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Oregem 2
Posted - 2007.12.06 16:59:00 - [241]
 

Edited by: Oregem 2 on 06/12/2007 20:01:14
Dear CCP,

Yada emo stuff.

Done.


SirTKAR
Gallente
Freedom Freight Inc.
Posted - 2007.12.06 17:06:00 - [242]
 

Howdy,

I haven't got my desktop upgraded to Premium yet, so all I've been able to experience so far is Trinity Classic.

I love a lot of the little changes that have been made. Like being able to move the Overview, Drone, and Fleet lists. The elimination of the X button from the chat window, since you can't close it anyway. The autotargeting settting in the options. All great tweaks :)

The only tweak that I've found so far that I really really don't like is that the Notes, Log, and Calculator are now in that Accessories tab in the NeoCom. I use those often and having three buttons on the NeoCom itself was much more convenient than having to go through a litte dropdown menu to reach them.

L8Rz,

SirTKAR

Eraggan Sadarr
Comply Or Die
Posted - 2007.12.06 17:16:00 - [243]
 

Originally by: SnakeByte86
I am not the least bit impressed.
But my 7950gs, 2gigs of ram, core 2 duo. Gets about 2 FPS with the new graphics turned on, whats more, i dont notice any difference, except the textures. I've yet to see HDR even once.


There must be something wrong with your driver of eve settings. Teh system you have suggests better fps. If you have shadows at extreme, i suggest lowering it to high or normal.
Originally by: SnakeByte86

Why did you switch buttons into accessories? I run at 1920x1200 resolution, so everything fits on my screen, now why do i need to go through a menu to find my calculator or my note pad? Poor design for sure.


Agree
Originally by: SnakeByte86

The most annoying "feature?" is that when i attempt to view info on more then one object, i dont get multiple windows. I get one window with a "previous" and "next" button.

Makes comparing things, especially multiple items, ******ED.

There is a checkbox in settings thats called something like "reuse info windows", check this off!

Lazarann
Ideal Machine
Posted - 2007.12.06 17:16:00 - [244]
 

Originally by: Oregem 2
Dear CCP,

Thank you for ****ing up production royally. After 4 and a half year of playing you really managed to **** me off so much that I dont like to play anymore. All the T2 ship production batches have changed, you even managed to change the requirements for T2 drones, needing t1 drones to make t2.... Wanna bet you didnt do that for all the other ammo, hell knows what else you managed to cripple. Clearly you think that we are now going to build 1 T2 ship at a time? Are you guys trying to drive ppl away?

You clearly dont have a shimmer how much work we production guys do to keep all this in spreadsheets and such. Its very, very dissapointing.

emote waves a certain finger at Iceland.




Well that's how you make tech 2 ships, so it makes sense really.

Rells
Caldari
Fusillade.
Posted - 2007.12.06 17:18:00 - [245]
 

Minor bugs. Unfortunate likely typo on the BOOT.INI. Otherwise STELAR job.

Thanks for the free content yet again.

Dressan Zarrs
Posted - 2007.12.06 17:19:00 - [246]
 

first of all: well done CCP! great work.The game really looks way better than before. Smile
but: the quality of the ingame-graphics doesnŽt reach the trailer. (ok... mostly the ingame-graphics donŽt reach the quality of the trailer/s)
one example is the new texture-system. for example..if you look on the raven or ferox on the trinity wallpaper and compare it to the ingame graphics youŽll see the difference.

nevertheless: eve is a great game and trinty makes it even better (looking)!
respect CCP! I hope the eve-universe will stay alive for a long time.

when is the dx10 update being released?

Kurogauna
Posted - 2007.12.06 17:31:00 - [247]
 

Edited by: Kurogauna on 06/12/2007 17:31:40


i love the new graphism for the gallentean faction
removed. nsfw - Valorem

Xaen
Caldari
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2007.12.06 17:59:00 - [248]
 

Edited by: Xaen on 06/12/2007 18:02:55
Some constructive (I hope) feedback:

Put the permanent pin/close/minimize buttons back on. The "only appear on mouse over" functionality is nothing but an irritating novelty much like mouse-hover menus.

