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Ulstan
Posted - 2007.12.12 20:35:00 - [31]
 

Quote:
Caldari: the logical step in the gun-boat line Merlin-Moa-Ferox-Rokh


Actually, it's the first step in the gunboat line that doesn't suck.

Lyria: Amarr have problems, but don't you think you'd do better by making a well thought out comprehensive thread? Spamming the forums with whine threads (5th one I've read today, I think?) isn't going to get you far.

Bruce Deorum
Minmatar
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.12 20:53:00 - [32]
 

The Amarr can be "ooompf"ooosted a bit just by replacing the cap usage bonus on most laser platforms with a cap recharge rate bonus.

Ironically, this bonus is introduced by the devs on platforms not designed (or re-designed) specifically as laser boats! Like the current Khanid II Sacrilege and the new Sentinel EAS.

Many other ships could benefit by such a bonus, making them at least viable good tankers.

All-out gankers like the Abaddon could also be helped by re-balancing the "Controlled Bursts" skill effects on Lasers - as I've stated in a very similar thread already. Surely the Abaddon would be overpowered if it could multiply its "ganking" ability, but some boost is surely needed, as it's primarily used as a close range ganker, and similar BSs got boosted recently Rolling Eyes

It also lacks the Drones a Geddon or a Mega gets, so lasers are practically it's only offence.

The Geddon is fine...The Apoc is "better than nothing" for prolonged snipping and perhaps as a "forgiving" - easy to fit PvE BS, but far from effective most of the times. A cap recharge and an optimal range bonus would be nice, tho all other races get a "cross" platform. All Amarr BSs are laser platforms, while the Rokh, Domi and Typhoon are getting at least 1 bonus that differs from the norm of their race.

Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Gunship Diplomacy
Posted - 2007.12.12 21:00:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Paulo Damarr
@ Lyria Skydancer

How many different whine threads are you going to start? 3 different topics on the first 2 pages so far. why dont you save some time and just post a thread saying "EVE sucks and everything needs nerfing" instead of doing it one perceived issue at a time.


Amarr whine post detected, activate counter-flame-whiner:

-Derail thread by talking about other threads. Check.
-Personal attacks to derail thread. Check
-Post with alt so ingame main char doesnt get bad rep for crap you write on eve-o. Check

Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Gunship Diplomacy
Posted - 2007.12.12 21:03:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Ulstan
Quote:
Caldari: the logical step in the gun-boat line Merlin-Moa-Ferox-Rokh


Actually, it's the first step in the gunboat line that doesn't suck.

Lyria: Amarr have problems, but don't you think you'd do better by making a well thought out comprehensive thread? Spamming the forums with whine threads (5th one I've read today, I think?) isn't going to get you far.


Both me and shin have made several posts with numbers, statistics and resoning. Everything is pretty much shot down, flamed and after 10 posts drowned in personal attacks. You know we are only human too and there is a limit to our patience aswell.

So we now make shorter posts to reach out to the mentally challenged that cant read longer then 10 rows of text.

Ulstan
Posted - 2007.12.12 21:33:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Ulstan


Lyria: Amarr have problems, but don't you think you'd do better by making a well thought out comprehensive thread? Spamming the forums with whine threads (5th one I've read today, I think?) isn't going to get you far.


Both me and shin have made several posts with numbers, statistics and resoning. Everything is pretty much shot down, flamed and after 10 posts drowned in personal attacks. You know we are only human too and there is a limit to our patience aswell.

So we now make shorter posts to reach out to the mentally challenged that cant read longer then 10 rows of text.


Well remember, your target audience isn't other players, it's the developers.

Dillius Archania
Amarr
Posted - 2007.12.13 01:58:00 - [36]
 

The developers don't read this anyhow. If they did we wouldn't still be hear complaining for the past year.

I don't believe the bonus itself is a problem, lasers should simply have damage enough that they are worth actually using on boats that get this cap use reduction.

shinsushi
Posted - 2007.12.13 02:00:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Dillius Archania
The developers don't read this anyhow. If they did we wouldn't still be hear complaining for the past year.

I don't believe the bonus itself is a problem, lasers should simply have damage enough that they are worth actually using on boats that get this cap use reduction.


See thats the problem.

If you boost laser damage, something needs to be done about the geddon, abaddon and the harbinger.

If you boost ship damage, something needs to be done about laser cap usage.

There needs to be a guideline. Should pulse boats outdamage blasters?? no!
Should pulse boats outdamage AC boats? Hell yes!

Erentil Calamity
Posted - 2007.12.13 03:23:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Riho
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 11/12/2007 20:52:57
Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 11/12/2007 20:52:43
Lets look at the abaddon. Its clearly one of our best ships. It has good damage and a mean tank.
Isnt it odd that abaddon works at tanking and ganking eventhough the cap reduction bonus is missing on this ship?

