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XactoBlade
Posted - 2007.12.06 01:56:00 - [1]
 

I get a message: "Premium Graphics not supported" What graphic cards for the Mac are supported for the premium version?

I am running it on Radeon X1900, which I thought was a decent card... guess not.

Anyone know? Shocked

Knot Sure
Posted - 2007.12.06 01:58:00 - [2]
 

I got the same message. The premium content is not out for mac yet. I don't think the message is an accurate one for those of us on a mac.

Lauredris Maru
Amarr
Lyrix Industries
Posted - 2007.12.06 02:08:00 - [3]
 

Anyone know if MacBookPro graphics cards (GeForce 8600M GT, 256MB) will be in the category of cards supported by premium content (when it arrives)?

Shinpei
Posted - 2007.12.06 02:19:00 - [4]
 

yeah, it should. or I hope at least...

I really want the new graphic, and my brand new MacBook Pro with its graphic card really should handle the new engine... otherwise... I go and die lol no, but really, it can support the new engine right?

Lerinda Rasa
Posted - 2007.12.06 02:20:00 - [5]
 

Well, the 8600gt m has SM3 support etc, so from a hardware standpoint there's no reason to why it won't run Trinity with the premium content. However, since the client is wrapped in Cider it would depend on their support on the software side of things. Which is of course why we don't have the higher graphic settings available now, they need to code support for it.

No idea on how good the premium graphics would run in cider on a 8600gt m, since it's not out :P But if the current performance is any indication there might be "some" slowdown ;)

Sam Deacon
Posted - 2007.12.06 03:12:00 - [6]
 

I like that CCP neglected to mention that this wouldn't be the launch date for Mac... and just left it up to us to be disappointed after we finish downloading the patch. I only reactivated my subscription after a year last weekend. Mad


I've already been having a ****ty day. /quit

Seyk Terran
Acquisition Commune of Industry
Posted - 2007.12.06 03:50:00 - [7]
 

is it mac in general of just the laptops? I'm running an iMac g4 and it handles the old graphics excellently... I'll be very sad if all this hype was for not... Oh well maybe we'll get some free game time for it since they neglected to tell us it won't work. :)

Eltholi
Posted - 2007.12.06 04:50:00 - [8]
 

Evil or Very Mad I know! All the hype for the last few months have been on Trinity and how beautiful it is supposed to be and now the expansion comes and it is not available for the Mac!

Anyone have any idea when it will be available for the Mac?

My guess is that they have to wait for the DirectX9c features to be implemented in Cider.

Roccia19
Private Nuisance
Posted - 2007.12.06 05:45:00 - [9]
 

early 2008 has been the announced release date

CCP Lingorm


C C P
Posted - 2007.12.06 06:11:00 - [10]
 

It was mentioned when we launched the Mac and Linux Clients that we would not be supporting the Premium Client on Mac and Linux until Q1 next year.

As seen in this blog http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=517


Axon Calasis
Posted - 2007.12.06 08:29:00 - [11]
 

Yay for boot camp. I actually knew beforehand from reading through the features list for EVE Trinity that the premium graphics were not yet supported for the Mac, and pre-installed EVE onto Windows XP in preparation. I know that it is listed as being released "early 2008", which probably means around spring, which isn't exactly THAT far away, but I guess I'm just impatient like a lot of us are. Also, I want to get my girlfriend hooked, so I intend to show her the Trinity graphics tomorrow.

Either way, if you really want to see the new graphics so badly, just go the boot camp route, and blow it away once the Mac version comes out, if you really despise Windows that much. Or, just wait for "early 2008". :)

Nemesios
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2007.12.06 09:35:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Lauredris Maru
Anyone know if MacBookPro graphics cards (GeForce 8600M GT, 256MB) will be in the category of cards supported by premium content (when it arrives)?
This is only for PC because Microsoft and directx !!

Pak Narhoo
Gallente
Posted - 2007.12.06 10:55:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Eltholi
Evil or Very Mad I know! All the hype for the last few months have been on Trinity and how....


Confused
A little bit digging around wouldn't have hurt.
It was mentioned lots of times on Macworld, IMG, the ingame OSX channel, etc. etc.

It took 4 years to get EVE on our Mac's, 2-3 month's more to see
the pretty (very pretty) pictures don't matter that much.
Measured in skill time its a drop of H2O on a hot plate.Twisted Evil

Tyranis Bolke
Kingfisher Industries
Posted - 2007.12.06 11:08:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Tyranis Bolke on 06/12/2007 11:10:30
At the end of the day, Trinity has still delivered a massive performance boost with or without the new graphics, and that's what really matters. I'm loving my 200% increase in average framerate.

Originally by: Lauredris Maru
Anyone know if MacBookPro graphics cards (GeForce 8600M GT, 256MB) will be in the category of cards supported by premium content (when it arrives)?


Supported in theory, yes. Supported in practise, possibly not. Greater load on the GPU = More Heat = higher chance of crashing. Wait and see what happens though.

Akion Noscire
Viziam
Posted - 2007.12.06 13:43:00 - [15]
 

I'm running Eve premium via bootcamp on a macbook pro 2.2ghz and I get around 50 fps stable.

Claude Glystra
The Scope
Posted - 2007.12.06 15:12:00 - [16]
 

me too on iMac+7600GT
bootcamp + premium 90FPS @1280x800

at the actual ratio the OSX "premium" client will run @15 FPS...


Seyk Terran
Acquisition Commune of Industry
Posted - 2007.12.06 16:05:00 - [17]
 

So it was mentioned in blogs, forums, and in game OSX chat so that a person would have to dig to find the answer?? Sorry, not a good enough response. Something like this should have been posted with the client news, on the trailer page, on the eve home page, somewhere where people actually look and frequent. Come on, any self-respecting software company should know that.

