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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2007.12.12 06:37:00 - [1]
 

Was this really needed? CCP has deemed fit to remove wrecks from showing up on your long range scanner. I'm not going to explain why this is a nerf. All the smart guys will figure it out. All the stupid ones will be left wondering.

What do the rest of you guys think about this?

me bored
Posted - 2007.12.12 06:40:00 - [2]
 

I'll live.

techzer0
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.12.12 06:54:00 - [3]
 

This is thread number nine thousand on the subject... but yeah, sucks when figuring out how close to finishing a mission someone is. Neutral

Arekhon
Eternal Perseverance
B A N E
Posted - 2007.12.12 06:57:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Arekhon on 12/12/2007 06:57:44
EVE: the pvp game where pve players whine and get their way.

gotta protect the lowsec mission runners somehow without ruining their glorious probing system.Rolling Eyes





Bellum Eternus
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2007.12.12 07:12:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: techzer0
This is thread number nine thousand on the subject... but yeah, sucks when figuring out how close to finishing a mission someone is. Neutral


Really? AFAIK, this hasn't been brought up. Could you point me to some threads where this is mentioned? As in, the change? Not people whining about getting their wrecks looted etc.

Shadow Engineer
Ctrl Alt Elites
Posted - 2007.12.12 07:34:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Originally by: techzer0
This is thread number nine thousand on the subject... but yeah, sucks when figuring out how close to finishing a mission someone is. Neutral


Really? AFAIK, this hasn't been brought up. Could you point me to some threads where this is mentioned? As in, the change? Not people whining about getting their wrecks looted etc.


First I'm hearing about it.

Bellum Eternus
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2007.12.12 07:45:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Shadow Engineer
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Originally by: techzer0
This is thread number nine thousand on the subject... but yeah, sucks when figuring out how close to finishing a mission someone is. Neutral


Really? AFAIK, this hasn't been brought up. Could you point me to some threads where this is mentioned? As in, the change? Not people whining about getting their wrecks looted etc.


First I'm hearing about it.


That's kinda what I thought, hence the post. Shocked

techzer0
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.12.12 07:49:00 - [8]
 

lol, sorry for the sarcasm (not really Very Happy)

It's about the third whine thread in here, have yet to see any announcement or anything from a Dev about it. Guessing it's another stealth nerf Sad

Iwishai Wazahero
Posted - 2007.12.12 08:24:00 - [9]
 

Ok speaking as someone that was an outlaw constantly from 04 - 06 and has now returned to the game (with a poo char and skills Very Happy)

WTF are you smoking !!

Pirating is so much simpler nowadays it's untrue, nerfed my ass ugh

#Solo perma sentry tanking now so much easier with rigs
#Warp stab nerf, Need I say more !! Most mission nubs and highsec folk DO NOT wear stabs.
#Pirating in highsec is now a piece of **** for non outlaws due to can flagging.
#Probing.... lol, Just lol. It's no longer a skill where having a good prober in your corp was an asset. Now you just need a trained monkey and tada

So tell me, how is pirating nerfed ?........ Confused


Iwishai

Bellum Eternus
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2007.12.12 08:46:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Iwishai Wazahero
Ok speaking as someone that was an outlaw constantly from 04 - 06 and has now returned to the game (with a poo char and skills Very Happy)

WTF are you smoking !!

Pirating is so much simpler nowadays it's untrue, nerfed my ass ugh

#Solo perma sentry tanking now so much easier with rigs
#Warp stab nerf, Need I say more !! Most mission nubs and highsec folk DO NOT wear stabs.
#Pirating in highsec is now a piece of **** for non outlaws due to can flagging.
#Probing.... lol, Just lol. It's no longer a skill where having a good prober in your corp was an asset. Now you just need a trained monkey and tada

So tell me, how is pirating nerfed ?........ Confused


Iwishai


Point by point- rigs increase tanks, it's a dual edged sword. Now target tanks can't be broken by a single ship of the same class, much less a solo ship of smaller class. Hence, nerf to piracy- you need 2-3 guys to take down one target.

WCS nerf- what are *you* smoking? I get guys with not just one, but TWO or THREE stabs fit, all the time. Running missions. It's silly.

