lose a bigger and uninsured ship like some of us have done Wink

Micia
Minmatar
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Circle-Of-Two
Posted - 2007.12.17 07:52:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Micia on 17/12/2007 07:52:30
Originally by: Jacquelin Ayalin
To make matters worse, I wasnt fully aware about how clones work so I lost a couple of days of training along with two Haulers and about 5 mil in cargo and ship addons.

CCP might have lost a player had I needed to spend more than a couple of days to recoupe all my losses.



Could be worse. ugh

I lost a million skillpoints (roughly a month's training to recover from, at the time), several ships, and an Outpost... pretty much in one night.

It's a rough world out there. While you're definitely angry, it sounds like you learned a few things during it all. Better now than later, I'd say.

Originally by: Jacquelin Ayalin
and a .6 system


How'd you get pod-killed in a 0.6? Is your corp/alliance at war?

If so, they should have warned you of the possible repercussions before letting you join, you being a younger pilot.

At any rate... regardless of whether you think the mechanics work well or not (there's a forum further down for gameplay suggestions), keep in mind what you've learned so far.

Amanda Wilkins
Caldari
Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish
Big Bang Quantum
Posted - 2007.12.17 09:08:00 - [7]
 

Why did you not after loosing one hoarder get a scout with you? I agree a lot with comments along the line of "your new corp should have helped you".

Amanda

Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
Posted - 2007.12.17 09:13:00 - [8]
 

Amanda Wilkins wins "best corp name award" for December of 2007.


Kira Direll
Niflhel
Posted - 2007.12.17 12:46:00 - [9]
 

your new corp: with a 20% tax-rate and 45 members they _really_ should have helped you.

anyway, i hope you get up again and learn to adapt.

Kehmor
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.12.17 12:50:00 - [10]
 

congrats. you just finished the "getting podded" tutorial. takes some players even longer. I'm currently 4 years into my tutorial.

Kailea Shandrasekkar
Chor Tempest
Posted - 2007.12.17 13:03:00 - [11]
 

As a fellow player that was bashed for good only a couple days after i created my first char, i'm really sorry for what happened to you, Jacquelin.

Also, i agree with some posters - this is a valuable lesson that'll help you later in the game; it's hard to find the perfect corp for you, and a corp that accepts newbie players is bound to provide at least some basic security for its members.

EVE doesn't have a steep learning curve, it's a freakin' Himalaya. Bit by bit, you'll get there. And then you'll properly savour what EVE have to offer.

Ace Garpy
Caldari
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.12.17 13:06:00 - [12]
 

I have been playing eve on an off for 3 years now. The game is packed full of little details. I am fully aware I don't know everything about the game and that what makes it so entertaining.

I concentrate on my section of the world and pick up new things as I go along.


Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
Posted - 2007.12.17 13:07:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Cpt Branko on 17/12/2007 13:08:20
Originally by: Kailea Shandrasekkar
As a fellow player that was bashed for good only a couple days after i created my first char, i'm really sorry for what happened to you, Jacquelin.

Also, i agree with some posters - this is a valuable lesson that'll help you later in the game; it's hard to find the perfect corp for you, and a corp that accepts newbie players is bound to provide at least some basic security for its members.

EVE doesn't have a steep learning curve, it's a freakin' Himalaya. Bit by bit, you'll get there. And then you'll properly savour what EVE have to offer.


This, basically.

I think I *may* have introduced a few new players to EvE low-sec life yesterday, but I don't remember any Hoarders.

Two tips, though:
1) Update your clone. Always.
2) Don't ever ever carry skillbooks around with you. Especially not to low-sec. I've got gallente cruiser & BS skillbooks yesterday from a guy ratting in a dessy in 0.4. Which is nice loot for me, but a pointless loss for him.

Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
Posted - 2007.12.17 13:07:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Verone on 17/12/2007 13:08:15
Originally by: Jacquelin Ayalin

Why the 'F' doesnt the game default with the way points using the safest route? I only discovered this a awhile ago while trying to figure out if I could plan a safer route.

