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Wacoede
Amarr
Swag Co.
Sandbox Bullies
Posted - 2007.12.10 02:06:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Odewad
Originally by: Kavol Valarius
Here's a better idea. Make it spin perpetually on its axis, spewing out ships like something out of the exorcist.


hahaha .... /this

I'd fight the lag just to watch


so would I LOL

Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
Posted - 2007.12.10 02:09:00 - [32]
 

Quote:
So in your view, it's better that CCP keep the 4-4 logjam in place?

You think CCP put it there in the first place?

Think about it. Suddenly word gets round that Jita 4-4 "now faces the right direction" (whatever Rolling Eyes). Whatever positive effect this will have, EVEN MORE people will then roll on to Jita and it'll just become worse, and it *wouldn't* stop the people who undock outside Jita, then just go AFK, spinning people off in random directions.

There's plenty of ways around the jam you speak of.

A) create a warp-out insta bookmark (Blackscreening? doesn't happen to me (aka WFM)...)
B) DON'T GO to Jita.
C) If you're only going for bits and bobs, use something a little more agile than an indy or freighter, destroyer does a good job and has a reasonable cargohold.

C'mon, you've got a head between your shoulders right?

Ryuu Katsu
Umbra Campitor
Dead On Arrival Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.10 02:10:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Ryuu Katsu on 10/12/2007 02:11:57
/signed

Why not turn the station around, sounds like a sound choice that I can't imagine would be hard to implement. A few minute quick fix changing the station vectors, uploaded after next downtime. I can't see many people objecting to this, except perhaps station campers.

/also signed

Yes, if at all possible, do not place my ship into space while my screen is still black while loading population data. How am I to fend for my ship and take action to keep my ship in one piece if I have no control over it nor any visible information on my screen about me environment and current threats in it?

Couldn't some routine be added to undocking or even fleet-warping that verifies that the corresponding population and environment data has been loaded before the player gets placed in space?
Instead of the other way around that seems to be the case now from what I'm reading above, placing the player in space and letting him pray to the gods of EVE that he still be alive when his screen finally comes alive after undocking/warping?

Illyria Ambri
SMASH Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.10 02:34:00 - [34]
 

Try this.. rather then just undocking and trying to warp away immediately and playing bumper cars..

the moment you undock.. look straight up or straight down.. then dbl click so your ship will go either up or down.. then you can warp away at your leisure while everyone else sits there trying to go straight ahead or at some other ineffective angle.

remember.. this is lame 3d space.. there is an up and down

Voculus
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.12.10 02:43:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Kylar Renpurs
Quote:
So in your view, it's better that CCP keep the 4-4 logjam in place?

You think CCP put it there in the first place?

Think about it. Suddenly word gets round that Jita 4-4 "now faces the right direction" (whatever Rolling Eyes). Whatever positive effect this will have, EVEN MORE people will then roll on to Jita and it'll just become worse, and it *wouldn't* stop the people who undock outside Jita, then just go AFK, spinning people off in random directions.

Jita 4-4 is a vital part of the Eve economy, so anything CCP soes to make it easier for people to painlessly come and go, will only enhance the game as a whole. You're looking through the wrong end of the telescope. The goal should not be to put the paying customers through extra grief in the hopes of forcing them to spread out. It's been tried, and it doesn't work. You don't smooth the flow of traffic by throwing up roadblocks.

Foxfire Inferno
Gallente
Decendent Inc.
Posted - 2007.12.10 03:07:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Voculus
Originally by: Kylar Renpurs
Quote:
So in your view, it's better that CCP keep the 4-4 logjam in place?

You think CCP put it there in the first place?

Think about it. Suddenly word gets round that Jita 4-4 "now faces the right direction" (whatever Rolling Eyes). Whatever positive effect this will have, EVEN MORE people will then roll on to Jita and it'll just become worse, and it *wouldn't* stop the people who undock outside Jita, then just go AFK, spinning people off in random directions.

Jita 4-4 is a vital part of the Eve economy, so anything CCP soes to make it easier for people to painlessly come and go, will only enhance the game as a whole. You're looking through the wrong end of the telescope. The goal should not be to put the paying customers through extra grief in the hopes of forcing them to spread out. It's been tried, and it doesn't work. You don't smooth the flow of traffic by throwing up roadblocks.


Here here.
All they need to do is create a patch that, among the other things that it's gonna fix post Trinity-update, will rotate the station back the way it was before. Of course, that'll probably be a few more days/weeks seeing how many seperate issues have arisen since Trinity was released. Until then, all we can do is use the said methods to clear that situation and move on until a permenant fix comes.

