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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2007.12.07 19:34:00 - [1]

Edited by: Akita T on 14/12/2007 11:43:39

The EWar frigs, I can already build all of them.
I only have Cruiser Construction 4, so no Heavy Interdictors yet, sorry.
I already have battleship construction L3 (L4 in training now), that will finish half hour before Thursday.
So, Wednesday (12 Dec 2007), shortly before next day EVE time, skills will be completed for all the 8 new T2 battleships construction.

Other relevant skills, Production Efficiency 5, Mass Production 4 (5 manufacture lines available) and Supply Chain Management 2 (so remote build range is 5j)..

The deal is simple : "bring your own materials".
You contract your stuff to me (in a station WITH a free factory slot of your preference).
That means blueprint copy and all needed materials (use the "perfect" figure).
I start building it, and when it's done, it's going to be contracted back to you.

I plan to charge a fee per hour of manufacture job (negotiable, depending on availability, was thinking 500k per hour as a baseline).
Oh... plus an extra fee if I have to move to your location too many jumps (again, negotiable how much extra for how far away). My "default" location is Abagawa (that's 6j away from Jita).

UPDATE: Battleship Construction 4 finished a while ago, so Marauders and Black Ops are a go now.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2007.12.07 19:42:00 - [2]

Edited by: Akita T on 14/12/2007 12:20:46

Pre-emptive FAQ

Q: 500k per hour ? That's way too cheap/expensive !
A: That's just the "baseline".
I plan to have a "NPC-like" pricing scheme later on.
Lines full, price goes up, lines empty, price goes down.

Q: Is this a scam ?
A: No, but don't take my word for it. Ask around for references if you like.

Q: So, how can I trust you ?
A: You don't. You take a risk. I offer absolutely no other guarantee than my ForumWarrior™ brand name, AT THIS PRICE.

Q: Why should I choose you ?
A: If you are desperate, and can't get anybody else.
At this price, it's a total steal, again, just ask around, you won't find anybody even remotely as cheap as me.

Q: What is your fee per travel needed (if any) ?
A: 1 mil (covers first 5j) + 200k per jump over 5j should do fine. Jumps through highsec only.

Q: Does that include hauling ?
A: NO. I don't do hauling. It's strictly the fee for me having to move away from Abagawa to start the job.
That is, if I do have to move from Abagawa.

Q: So what if I really, really don't want to trust you at all, and I want a collateral ?
A: Then you pay extra for my trouble and you have a deal.

Q: How much of a collateral can I expect ?
A: About 80% of final product average market price as a maximum, give or take a few percent, MINUS my fees.

Q: So, how much extra does collateral thingy cost me then ?
A: Usual no-collateral cost + 1.5% of colateral you ask per day (# of days rounded up) + any appliable EVE system taxes, deducted directly FROM the collateral.

Q: An example please ?
A: Sure...

You want me to build you a Marauder, which sells for around 1.2 bil at the time we decide to start the build.
80%*1.2 bil = 960 mil max collateral. You select the max (you can select less if you want to).
Build time is 2 days 2 hours. That's 50 hours, or 25 mil regular manufacture price.
That's also 3 days rounded up on collateral fees. 3*1.5%*960 = 43.2 mil collateral fee.
Option 1, you also need me to move 5 jumps away from Abagawa to meet you in person, so we do direct trades to sidestep contracts taxes. That's 1 mil extra ; Option 2, you prefer to use contracts instead so you don't have to be online and in the same station with me. This means you also pay the 1% of each ISK transaction that contracts charge, so that's a little bit under 20 mil ISK extra for this option (but less hassle for both of us, and a lot less calculations needed).

Say you pick option 1... your total fees are 25+43.2+1=69.2 mil ISK, on a 960 max collateral.
This means you meet me in a station WITH a free factory slot, give me your stuff, and I give you 890.8 mil ISK, all in a direct trade.
After the 2d 2h have passed, we meet up again in the same station, you get your built ship in a direct trade, and you give me back 960 mil ISK.
If you fail to collect your ship within 22h from the job completion (so 3 days from our deal start), we start the 4th day of collateral fees, so that's 1.5%*960= 14.4 mil extra you have to pay for each day you delay collection/payment.