Can flagging? Won't get much pirating done there. I've tried it. A lot. Most of them would watch you kill their mothers rather than take back their loot. They're that chicken.

Probing- while it's better in some respects, it's far from 'easy'. Probes have been nerfed so much, you have to resort to the wrong type of probe to get any results in a timely fashion. And this is assuming you can get into probe range in the first place. 20 AU probes are nearly worthless, and they turned our 100 AU probes into 40 AU.

Pesadel0
the muppets
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2007.12.12 09:09:00 - [11]
 

I maybe be unlucky but i never scaned the wreaks ,i always pick up the drones,either way it is alot harder to scan down a guy doing missions but i will live.

Alanna Kereshkova
Posted - 2007.12.12 09:23:00 - [12]
 

I laugh every time I see a post that declares Eve a PvP game. There is infinately more to eve than blowing stuff up.

What made me PML here was the whine that you couldn't Rolling EyesLaughingLaughingRazz

Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
Posted - 2007.12.12 09:28:00 - [13]
 

The thing bothering me is that it's not in the bloody patch notes or anything. It just went poof.

Arekhon
Eternal Perseverance
B A N E
Posted - 2007.12.12 09:55:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Alanna Kereshkova
I laugh every time I see a post that declares Eve a PvP game. There is infinately more to eve than blowing stuff up.

What made me PML here was the whine that you couldn't Rolling EyesLaughingLaughingRazz


I never said there was not more to the game. However when a mojority of the people that play this game pvp, I'd say that makes it soWink. Also this 'more to eve stuff" that you refer to is also talked about in the F.A.Q. as "basic gameplay"Laughing




Tasuric Orka
Antares Fleet Yards
Molotov Coalition
Posted - 2007.12.12 10:01:00 - [15]
 

How about you probe for.. "raven" instead?

Zhett Haukes
Mutually Assured Distraction
Posted - 2007.12.12 10:04:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Tasuric Orka
How about you probe for.. "raven" instead?


Not quite sure you understand the problem.

Has anyone considered that it *could* be a bug? We can hope right?

Gaven Blands
Caldari
Cosmic Fusion
Systematic-Chaos
Posted - 2007.12.12 10:22:00 - [17]
 

The Need For Less Server Spend requires us to make certain sacrifices. Gameplay not being the only one.

Grunanca
Final Agony
B A N E
Posted - 2007.12.12 10:33:00 - [18]
 

The fact that mission runners are so hard to probe is just good... Makes more come in, and fit stabs less often. now that you cant see how far people are in missions, you will just have to stay around more to see when people leave for the mission.

I have killed 3 mission runners the last 12 hours, one was a raven 11.6 AU away I hit with a 20AU probe. got in 45km from him. It is doable if you have the patience.

Kehmor
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.12.12 10:36:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Iwishai Wazahero
Ok speaking as someone that was an outlaw constantly from 04 - 06 and has now returned to the game (with a poo char and skills Very Happy)

WTF are you smoking !!

Pirating is so much simpler nowadays it's untrue, nerfed my ass ugh

#Solo perma sentry tanking now so much easier with rigs
#Warp stab nerf, Need I say more !! Most mission nubs and highsec folk DO NOT wear stabs.
#Pirating in highsec is now a piece of **** for non outlaws due to can flagging.
#Probing.... lol, Just lol. It's no longer a skill where having a good prober in your corp was an asset. Now you just need a trained monkey and tada

So tell me, how is pirating nerfed ?........ Confused


Iwishai


well...

sentry guns are easier to tank? they used to not exist.

warp stab nerf? they are still worn by haulers, and now there are haulers with inbuilt stabs.

hisec piracy? concord used to only show up occasionally and you could kill them.

probing? missions often used to take place at gates/planets/belts and spots were reused.



Kehmor
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.12.12 10:37:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Kehmor on 12/12/2007 10:39:10
Originally by: Alanna Kereshkova
I laugh every time I see a post that declares Eve a PvP game. There is infinately more to eve than blowing stuff up.

What made me PML here was the whine that you couldn't Rolling EyesLaughingLaughingRazz


and there is infinately more to pvp than blowing stuff up. Eve is meant to be a pvp game and is for the most part. Deadspace missions in hi-sec are the closest it gets to a pve game.