Minimize all hotkey also minimizes overview and selected target windows. This sucks. It didn't do it before.

Why did you move/rearrange the quit game/close buttons? They were fine the way they were before (centered, and therefore more likely to require less mouse movement to use.

Where the heck is the "launch all drones" hotkey?!?! If there's a hot key to recall them, there should be a hotkey to launch them. Understandably this would not be ideal for ships holding more drone-age than than they can control, but for all the other ships it would be nice. A better implementation would be drone groups.

Also, moving the log, calculator into "Notes". WHY? There's was plenty of unused space on the side bar and now there's even MORE wasted space. Why did you add additional, unnecessary user actions to the process of launching one of these apps? Which one of you sadistic bastards gets off on popup menus? Please sack that person. As far as UI changes go, this was a step in the WRONG direction.

Lazarann
Ideal Machine
Posted - 2007.12.06 18:11:00 - [249]
 

Originally by: Xaen
Edited by: Xaen on 06/12/2007 18:02:55
Some constructive (I hope) feedback:

Put the permanent pin/close/minimize buttons back on. The "only appear on mouse over" functionality is nothing but an irritating novelty much like mouse-hover menus.

Minimize all hotkey also minimizes overview and selected target windows. This sucks. It didn't do it before.

Why did you move/rearrange the quit game/close buttons? They were fine the way they were before (centered, and therefore more likely to require less mouse movement to use.

Where the heck is the "launch all drones" hotkey?!?! If there's a hot key to recall them, there should be a hotkey to launch them. Understandably this would not be ideal for ships holding more drone-age than than they can control, but for all the other ships it would be nice. A better implementation would be drone groups.

Also, moving the log, calculator into "Notes". WHY? There's was plenty of unused space on the side bar and now there's even MORE wasted space. Why did you add additional, unnecessary user actions to the process of launching one of these apps? Which one of you sadistic bastards gets off on popup menus? Please sack that person. As far as UI changes go, this was a step in the WRONG direction.

The mouse-over of the pin/close/minimize is probably more of an opinion thing, personally, I like it.
If you want less mouse movment to quit the game, why not just use ctrl+q? Complaining you have to move your mouse another few inches is kind of silly.
Suggesting someone should be sacked over something that you don't like is a bit extreme, although I agree it's annoying.

CCP Greyscale

Posted - 2007.12.06 18:15:00 - [250]
 

Originally by: Bish Ounen
Glad to know that, The next question is; If I shrink the "Selected Item" window, will the "Overview" window snap to it? IE: shrink up the "SI" window, "Overview" follows it up. Bring the "SI" back down, and the "Overview" moves down with it. Or will the two windows just move separately? If they move separately that will be a problem.



Yes Smile

Lazarann
Ideal Machine
Posted - 2007.12.06 18:34:00 - [251]
 

Originally by: CCP Greyscale

Originally by: Lazarann
What happened to the new drones ("named" drones) we heard about at fanfest?


Nothing "happened" with them - they're out there... somewhere Wink



Any chance you want to be more specific? Razz I'll assume for now they're through invention or something to that effect.

FireFoxx80
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.12.06 18:36:00 - [252]
 

All the textures of ships look worse than before. Now just faux-metal, like you get in Doom3.

7600GT 256MB, E6400, 2GB RAM.

Price Watcher
Posted - 2007.12.06 18:40:00 - [253]
 

Good job on the Eve-Voice. Very Happy

Minus several bazillion points for the destruction of many boot.ini files due to extremely poor planning and programming.Shocked

I hope CCP will reimburse all those poor people who are not technophiles and had to pay someone real-life money to fix their computers after CCP broke them. (Not me BTW)

Man up, CCP.

Bellasarius Baxter
Caldari
Zilog Enterprises
Posted - 2007.12.06 18:43:00 - [254]
 

The new Premium stuff is looking good, unfortunately I have a few things I would like to see fixed in the new UI, though:

1) In the overview it is no longer possible to collapse the "Selected item" window. It can be minimized, instead. Very annoying.
2) In the new drone window, the shield/armor/hull display is right-to left, not left-to-right, as before. Needs some getting used to.
3) The "Floating cargo" and "Items" windows seem to share properties (size & position), so I can no longer have a small "Floating cargo" window for looting, and a big "Items" window when docked. Extremely annoying.