Q: But... that's A LOT of money ! You offer too little collateral ! And your calculations are not fair !
A: I wasn't even planning to offer a collateral plan at all in the fist place, so this is actually me being generous.
Oh, and good luck finding somebody you don't personally know willing to work cheaper than this.

Jupiter Mining Corp
New Eden Research.
Posted - 2007.12.07 19:46:00 - [3]

Sounds like a reasonable service to me, however I have to ask, will you be selling on the BPCs for these ships? Sort of like an invent to order service?

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2007.12.07 19:50:00 - [4]

I don't plan to invent myself, too much chance involved.
However, I might accept payment offers "in nature"... meaning, something akin to "I build you x+1 ships with your materials, I keep 1 and don't charge extra".
Any reasonable offers are welcome.

I also plan to upgrade to Advanced Mass Manufacturing 4 as soon as possible (for 10 manufacturing lines), but Battleship Construction 4 and soon after that Capital Ship Construction 4 (I already have it 22% done, 7d 20h remaining) for all Jumpfreighters is the priority right now.
Yes, that's right, I WILL be able to manufacture all four Jumpfreighters too, in a bit under 2 weeks from now.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2007.12.09 22:41:00 - [5]

Of course, if you need anything else built except those items mentioned above, we can work something out too.
Just remember, it's purely just manufacturing, not sales of end-product, you supply all materials and what you pay for is my skills and factory slot time.

Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.12.09 23:11:00 - [6]

If you would provide some sort of guarantee, then I would gladly hand you my bpcs, but unfortunately this just seems like a scam or someone who's very generous and assumes everyone should trust him, which would be unfortunate if you were trustworthy.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2007.12.11 03:03:00 - [7]

Well, let's just say I am more than active on the forums (just look my post history up), and my ForumWarrior™ reputation is fairly important to me.
You would be hard-pressed to find anybody complaining about me at all (other than people I annoyed on the forums, that is), but you could probably find more than enough people to vouch for my honesty and helpfulness.
Of course, as long as there's some profit for me (or at least, no actual loss), I am more than glad to help (I'm more inclined to be patient when there's profit to be had, of course).

Also, I am the CEO of my own corp since I created it, was only in a single other corp before (it closed down), never left the current corp since then, and we're slowly but surely approaching 50 members.
[CNVTF] is still actively recruiting, by the way (that's the link in my sig), but we're not making a big noise about it (only a small minority of corp members joined due to that forum thread).

Last but not least, my "main field" right now is trading (and to a lesser degree market manipulation), so I hardly ever have loads of liquid ISK in hand, and they would be a lot better invested into my own "machinations" than as a collateral for a relatively low-paying manufacture task (low compared to profits I can make on the market).

In not so many words, I have really nothing to gain from scamming, and I have a lot to lose.
Would you ask Dark Shikari or Chribba for a colateral ? Twisted Evil
Ok, ok, not quite in the same league as those two, but you get the idea.

So... what sort of guarantee would you propose ?
I mean, really, what else would seem like an appropriate guarantee for you, other than all of this written above ?
Keep in mind that for me, paying collateral on the materials for the job time actually means a loss, since I tie up capital that can be much better spent elsewhere.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2007.12.12 11:58:00 - [8]

12 more hours until last skill needed for all T2 battleship construction finishes.
Reserve a spot while there's still some free in the near future Wink

Thira Rans
Posted - 2007.12.12 12:08:00 - [9]

If you are willing to pay a deposit for the
BPC and the materials i would think about it.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2007.12.12 18:08:00 - [10]

I might consider depositing a collateral slightly below "Jita existing buy orders" price for components, datacores and decryptor, minus my due manufacture fee.

At least this way I know for sure I'm not getting shafted myself with a "well, I don't really need it anymore, you sell it if you want the ISK collateral back" slap in the face in case prices drop sharply for stuff I just paid collateral on.
Would that be acceptable enough ?