Gojyu
Ever Flow
Axiom Empire
Posted - 2007.12.10 03:20:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Voculus
Originally by: Kylar Renpurs
Quote:
So in your view, it's better that CCP keep the 4-4 logjam in place?

You think CCP put it there in the first place?

Think about it. Suddenly word gets round that Jita 4-4 "now faces the right direction" (whatever Rolling Eyes). Whatever positive effect this will have, EVEN MORE people will then roll on to Jita and it'll just become worse, and it *wouldn't* stop the people who undock outside Jita, then just go AFK, spinning people off in random directions.

Jita 4-4 is a vital part of the Eve economy, so anything CCP soes to make it easier for people to painlessly come and go, will only enhance the game as a whole. You're looking through the wrong end of the telescope. The goal should not be to put the paying customers through extra grief in the hopes of forcing them to spread out. It's been tried, and it doesn't work. You don't smooth the flow of traffic by throwing up roadblocks.


I disagree, any increase in the performance of jita will only result in more people coming to jita, which is harmful to the game, not helpful to it. It is not possible to make jita lag free by making it easier for people to go to the system

hydraSlav
Synergy Evolved
Posted - 2007.12.10 03:24:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Gojyu
People like you are the reason jita is crowded in the first place, wait till just before downtime to move your character out.

Right moron, i am not waking up at 5am to go play an internet spaceships game, i got work in the morning.

Gojyu
Ever Flow
Axiom Empire
Posted - 2007.12.10 03:34:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Gojyu on 10/12/2007 03:39:44
Edited by: Gojyu on 10/12/2007 03:38:30
Originally by: hydraSlav
Originally by: Gojyu
People like you are the reason jita is crowded in the first place, wait till just before downtime to move your character out.

Right moron, i am not waking up at 5am to go play an internet spaceships game, i got work in the morning.


International game, had no idea what time it was over there when downtime starts. There are lulls in the game where it's possible to freely move around jita when the population drops, I'd suggest finding one of those times that are accessable to you so that you can log back in and leave the system. It shouldn't take you any more than a week max and you should have a couple of windows when you can freely move in and out of the system

Edit- now would be a good time, just logged in to a long abandoned trade alt to check whether it's as bad as you say. I'm flying around merrily, no ships hanging outside of jita 4-4 to speak of, lag's pretty bad though

Aranbaal
Minmatar
Tropa de Elite
Posted - 2007.12.10 03:41:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: xttz
Planet 4 moon 1.

Seriously. It even works for freighters.



Yes planet 4 moon 1 where after this post you will find every suicide ganker in system waithing for you Razz

Araxmas
The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency
Black Core Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.10 04:39:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: hydraSlav
Originally by: xttz
Originally by: hydraSlav
I am sure it works, when you can actually see your screen Rolling Eyes

Originally by: hydraSlav
TURN THE FRIGGING STATION AROUND, so we can undock and warp towards the gate

What?


If station is turned, people spend less time undocking and warping.
If people spend less time undocking and warping, people will leave system faster.
If people leave system faster, there will be less people stuck in Jita.
If there will be less people stuck Jita, i wouldn't be faced with a blackscreen.
If i am not faced with a blackscreen, i can undock and leave.

Simple enough for you? Or do you need visual aid?


I think he was implying the fact that you said that your screen doesn't load to warp to the planet...yet you imply that you can warp to the stargate (autopilot or not)
which surely would not be possible if your screen can't load.

Bish Ounen
Gallente
Best Path Inc.
Cult of War
Posted - 2007.12.10 04:53:00 - [42]
 

Hmmm...

You know, if I ever have a reason to go to Jita, it would be to go in a Thorax or a Deimos with a MWD and multiple nanos and overdrives, and just go "Undockpoint Bowling".

Heck, I'd probably be given free ISK by players just for performing a community service by clearing that area! Laughing


Ararius
Earned In Blood
Posted - 2007.12.10 04:58:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Bish Ounen
Hmmm...

You know, if I ever have a reason to go to Jita, it would be to go in a Thorax or a Deimos with a MWD and multiple nanos and overdrives, and just go "Undockpoint Bowling".

Heck, I'd probably be given free ISK by players just for performing a community service by clearing that area! Laughing




Use a Typhoon, more mass to make things move.

Also, you can go from different angles, and have more then 1 person doing it.

I also sign for having it spinn on it's axis. Twisted Evil

Gealbhan
Caldari
GealCorp
Posted - 2007.12.10 05:01:00 - [44]
 

4. Never, ever go to Jita 4-4 Caldari Navy Assembly Plant.

Only go to this awful place with an Alt, and make sure his transport is well tanked against random suicide bomber Kestrels, Caracals and Ravens at the undock point. This place is a deathtrap. With loading times of over five minutes on even high end machines, peak times are definitely to be avoided. Beats the hell out of me why everyone has to go to that damn station for everything…

Taken from Here

In short, Don't Go To Jita.

