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Erotic Irony
0bsession
Posted - 2007.12.07 09:25:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Shereza
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28%. I'm betting that's with a totally unreal setup with neutron's and magstabs. It is because 353dmg is not attainable. In fact 328dps is with 3 magstabs and neutron blaster II's and 5 hobgob's in EFT.


Ishkur can potentially pump out about 360 dps. Max skills, 3 light neutrons, T2, with dread guristas anti-matter using 3 cormack's magstabs and 1 each of the RoF and damage rigs, T1, with 5 T2 hobs.

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The simple fact is that there was no need for any drone-bay nerfs at all. By taking away insta-recharge you nerf the ability of the drone user to use extra-large drones to do damage without any risk.


The only drone bay that got nerfed was the eos' and in all honesty I agree that it didn't really need to be reduced.

With regards to the number/size of drones able to be spat out at once being nerfed, if the ishkur was originally intended to toss out 5 lights but game mechanics let people toss out 3 mediums and 2 lights then yes, it needed to be 'nerfed' to bring it in line with its original design goals. If the ship was originally designed to field 3 mediums and 2 lights then no, it probably didn't need to be 'nerfed.'

That is all, of course, highly dependant on the original design philosophy of the ship. Same as with the myrmidon who's nerf brought it more in line with the in-game description of the ship.


no mwd = lol

:hellokitty url:

Skraeling Shortbus
Caldari
Final Agony
Posted - 2007.12.09 23:31:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Zin Zy
Its funny how people base their arguments on EFT, since its numbers are possibly off.
I know that Focused Medium Beams have an optimal range of 13km on SISI, but EFT says 14. Its not much of a differance, but what other miscalculations could there be in the program?
Don't get me wrong, EFT is a good program, it's just bugged Smile.

On topic: Ishkur should never have been able to field crusier size weapons. Just like noone can fit torps or cruiser missiles in their light and heavy launchers anymore. Was funny to fly a Kestral with cruise missiles loaded though.


wish people stop classifying drones as cruiser or whatever sized weapons, if thats the case we should stop battleships from using light drones.

Back to the point. Of course you cant fit torps and cruise missiles into heavy launchers... thats just idiotic. I guess we need to nerf stealth bombers since they are using battleship sized weapons zomg!

Requiescat
Red Arsenal
Posted - 2007.12.09 23:39:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Shereza
YARRRR EFT WARRIOR


YOUR MAIN

POST WITH IT

Minmatar Citizen 4521577
Posted - 2007.12.10 00:07:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: joshmorris
Originally by: Augeas
Isn't it still the best AF? Neutral


But remember our dps can be killed ... especially more easier now so if i was in a minny assualt frig and a ishkur attacked me i could prolly insta pwn its drones ... 3 blasters ent gonna do much then.

My ship can be killed too. Suddenly your ishkur isn't the omgwtf af pwnall anymore. Welcome to non-gallente eve online.

Praxis1452
The Illuminatii
Dirt Nap Squad.
Posted - 2007.12.10 00:12:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Minmatar Citizen 4521577
Originally by: joshmorris
Originally by: Augeas
Isn't it still the best AF? Neutral


But remember our dps can be killed ... especially more easier now so if i was in a minny assualt frig and a ishkur attacked me i could prolly insta pwn its drones ... 3 blasters ent gonna do much then.

My ship can be killed too. Suddenly your ishkur isn't the omgwtf af pwnall anymore. Welcome to non-gallente eve online.

hmm so can the ishkur... your point? oh wait that's right your an alt. Post with your main. And lol minmatar have easily the two best and most often used AF's.

Twin blade
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2007.12.10 00:34:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Skraeling Shortbus
Originally by: Zin Zy
Its funny how people base their arguments on EFT, since its numbers are possibly off.
I know that Focused Medium Beams have an optimal range of 13km on SISI, but EFT says 14. Its not much of a differance, but what other miscalculations could there be in the program?
Don't get me wrong, EFT is a good program, it's just bugged Smile.