Jommis
Honningbarna
Posted - 2007.12.06 18:52:00 - [255]
 

Hi.

I have some trouble using torpedoes.
My torps does no damage at all against sansha lords.

Anyone else have this problem?

- Jommis

Poba
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2007.12.06 18:57:00 - [256]
 

not that I really want to kick a dead horse, being that the issue has come up so much, but please reconsider the gallente ship color scheme, its not the worst thing you could have done, but it deffinatly could be changed to make alot of people happy.

I see drones how stick together more; which is a great improvement, but i still have issues with OGRE IIs getting distracted as they fly 50 km to a RAT and having to remind them to attack the same target multiple times to get them all on the right ship.

myrm/eos nerf : i understand they had the ability of being overpowered, but if you wanted to reduce their DPS I think you should have removed turrent slots from the myrm (6 turrent slots with no bonus on a drone boat ?!?!?) like you did with the eos, and should have reduced the drone bandwidth to 100 instead of 125, i think the turrent + 25m3 reduction would have made the myrm alot more balanced without infuriating all the gal drone pilots, and wouldnt be surprised if we ended up with a myrm more like that after all the feedback is assessed.

Damps needed a nerf I agree, but for non damp ships only. damp ships should have bonus increased from 5% to 10% to help them be more usefull again (when u nerfed NOS, you gave amarr recons new bonuses to help compensate instead of leaving the ships broken)

Drone bandwidth is nice, but i think you should have the ability to launch full bandwidth not limited by 5 drones, bandwidth and drone limit together are a bit excessive i think.

Pretty new graphics tho, great jobs CCP, but like all things in the MMO world it will need some changing, but thats what more patches are for so everyone just calm down and try to give them usefull and non-irate feedback.

Lazarann
Ideal Machine
Posted - 2007.12.06 19:04:00 - [257]
 

Originally by: Jommis
Hi.

I have some trouble using torpedoes.
My torps does no damage at all against sansha lords.

Anyone else have this problem?

- Jommis

Read the patch notes or the millions of threads about it. Max you can get your torps with a raven is like 30km now. Get closer and you should be fine (or use cruise).

Xaen
Caldari
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2007.12.06 19:17:00 - [258]
 

Originally by: Lazarann
If you want less mouse movment to quit the game, why not just use ctrl+q?
Ctrl+q is not bound to anything :)

Originally by: Lazarann
Complaining you have to move your mouse another few inches is kind of silly.
No. The difference between a poor UI and a great one is measured in hand movement, number of actions required to accomplish a task(fewer is better), and intuitiveness. Station hangar item management can take as many as eighteen steps. This could easily be reduced by 94%. But CCP clearly doesn't know wtf they're doing when it comes to HCI.
Originally by: Lazarann
Suggesting someone should be sacked over something that you don't like is a bit extreme, although I agree it's annoying.
Whomever it was was apparently in a position of power to make changes to the game client and clearly don't have a freaking clue about HCI. It's not just one change. It's what that change reveals about the designer.

Xaen
Caldari
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2007.12.06 19:20:00 - [259]
 

Originally by: Bellasarius Baxter
2) In the new drone window, the shield/armor/hull display is right-to left, not left-to-right, as before. Needs some getting used to.
Agreed, this is, to use proper HCI terminology, "bassackwards".

It doesn't need getting used to, it needs changed.

VheroKai
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
Posted - 2007.12.06 19:22:00 - [260]
 

Originally by: Lazarann
If you want less mouse movment to quit the game, why not just use ctrl+q? Complaining you have to move your mouse another few inches is kind of silly.


It is silly for You. Glad to know You are healty person without any issues with sight or motion.
But blaming people for their health problem is at least non-ethical.
Please shut up.

Lazarann
Ideal Machine
Posted - 2007.12.06 19:27:00 - [261]
 

Originally by: VheroKai
Originally by: Lazarann
If you want less mouse movment to quit the game, why not just use ctrl+q? Complaining you have to move your mouse another few inches is kind of silly.