Lawrences Dragon
Amarr
Zantiu Braun
Posted - 2007.12.10 05:24:00 - [45]
 

No one is forcing you to go to jita remember.

You could do just as well shopping in Amarr, Amamakke or any of the other market hubs. Amamakke is a great hub, I suggest you go there for your shopping needs :)


BoB sucks
Burning Bush Enterprises
Posted - 2007.12.10 05:55:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Sal Mintago
I'm a bit new to Eve - what's the story here? Since Trinity, I have a hard time even logging in if I've been unlucky enough to leave my character at Jita. Is there any prospect of an improvement in the near future?

NO, no matter how much hardware CCP throws at jita, people just keep on cramming in more and more. STAY OUT OF JITA

hydraSlav
Synergy Evolved
Posted - 2007.12.10 06:08:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Araxmas
Originally by: hydraSlav
Originally by: xttz
Originally by: hydraSlav
I am sure it works, when you can actually see your screen Rolling Eyes

Originally by: hydraSlav
TURN THE FRIGGING STATION AROUND, so we can undock and warp towards the gate

What?


If station is turned, people spend less time undocking and warping.
If people spend less time undocking and warping, people will leave system faster.
If people leave system faster, there will be less people stuck in Jita.
If there will be less people stuck Jita, i wouldn't be faced with a blackscreen.
If i am not faced with a blackscreen, i can undock and leave.

Simple enough for you? Or do you need visual aid?


I think he was implying the fact that you said that your screen doesn't load to warp to the planet...yet you imply that you can warp to the stargate (autopilot or not)
which surely would not be possible if your screen can't load.

Yes, and i am trying to say that while the system is overloaded (because there are too many people bouncing on station), i get a blackscreen. If those people (bouncing on station), had an easy way out off the station and out of the system, they wouldn't be there, hence i wouldn't get blackscreen. And to give those people (bouncing on station) and easy way off it is to turn the station around

Lets try this again:
-The cause of me blackscreening is dozens of OTHER pilots being stuck in the undock.
-Remove those pilots, and i won't blackscreen (and then i could warp to gate or planet IV myself)
-To help those pilots get off the station, turn it around.

hydraSlav
Synergy Evolved
Posted - 2007.12.10 06:11:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Lawrences Dragon
No one is forcing you to go to jita remember.

You could do just as well shopping in Amarr, Amamakke or any of the other market hubs. Amamakke is a great hub, I suggest you go there for your shopping needs :)




I've been playing this game for over 2 years. I know all the empire's major hubs, and most of the secondary hubs. However, there are certain items that are only sold in Jita in sufficient quantities. These are moon materials, and most of the invention stuff. And yes i was in an alt: doesn't change the issue though.

Piwat King
Posted - 2007.12.10 06:20:00 - [49]
 

While they are at at..

REDESIGN the stations in high volume systems.

Add 4 undocking bays, each on a different side of the station, when you undock you randomly get put into one, it would cut alot of the problems out with that station and also the station in RENS.


Forsch
Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.10 06:30:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
I really wish CCP would the blackscreen issue. By that I mean do not place me in space till my screen is loaded. Then pop me in rather than finding myself at a dead stop in a ball of hell.


Would be a really good change. I hate when I play on my laptop, my screen doesn't load and there's wartargets outside of the station.
Few days ago it took even longer than 30 seconds for my screen to load. I got a picture on the screen just in time to warp my pod out.

hydraSlav
Synergy Evolved
Posted - 2007.12.10 14:17:00 - [51]
 

From the front page:
Quote:
12/10/2007 1:00:29 PM
EVE Online: Breaks The Wall Yet Again!
On 2007.12.09 20:18 Tranquility’s simultaneous user number reached an astonishing 41,690 up from 38,242. This marks yet another proud moment in EVE Online’s history


What's to be proud of CCP? That you got 1000 users stuck in Jita unable to leave cause they can't load the system?!