Still upset and disappointed...

Claude Glystra
The Scope
Posted - 2007.12.06 16:59:00 - [18]
 

ok fine ... for the support you need (at least) an ati x1300 or an nvidia 6100
technically both those support Shader Model 3

problem is: the DX wrapper and OSX emulation

in short: who cares of the OSX -premium- client when the classic runs at 1/3 speed of the Windows hardware counterpart?
I need a MacPro and two 8800 in SLI mode to play at the same speed of one 8600 on XP?
No thanks


Grayven Warlock
Amarr
Majestic Trust
Posted - 2007.12.06 18:45:00 - [19]
 

I've tested now both the new clients (OSX & BootCamp)
on the same machine (iMac 2.16/2GB/7600GT at 1280x800)
with the same scene (in station) average framerate is:

OSX Classic 60 FPS (nice works, improved from last build)
WIN Classic 280 FPS (this one too)
WIN Premium 90 FPS
WIN Premium (full fx + bloom) 35 FPS

at this point, the same Mac can run, using XP SP2, the Premium FASTER than OSX Classic
and doing some simple math : OSX Classic / Win Classic = OSX Premium / Win Premium
I can *presume* an OSX Premium will runs at 19 FPS without HDR, 8 FPS with HDR and Bloom

so, take your conclusion about the delay and missing announcements... SadSadSadSad


Swordfishe
Posted - 2007.12.06 19:48:00 - [20]
 

Yeah, I guess "upset" is the term I'd use. I came back to EVE because I wanted to see Trinity and I have really only this month to invest in the game, but now CCP is going to be taking their holiday while I'm stuck in chat just reading about how great it is. Okay, so they mentioned it in a blog any new/returning users have never heard about? Thanks.

It kind of says a lot about what they're investing in their Mac/Linux userbase. I don't have a hard drive I can partition, and I tried using CrossOver over a month ago and couldn't even create a character, so now my trial is expired. Wee.

Morczo Motaki
Posted - 2007.12.06 20:04:00 - [21]
 

I'm upset too. There was no public announcement that the Mac version wouldn't support the new graphics engine. Thing is, I wouldn't have minded if they'd explained in advance it was because Cider doesn't support a recent-enough DirectX. But waiting until the release date to get a message "Premium graphics is not supported on your hardware" (or whatever) just sucks.

I say CCP should be more transparent in future.

Tajidan
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2007.12.06 20:12:00 - [22]
 

grrr, honestly. i absolutely respect all the decisions made but the communication from ccp's side seems to get worse. a little reprocessed info from the blogs as a sticky in the mac forums couldnt hurt :( but just mention it in a devblog somewhen, please.. as much as i love the game and as much as i luv you guys (aww grouphug) i cant be bothered to search every single corner of the website, this gets a fulltime job real fast :(

Garand Delmas
Posted - 2007.12.06 22:52:00 - [23]
 

I was under the impression from long ago that there would be a delay on the Premium engine on the Mac. I'm impressed they managed to get the classic update out on time.

I'd say cut CCP some slack here - they are using a third-party to make the Mac versions, and CCP can do very little to get Transgaming to update Cider any faster so it supports the later DirectX features. We're lucky Cider exists at all as otherwise the Mac probably wouldn't be cost-effective for CCP to support.

Tajidan
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2007.12.07 07:47:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Garand Delmas
I was under the impression from long ago that there would be a delay on the Premium engine on the Mac. I'm impressed they managed to get the classic update out on time.

I'd say cut CCP some slack here - they are using a third-party to make the Mac versions, and CCP can do very little to get Transgaming to update Cider any faster so it supports the later DirectX features. We're lucky Cider exists at all as otherwise the Mac probably wouldn't be cost-effective for CCP to support.



as i said, i totally agree with you. its just that it could have been better announced, for example with a stickeyh here in the mac section or something


Taale Storm
Posted - 2007.12.07 18:17:00 - [25]
 

come on lets face it... if they actually wrote a mac client instead of us having to use a wine/cider emulation... then we would be able to get some decent frame rates and graphics... come on guys... face it the mac is a far better platform for your game... but i also want to add that if we can't have the premium graphics then maybe a reduction in monthly fee for mac users... its only fair as your not offering mac clients the same as windozers... fair is fair

oop's did i say that out loud..


Seyk Terran
Acquisition Commune of Industry
Posted - 2007.12.07 20:19:00 - [26]
 

I'll agree with that, I'll take a discount. Or some free gametime like I said earlier :D

Pandrion
Posted - 2007.12.10 19:51:00 - [27]
 

/Sticky?
Laughing

Lexi Luscious
Posted - 2007.12.10 20:23:00 - [28]
 

Heh, I don't care about the premium graphics... I'd rather have the old pre-Dec 5th '07 OS X client.

You know, the one that doesn't crash every time you even think about warping somewhere?

Darahk J'olonar
Gallente
Trans Eve Organization
Posted - 2007.12.10 22:38:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: CCP Lingorm
It was mentioned when we launched the Mac and Linux Clients that we would not be supporting the Premium Client on Mac and Linux until Q1 next year.

As seen in this blog http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=517




How about supporting the "Official classic client" for Mac and Linux and giving us one that doesn't crash every X minutes for reasons unknown? Seriously, I understand that getting shiny new ships to pew pew in would be nice. It would also be REALLY nice if the not so shiny ones we fly right now don't get blown up because the client crashes randomly AND frequently.


 

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