Salva Veritate
Posted - 2007.12.12 18:31:00 - [11]

Indeed a great service. If my current deal doesn't go through (for a Golem) I will be contacting you for a build. Thanks for doing this! :)

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2007.12.13 21:35:00 - [12]

All T2 battleships (4 Marauders, 4 Black-ops) now buildable.
Next stop, all 4 jumpfreighters, in about 6 days and a half.

Chloey Rans
Posted - 2007.12.14 09:33:00 - [13]

That would be acceptable.
The thing is: i have alle the required compnents
and a 2-run copy for a kronos. I guess the market value
for the materials approx. 600mil, the megathron approx 95mil, so what about the 2run copy? How much would this be worth? It has a good ME (-2) so i would tax it around 300-500 mil.....

Thira Rans
Posted - 2007.12.14 09:34:00 - [14]

the above post is my little sister....

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2007.12.14 11:40:00 - [15]

Edited by: Akita T on 14/12/2007 12:22:01
Originally by: Chloey Rans
That would be acceptable.
The thing is: i have alle the required compnents
and a 2-run copy for a kronos. I guess the market value
for the materials approx. 600mil, the megathron approx 95mil, so what about the 2run copy? How much would this be worth? It has a good ME (-2) so i would tax it around 300-500 mil.....

So, to put it mildly, you expect to get a 1 bil collateral or so, I suppose ?

Which would be locked up for 2 days for me the very least, for a roughly 25 mil revenue in the end (0.5m/h * 24h/day * aprox 2 days). That is, of course, if we use direct trade (so we have to coordinate online time and be physically present at the same station), since trading it via contracts both ways would mean 20 mil extra wasted on taxes... so basically 5 mil profit.
At the same time, with zero effort, I can have that money in a safely 5%/month dividend paying corp shares, and make roughly 7-8 mil out of it, and not have to budge a finger.
Or, I can use it in my own investment schemes, which so far pay off at around 40%-50% per month on average (so, under the level of "profit" I can expect from you building "at my place" at initially offered price, but with a bit more hassle on my part).

As I was saying in the start, I tend to be more patient when there's profit to be had for me.
Bottom line, if you expect full colateral paid up front for your gear, I can not possibly afford to offer you the "no colaterals" build prices... it's simply not worth the trouble, sorry.
So.... I'm thinking, initial asking manufacture price PLUS 1.5% per day (number of days rounded up) on the collateral I pay you (if you require any) PLUS transaction taxes (if any are appliable, for instance, contracts), all of it deducted directly from the collateral I have to pay you up front.
Does that sound fair enough to you ?

Of course, this version means next to zero risk for you, but at a much higher price... I can't blame you for being paranoid, but you have to understand my side too... I am myself just as paranoid as anybody else can possibly be.
Oh, and lazy, did I mention that ? The less work and hassle, the happier I am Wink


Updated original posts with more info.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2007.12.17 13:27:00 - [16]

Offer still stands.
Oh, and by the way, I prefer if you contact me via forums (this thread) rather than ingame EVE-mail, with holidays close and a bit of personal problems (health issues), I tend to get ingame only when necessary, so I check the forum more often than evemails.

Malum Exuro
Posted - 2007.12.18 08:01:00 - [17]

I can vouch for this guy 100%, he's a long time RL friend. Great idea Tibi, hope its gonna get ya good profits!

Posted - 2007.12.18 08:19:00 - [18]


Malum Exuro
Posted - 2007.12.18 08:22:00 - [19]

Aye.. the she is a "he" in RL. Goddamit :D

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2007.12.19 12:24:00 - [20]

Mzr, I think you completely misunderstood Hardigeen's "comment", he strongly disagrees with me on certain game issues (much like you and me disagree occasionally on others), and it became pretty ugly on occasion in the market and starbase forums. I don't really hold a grudge, but he won't conceede, so it's kind of a stalemate.

That being said, of course, offer still stands.
Also, one more day (and a couple of hours) to go for all jumpfreighters constructable.


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