Bish Ounen
Gallente
Best Path Inc.
Cult of War
Posted - 2007.12.10 14:22:00 - [52]
 

Heh,

This almost sounds like something Goonswarm might do. To force people to sell stuff in places other than Jita, send 1000 Alt accounts to Jita to jam it full. Then people HAVE to go somewhere else. Laughing

Ooops.. Did I just give them an idea? Shocked

(Muwahahahaha! Twisted Evil )

Kirjava
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.12.10 14:27:00 - [53]
 

Edited by: Kirjava on 10/12/2007 14:27:19
Originally by: Bish Ounen
Heh,

This almost sounds like something Goonswarm might do. To force people to sell stuff in places other than Jita, send 1000 Alt accounts to Jita to jam it full. Then people HAVE to go somewhere else. Laughing

Ooops.. Did I just give them an idea? Shocked

(Muwahahahaha! Twisted Evil )

/me feels an ominous quake in the air, like someone just walked over his grave....
*stares in terror as the perimiter gate fires up constantly for 10 miniutes! Shocked
Maybe thats what the twinkly star is - a goonalt armada in a mass jump.

Spaceman Jack
Posted - 2007.12.10 14:32:00 - [54]
 

/signed

Bish Ounen
Gallente
Best Path Inc.
Cult of War
Posted - 2007.12.10 14:38:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Kirjava
Edited by: Kirjava on 10/12/2007 14:27:19
Originally by: Bish Ounen
Heh,

This almost sounds like something Goonswarm might do. To force people to sell stuff in places other than Jita, send 1000 Alt accounts to Jita to jam it full. Then people HAVE to go somewhere else. Laughing

Ooops.. Did I just give them an idea? Shocked

(Muwahahahaha! Twisted Evil )

/me feels an ominous quake in the air, like someone just walked over his grave....
*stares in terror as the perimeter gate fires up constantly for 10 miniutes! Shocked
Maybe thats what the twinkly star is - a goonalt armada in a mass jump.


Hee hee! I wonder if something like that would crash the server? (Or at least the Jita dedicated section of it)

I remember when I used to play Planetside there was a bug where if you laid enough of a specific type of mine (the "boomer" mine. A shaped charge not unlike a Claymore) and then set them all off with an EMP blast, it would crash the server node, taking down an entire continent at a time.

It was done a couple times when one side was being badly beaten by another in a critical battle, a group of people on the losing side would go find a quiet hiding spot, lay an amount of mines over the critical amount and set them off, crashing the server and saving the battle. (when the server came back up in 5 minutes, the continent would be reset, allowing a fresh start) Obviously, this was a bannable offense, but with the ability to create trial accounts, and playing through proxies, it made it almost impossible to stop. Until they limited the amount of layable boomers to 5 per player. Then the effort required to crash the server was so high it wasn't worth it.

It would be interesting to see this type of behavior in use in EVE. Not that I would EVER encourage crashing the server. I'm just speaking from a sociological standpoint, it would be interesting to study the group dynamics involved in such a thing.

zeeZ Exus
Citizens of E.A.R.T.H.
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
Posted - 2007.12.10 14:41:00 - [56]
 

Turn THE station at 4-4 around here, turn that one at 4-4 around there... I hope they rotate the business tribunal just for lulz

Kirjava
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.12.10 14:55:00 - [57]
 

Bish, I can somehow see them doing it anyway, they get thousands of haulers and say it was to refuel there POS because they cant afford jump freighters - who could realy argue with that?ugh

Kharadran Sullath
Caldari
Subordination
Posted - 2007.12.10 14:55:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: Kharadran Sullath on 10/12/2007 14:57:42
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
... and the other link... Rolling Eyes


Pointing out that the station in Jita should be adjusted due to one being forced to spend 15 minutes to get out of the tangled mess of haulers outside doesn't qualify the OP as a backdoor coder tbh...

Originally by: hydraSlav
From the front page:
Quote:
12/10/2007 1:00:29 PM
EVE Online: Breaks The Wall Yet Again!
On 2007.12.09 20:18 Tranquility’s simultaneous user number reached an astonishing 41,690 up from 38,242. This marks yet another proud moment in EVE Online’s history


What's to be proud of CCP? That you got 1000 users stuck in Jita unable to leave cause they can't load the system?!


...but he's evidently an idiot.

Ares Lightfeather
Gallente
Posted - 2007.12.10 15:02:00 - [59]
 

Hum.

If you turned the station 180°, wouldn't that make the people that warp from the gates arrive directly at the undock point, therefore creating collisions and preventing people to leave even more than now ?

That would be fun to watch, though.

Mephistophilis
ANZAC ALLIANCE
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.10 15:35:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Kavol Valarius
Here's a better idea. Make it spin perpetually on its axis, spewing out ships like something out of the exorcist.

[Pro Tip: Don't take this seriously.]


LOL i like this ideaWink

Actually tbh i think 4-4 should be turned 180 deg, i'd get people out of jita much faster. And anything is better than dancing outside the dock with 5 freightersRolling Eyes


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