On topic: Ishkur should never have been able to field crusier size weapons. Just like noone can fit torps or cruiser missiles in their light and heavy launchers anymore. Was funny to fly a Kestral with cruise missiles loaded though.


wish people stop classifying drones as cruiser or whatever sized weapons, if thats the case we should stop battleships from using light drones.

Back to the point. Of course you cant fit torps and cruise missiles into heavy launchers... thats just idiotic. I guess we need to nerf stealth bombers since they are using battleship sized weapons zomg!


Drone's are classed on the same size as weapons and there is nothing to stop a battleship loading up frig or curiser guns.

On topic the ship is still great its not able to wack out curiser size drone's any more you don't see any other ships loading over sized weapons other than SB's that are made to fit them.

Praxis1452
The Illuminatii
Dirt Nap Squad.
Posted - 2007.12.10 00:43:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Praxis1452 on 10/12/2007 00:43:56
Originally by: Twin blade
Originally by: Skraeling Shortbus
Originally by: Zin Zy
Its funny how people base their arguments on EFT, since its numbers are possibly off.
I know that Focused Medium Beams have an optimal range of 13km on SISI, but EFT says 14. Its not much of a differance, but what other miscalculations could there be in the program?
Don't get me wrong, EFT is a good program, it's just bugged Smile.

On topic: Ishkur should never have been able to field crusier size weapons. Just like noone can fit torps or cruiser missiles in their light and heavy launchers anymore. Was funny to fly a Kestral with cruise missiles loaded though.


wish people stop classifying drones as cruiser or whatever sized weapons, if thats the case we should stop battleships from using light drones.

Back to the point. Of course you cant fit torps and cruise missiles into heavy launchers... thats just idiotic. I guess we need to nerf stealth bombers since they are using battleship sized weapons zomg!


Drone's are classed on the same size as weapons and there is nothing to stop a battleship loading up frig or curiser guns.

On topic the ship is still great its not able to wack out curiser size drone's any more you don't see any other ships loading over sized weapons other than SB's that are made to fit them.
Hmm ishtar is so unbalanced. NERF! except ccp doesn't think so. What other Cruiser whether HAC or not can use BS sized weaponry well?

If Ishtar uses heavy drones and get's bonus why not let ishkur use mediums?

Ra'ita
Posted - 2007.12.10 09:16:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren

You see, that's not simply "improbably", it is inconceivable. It's bull****. There's no point in posting such ridiculous **** all over these forums.

EFT is not wonderful for being able to spit out such ridiculous numbers... EFT is wonderful for giving you an idea how a ship that you fly will perform.


Isn't that what EFT is for? Spitting out ridiculous bull****? OMFG IT'S SO IMBALANCED. NERF EFT.

Seriously though, this is getting old. I don't even fly that much PvP, but the setups and calls for nerfs/buffs have on the forums have really gotten under my skin. Just fly what you can to the best of your abilities. From there, deal.

Wardeneo
Gallente
BLL Wise Guys
Posted - 2007.12.10 09:40:00 - [39]
 

m8 i think u need to stop complaining!

i fly the ishkur, it holds just as many light drones as my rattin drake and holds 4 more drones than any other af, aslo if u get ur drone skills up and use t2 hobs u can get quite a bit of dps, and u can get t2 blasters if u want pure damage or rails if u want to stay ar range... i have taken out allmost all AF's using the ishkur as a blaster gank with drones platform, so all u got to do is edit your setup and get out pvp'in and testin! also if ur goin against a wolf or jag make sure u got 2 webs and allways use a MWD for gank setup it enables u to get in close quick :)

wardeneo

Kay Brack
Gallente
Superior Unified Ruling Federation
Posted - 2007.12.10 13:52:00 - [40]
 

At AF4 I lost the ability to field 3med 2light. I gained 5 m/3 drone space... I can understand the reality of CCP's new system but think that the least that should happen is that the Ishkur should gain 10 m/3 for a full second flight of smalls at AF4.

More to the point the Ishkur "should" hold 3 flights of smalls with the new system at AF4....


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