I also want to take this time to add that, you people who podkill are poor pathetic souls with small ego's IRL so you have to get your jollies making life miserable for those that just want to kill NPC's, craft, or in my case, mining.


rofl. Laughing

You'll find that Eve is much different to the games you've played in the past.

99.9% of games will hold your hand, give you pointers, advice and help. They'll tell you that you're the hero and you're the one who's going to save the world. Then they'll guide you to your ultimate destiny as the saviour of the kingdom.

Eve takes you by the scruff of the neck and drags you into it's world. It introduces you as the little guy, the speck of dust among a million others. Once it's busted your morale that way, it kicks you flat on your arse in the mud. As you try to get up, it kicks you right back down again, asking you why it should let you get back up and why you think you're better or more deserving of being back on your feet than anyone else.

To survive, you need to give it an answer instead of complaining, or you'll end up flat on your arse in the mud again.

Eve isn't about who can kill the most people, NPC's, mine the most roids, or research the most blueprints.

It's about building stuff, not modules and ships. It's about getting to know people, building circles of business partners, trust and a reputation.

Eve is a very social game, look for loyalty hard enough and you find it by the truckload. However, you need to remember that the game centers around bettering yourself, and personal gain, sometimes and more often at cost to others.

Always remember that for every single person you find who is loyal to you, there's another ten out there ready to step on your face rather than look at you to get ahead in the rat race.

Every aspect of Eve revolves around PvP. Whether it's getting the newest goods to the market first for the highest profit over competitors, or undercutting their prices to steal their corner of the market. Maybe it's working as a mercenary to kill other players for a price, or prowling around border regions looking for easy pickings on trade routes and unsecure mining spots.

Corporations have gone to war in Eve over the smallest things, including industrial corps who hire mercenaries on eachother to disrupt operations if they feel someone is trying to curb their market profit.

Really, If you're assuming that you're ever safe in Eve once you burn free of the docking ramps, it might be hard to accept, but you're wrong on even the most fundemental level.

In Eve, there is no "safe". Only consequence.

If you need help understanding this, or getting to grips with game mechanics, send me and Eve-Mail in game if you'd like help.


xJohnnyDx
Phoibe Enterprises
SOLAR WING
Posted - 2007.12.17 13:30:00 - [15]
 

Wow Verone, great analogy. Seriously, superb.

I think I'm going to bookmark this thread just so I can link some of our newer guys that join.

Kilabi
Minmatar
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2007.12.17 13:32:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Kilabi on 17/12/2007 13:32:29
I wish the poster 2 posts above me were my CEO Sad

Ohh he is Very Happy

The first month in EVE are hard. I lost my shiney new rupture 2h after i got it. Of course in low sec while ratting. But back then i was 3 weeks old and had no clue what was going on around me. After a while you will love it or leave it.

But when you return to hunting dire rats in a dungeon to save the kingdome you will see there is no game which can offer you the freedom to do what ever you want like eve and no game which can give you the pleasure and excitment in reaching your goals.




Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
Posted - 2007.12.17 13:34:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Kilabi

I wish the poster 2 posts above me were my CEO Sad

Ohh he is Very Happy


Back in your cage, minion! Very Happy


Thuul'Khalat
Gallente
Veto Corp
Posted - 2007.12.17 13:46:00 - [18]
 

Verone wins the forum today YARRRR!!