As for those who think we are whining because we some how probed for wrecks.... WTS a clue. I don't pirate anymore but this is indeed a lame stealth nerf.

James Sheridan
Posted - 2007.12.12 10:57:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Bellum Eternus

Can flagging? Won't get much pirating done there. I've tried it. A lot. Most of them would watch you kill their mothers rather than take back their loot. They're that chicken.



Completley, baiting the inexperienced to steal your cans by calling it 'free ore' or equally pathetic tactics while you sit in a fitted PVP ship makes them 'chicken'
If you want PVP go and shoot up other PVP jockies rather than get in a hissy fit because you no longer have the ability to gank people who cant, wont or dont want to PVP.

techzer0
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.12.12 11:05:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Kehmor
As for those who think we are whining because we some how probed for wrecks.... WTS a clue. I don't pirate anymore but this is indeed a lame stealth nerf.
Yep, that about says it. I would run a directional scan for wrecks, to make sure the target is in a mission and not safe spotted, never got a hit on a wreck with a probe though. Alway it was a drone or the ship itself.

Can still run probes, and can still get results, but it's been getting harder to get hits without maxed skills. Deadspace missions are definitely not probe friendly from over 10au, and the ideal range is within 4au where you can use the slower but more successful exploration probes.

Rellik B00n
Posted - 2007.12.12 11:07:00 - [23]
 

which is why you see a thread in here about once a week from an ex-pirate corp stating "mercs for hire."

im not surprised no one updates the merc list anymore it would be a never ending job.

low sec = route to 0.0 and thats about it.

Evil or Very Mad

Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.12.12 11:17:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Iwishai Wazahero
speaking as someone that was an outlaw constantly from 04 - 06



I call BS.

Sarkkon
Posted - 2007.12.12 11:19:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Sarkkon on 12/12/2007 11:22:37
Removing wrecks does help protect the low sec mission runners i guess. It also hurts the salvagers that look for fights that happened at plants (lots of t2 salvage is lost now as these wrecks will never be found and warring parties are usually too occupied to salvage)

Gate wrecks are easily found and salvaged , but i have found over 300 mil of t2 salvage at planets and in belts just by noticing wrecks on scanner as i traveled. No more.

One used to be able to tell if those 1/10 and 2/10 plexes had been recently run by cheking scanner to see if the boss wrecks were on scanner...

Again of little interest to piracy...but justa couple examplex of how these stealth changes work across a broad spectrum of eve.
And a determined prober can find those mission runners anyway (most of the time at least)

Joie Mains
Vindicator A Team
Posted - 2007.12.12 11:19:00 - [26]
 

its fun hows there prety no much point on piracy left

belt piracy dead
gates camping is gay and ofc u need mom to do that
and now this .. i glad that i fix my sec status

Awox
Minmatar
North Eastern Swat
Posted - 2007.12.12 11:29:00 - [27]
 

Well what do you expect. CCP want $$$ not an awesome game.

Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
Posted - 2007.12.12 11:45:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Joie Mains

belt piracy dead



It isn't. Often a lack of targets, but it's not dead.

Originally by: Joie Mains

gates camping is gay and ofc u need mom to do that



(a) The advent of HICs make Mothership gatecamping risky.
(b) In no way you need a Mothership to gatecamp. Battlecruisers do just fine, in fact.


Originally by: Joie Mains
and now this .. i glad that i fix my sec status


It's not a *crippling* nerf, although a nerf it is.

Xtro 2
Caldari
El Bastardos
EVESpace
Posted - 2007.12.12 11:47:00 - [29]
 

The legend known as World Of EveCraft continues.

Joie Mains
Vindicator A Team
Posted - 2007.12.12 11:54:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Joie Mains

belt piracy dead



It isn't. Often a lack of targets, but it's not dead.

Originally by: Joie Mains

gates camping is gay and ofc u need mom to do that



(a) The advent of HICs make Mothership gatecamping risky.
(b) In no way you need a Mothership to gatecamp. Battlecruisers do just fine, in fact.


Originally by: Joie Mains
and now this .. i glad that i fix my sec status


It's not a *crippling* nerf, although a nerf it is.


ohh yeah belt piracy is dead
and u need mom to be cool
and that was ironic pist btw



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