How can one not come to the conclusion that this bonus, typically seen on amarr ships, is not a faked bonus? Doesnt this show that we actually are being cheated of one real bonus?


abaddon can TANK and do uber dmg... lol since when ?




http://www.battleclinic.com/forum/index.php/topic,14001.new.html#new

look at my setup.

that thing is a monster

The Djego
Minmatar
Hellequin Inc.
Posted - 2007.12.13 12:08:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: The Djego on 13/12/2007 12:19:44
Originally by: Erentil Calamity
Originally by: Riho
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 11/12/2007 20:52:57
Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 11/12/2007 20:52:43
Lets look at the abaddon. Its clearly one of our best ships. It has good damage and a mean tank.
Isnt it odd that abaddon works at tanking and ganking eventhough the cap reduction bonus is missing on this ship?

How can one not come to the conclusion that this bonus, typically seen on amarr ships, is not a faked bonus? Doesnt this show that we actually are being cheated of one real bonus?


abaddon can TANK and do uber dmg... lol since when ?




http://www.battleclinic.com/forum/index.php/topic,14001.new.html#new

look at my setup.

that thing is a monster


o realy?

This Fitting is yust some Crap the OP uses 3 Cap Rechargers on a PVP Fitting should I say more? Aswell he did not have the Skills to realy fit and Test it, yust midless EFT playing.

A frind of mine uses this, it has a good Damage Output and can substain as long as you have Cap Boosters, preaty mutch like a Mega.
Its a AWU 4 Fitting that can suck up to 835 DPS over 3 Minutes and even if you get more you will substanin long becaus of High Resistances and mutch HP. Perfect combination of heavy substainable PVP Tank and good gank acceptabel Damage for a Gank Ship. Damage is close to 800 DPS including some T2 Hamerheads with max Skills, so more like 700-750 for a common player.

7x MPL II
Web, Disruptor, 2x T2 Heavy Cap Booster
2x LAR II, Kin, Expl, Termal Hardner II, DCU II, Heat Sink II
Semiconductor Memory Cell, 2 Nano Pumps

As we made a 1o1 his Abba against my Mega I was not even close to break his Tank.


Dillius Archania
Amarr
Posted - 2007.12.13 12:13:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Dillius Archania on 13/12/2007 12:13:20
The Abaddon, the three minute man.

Seriously though, double cap boosting I'd hope to god it was putting some strong output in 3 minutes time... just sucks when that battle lasts more than 3 minutes. (of course, not always a problem)

The Djego
Minmatar
Hellequin Inc.
Posted - 2007.12.13 12:24:00 - [41]
 

Edited by: The Djego on 13/12/2007 12:29:36
Originally by: Dillius Archania
Edited by: Dillius Archania on 13/12/2007 12:13:20
The Abaddon, the three minute man.

Seriously though, double cap boosting I'd hope to god it was putting some strong output in 3 minutes time... just sucks when that battle lasts more than 3 minutes. (of course, not always a problem)


Most other Cap Injected BS in PVP donīt last longer, infact you speeking of Gang fights if you are Primary 3 Minutes will be a long time. If you donīt use the Reppers or yust one you can least a longer by severall minutes. 3 Minutes is the time before you run out of Cap if Tank and Weapons work on 100% there are not mutch BS out there that can last so long if everything is running.

Cap Injected Fits donīt work for ever, since you have to use 2 even shorter on the Abadon but as a Trade off there wonīt be mutch that is able to kill you before you run out of Cap Charges and you can still deal a good Damage at a very deacend Range over this time.

Vaine Amarr
Amarr
Angel Feathers Research and Development
Posted - 2007.12.13 13:08:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Erentil Calamity
Originally by: Riho
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 11/12/2007 20:52:57
Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 11/12/2007 20:52:43
Lets look at the abaddon. Its clearly one of our best ships. It has good damage and a mean tank.
Isnt it odd that abaddon works at tanking and ganking eventhough the cap reduction bonus is missing on this ship?

How can one not come to the conclusion that this bonus, typically seen on amarr ships, is not a faked bonus? Doesnt this show that we actually are being cheated of one real bonus?


abaddon can TANK and do uber dmg... lol since when ?




http://www.battleclinic.com/forum/index.php/topic,14001.new.html#new

look at my setup.

that thing is a monster


No offense, but that setup kinda sucks, and also, 580 dps is supposed to be sick? My missionrunning abaddon deals 850 dps with 8x mega pulse, hammerhead II's and 2 heat sinks..

The Djego
Minmatar
Hellequin Inc.
Posted - 2007.12.13 14:31:00 - [43]
 

To the OP, Abadon works because you have DPS and Tank Bonus(with is not bound on aktive Tanking/Cap like Galente). Aswell as a very strong Cap(close to the Apoc including her bonus on the Capacitor). The Gedon also has the Damage Bonus but only get 25% effective Cap Reduction because of the ROF Bonus. So Abadon and Gedon can overcome high Resistances with high raw DPS.

Actualy it is the real strong Cap of the Abadon, that makes it up for Tanking and Damagedealing without Cap Bonus. So basicly the Abbadon is Apoc with a Damage Bonus and a passive Tank Bonus that is not that good as a Beam Plateform because of the Cap use and unable to Substain itself for long in PVP.



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