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2007.12.17 13:51:00 - [19]
 

**** and i used to play games where you lost xp when you died every time. (then again all the stuff that you had with you didn't go poof in a shiny flash of light)

if you have been playing jsut over 2 weeks you lost at most what 300k sp? (thats what 1.2mil -> 900k) 300k is about a week with some learning skills? ok that does suck but now you know to upgrade your clone, some people only learn after losing a few million sps.

as for safest route i think i remember the tutorial mentioning auto pilot settings. although that was a while ago so it may have changed. anyways note that you get a nice little warning before jumping into .4, or lower, systems.

and if pod killing is for the poor pathetic ones, i guess that makes just about every pvp corp out there pathetic. you say you are a miner, guess who your customers are Laughing

Ed Anger
Weekly World News
Derek Knows Us
Posted - 2007.12.17 14:01:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: MotherMoon
the new corp youre joining can go kill the guy that killed you, you now have kill rights, and trust me if they killed you in one spot I bet 7 to 10 they are still there.

so get help and kill them make the ******* pay!

also when I joined a new corporation my new corpmates helped me out my flying with me.
We never let a hualer go unprotected unless they are in a blockade runner.

next time fit stabs for turning speed and warp cores.

I'm sorry about the clone thing. it should warn the player once when you start if your going to a low sec system without an updatd clone.

but yeah why were your corpmates not flying with you?

also why can't you attack them back?
do what our alliance does, you set them to red and tey become KIA, that way for killing you the backlash in getting on a whole corps red list.


this, get revenge ;) and consider it a learning experience. losing a couple days is no big deal, if you stay to play eve youll be thinking in months, not days, of training. and now you know.


Fifth Horseman
Posted - 2007.12.17 14:13:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Fifth Horseman on 17/12/2007 14:12:56
The Verone thing is pretty accurate.
With one huge problem.

Alts.

No matter what you do, who you do it to, where you do it, when you did it or even if you did it, there's always a very high chance that either you, him or both of you were alts. Their is no consequence in a game where you don't know who is who. Unless you're stupid enough to use your main.

Never buy or sell with your main. Never PvP with your main, never post on the forums with your main, all your main should do is sit in an NPC corp doing research industry and running missions. Then train your market alt, and your pvp alt.

Alt alt altatty alt. That's all Eve is. Alts & Accounts: Online.

ISD Valorem


Amarr
ISD STAR
Posted - 2007.12.17 14:15:00 - [22]
 

Moved from General Discussion

Cruthensis
Gallente
Xeno Tech Corp
Self Destruct.
Posted - 2007.12.17 14:26:00 - [23]
 

Yeah, back luck and all that, however arrange the following words into a well-known phrase and that's pretty much what we have here:

of survival fittest the


Eve is a cruel Mistress.

decoherance
Gallente
40 htz
Posted - 2007.12.17 14:56:00 - [24]
 

I feel your pain but I cant offer any sympathy tbh.
I too have only been playing for a few weeks but the two things that have been most important to me have been to make sure my ship is insured and my clone is up to date, ESP if I'm flying in low sec.
I got pod killed for the first time the other night in 0.2 and it was absolutly terrifying but my vexor was insured for more than it was worth and my clone was up to date so no loss.
Sure the tutorial barely scratches the surface but insurance and clones are the 2 things I made sure I knew about. EVE is a dangerous place and if your not prepared for an attack around every corner then its your own fault tbh. In a game like this the first thing you need to be asking yourself is "What happens if I get killed?"

Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
Posted - 2007.12.17 15:29:00 - [25]
 

I was podded the first day playing Eve (been playing about 3 weeks), though I knew it was coming. Unlike many it seems I went out of my way to go to 0.0 space knowing full well what to expect. Went in my starter ship (best way to learn really), appeared inside a warp bubble, 5 seconds later ship & pod were gone.

I'm going to be gutted when I lose my first proper ship, and I know it will come sooner or later, but so long as it's not the result of my own stupidity (falling for an obvious scam) then I can't be too cut up about it - it's the nature of the game.

Having come from other MMOs where there was little or no death penalty Eve seems so far to be a breath of fresh air. How much excitement can you really have when nothing is on the line?

heheheh
Phoenix Club
Posted - 2007.12.17 15:32:00 - [26]
 

just another victim.

Modrak Vseth
Veto.
Posted - 2007.12.17 15:38:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Verone
If you need help understanding this, or getting to grips with game mechanics, send me and Eve-Mail in game if you'd like help.




Careful, Verone's growing a heart. <3

He speaks the truth. You have to WANT to survive in this game and take the appropriate measures to ensure that you do. It's rough at first trying to figure out the tricks to survival, but it's much better that you learn these lessons when you're still young (ingame of course) and the repercussions are "light", as in your case. You may have missed the part in the tutorial about the importance of updating your clone, but NOW you know and hopefully you won't make the same mistake when you have millions and millions of SP. You may have missed the warning about how dangerous it can be when heading into lowsec, but NOW you know and hopefully you'll prepare better next time. They're life lessons: learn, adapt and survive.

MirrorGod
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.12.17 16:47:00 - [28]
 

I can has your stuff?


In all seriousness tho, Verone has said it best. EvE is the cruelest of games, but that's the fun of it.

Wind Ictiva
Delta Kappa Gamma
Posted - 2007.12.17 16:50:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Jacquelin Ayalin

Ive been playing EVE for just over 2 weeks.

To make matters worse, I wasnt fully aware about how clones work so I lost a couple of days of training




Questionafter 2 weeks? i thought the default clone retained more spīs than you can get in 2 weeks. but i guess i was wrong.

Originally by: Jacquelin Ayalin


I also want to take this time to add that, you people who podkill are poor pathetic souls with small ego's IRL so you have to get your jollies making life miserable for those that just want to kill NPC's, craft, or in my case, mining.

So, I hope it makes you feel better that you destroyed both my Hoarders. Woohoo. You got 30 seconds of feel goodness and Im miserable the next few days trying to simply recover.




CLASSICVery Happy

Trishan
Green Men Incorporated
Posted - 2007.12.17 17:14:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Trishan on 17/12/2007 17:14:40
Originally by: Jacquelin Ayalin

To make matters worse, I wasnt fully aware about how clones work so I lost a couple of days of training along with two Haulers and about 5 mil in cargo and ship addons.

Sure, the tutorial mentions clones in a little 5 second blurb, but I completely forgot about them as I was still trying to learn all the other aspects of the game.


Not paying attention has severe consequences in this game.

Originally by: Jacquelin Ayalin

Why the 'F' doesnt the game default with the way points using the safest route? I only discovered this a awhile ago while trying to figure out if I could plan a safer route.


Autopilot Kills.
Originally by: Jacquelin Ayalin

I also want to take this time to add that, you people who podkill are poor pathetic souls with small ego's IRL so you have to get your jollies making life miserable for those that just want to kill NPC's, craft, or in my case, mining.


If someone pod kills you they aren't making your life miserable. Its your choice to feel miserable.
Originally by: Jacquelin Ayalin

So, I hope it makes you feel better that you destroyed both my Hoarders. Woohoo. You got 30 seconds of feel goodness and Im miserable the next few days trying to simply recover.


If it makes you feel better it was probably a "meh hauler" experience. Although I gotta wonder how's that you were piloting both haulers at the same time through low sec. Cause you didn't lose one and attempt to fly the other through, did you?
Originally by: Jacquelin Ayalin

Oh, and lets not forget bounties. What point is there in upping the bounty on these people when their bounty is already at 1 billion ISK? I have absolutely no recourse, nor the funds to even add to the bounty.


Bounties are broken, and have been so forever. Just like other stuff. You gotta learn to live with it. As far as for recourse, get your corp mates and go kill the ebil piwates.
Originally by: Jacquelin Ayalin

CCP might have lost a player had I needed to spend more than a couple of days to recoupe all my losses.


Get used to it. Even in high sec you aren't safe from losses. You'll face suicide gankers and wardecs.
Originally by: Jacquelin Ayalin

Change the defaults to use the safest route when planning a route and create a nag screen to warn me when a clone is out of date. That wouldve at least forced me to look into the matter more closely.

You already have your nag screen saying that its low sec and blah blah when you attempt to jump in. And you have a couple of red dots when its low sec in the route.

BTW, bottle your tears. People find them delicious over here.


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