It is silly for You. Glad to know You are healty person without any issues with sight or motion.
But blaming people for their health problem is at least non-ethical.
Please shut up.

Right, I'll certainly listen to a reply like that. Instead, why not act like a mature adult and explain a little more? I said nothing regarding health issues, and his was obviously not regarding a health issue either, so please shut up yourself unless you're going to give a mature response.

Nhi'Khuna
The Environmental Management Team
Posted - 2007.12.06 19:34:00 - [262]
 

Nice job CCP. Whiners be damned, you've worked hard and I think it shows.

Ethaet
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.12.06 19:34:00 - [263]
 

I have this really bad bug, all the gallente ships now look really ugly. Switching back to the old graphics fixes it though.

VheroKai
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
Posted - 2007.12.06 19:46:00 - [264]
 

Originally by: Lazarann
Right, I'll certainly listen to a reply like that. Instead, why not act like a mature adult and explain a little more? I said nothing regarding health issues, and his was obviously not regarding a health issue either, so please shut up yourself unless you're going to give a mature response.


Well, I have problem with Ctrl+Q or whatever key "Exit" assigned to.
I use keyboard extensively while playing and even I have no major problem with motion, I accidentally pushing Alt+Enter or Ctrl+Q from time to time.
Alt+Enter (Fullscreen) force my PC to unexpected reboot, Ctrl+Q is a bit less problematic.
Before Trinity, I was able to kick both shortcuts off from list, now Alt+Enter is locked and cannot be removed. (That's idiocy)
With the latest update I was pushed away for a couple of hours before my friend came back from work and help me placing client back in windowed mode. But it is impossible to prevent future problems due to locked key.

Lazarann
Ideal Machine
Posted - 2007.12.06 19:53:00 - [265]
 

Originally by: VheroKai
Originally by: Lazarann
Right, I'll certainly listen to a reply like that. Instead, why not act like a mature adult and explain a little more? I said nothing regarding health issues, and his was obviously not regarding a health issue either, so please shut up yourself unless you're going to give a mature response.


Well, I have problem with Ctrl+Q or whatever key "Exit" assigned to.
I use keyboard extensively while playing and even I have no major problem with motion, I accidentally pushing Alt+Enter or Ctrl+Q from time to time.
Alt+Enter (Fullscreen) force my PC to unexpected reboot, Ctrl+Q is a bit less problematic.
Before Trinity, I was able to kick both shortcuts off from list, now Alt+Enter is locked and cannot be removed. (That's idiocy)
With the latest update I was pushed away for a couple of hours before my friend came back from work and help me placing client back in windowed mode. But it is impossible to prevent future problems due to locked key.

Much better, thank you.
I agree, they should allow you to remove those binds.
I still have no idea what health problems you were talking about, but thanks for reposting.
Kinda weird your PC reboots with Alt+Enter though lol. Maybe your video drivers are out of date and it causes some kind of hardware problem? Just a guess, never heard of that before.

VheroKai
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
Posted - 2007.12.06 20:05:00 - [266]
 

Originally by: Lazarann
Much better, thank you.
I agree, they should allow you to remove those binds.
I still have no idea what health problems you were talking about, but thanks for reposting.
Kinda weird your PC reboots with Alt+Enter though lol. Maybe your video drivers are out of date and it causes some kind of hardware problem? Just a guess, never heard of that before.


I know that it is driver conflict problem, but for ages we every time failed to solve it, so we decided to live with it. It is working fine with anything I want from it, and beeing unable to run 3D apps in fullscreen is a minor issue, really. (In fact, it is advantage - I have access to other things like IM client window while playing EVE)

Speaking about health problems I'd better decline to comment further, just notify that it is real problem, and with new "interface" (read: "idiocy"), at least one person barely can play EVE and decided to suspend account. If 3 things will not be rolled back, it is end of game for my best friend.

Lazarann
Ideal Machine
Posted - 2007.12.06 20:09:00 - [267]
 

Edited by: Lazarann on 06/12/2007 20:10:41
Originally by: VheroKai
Originally by: Lazarann
Much better, thank you.
I agree, they should allow you to remove those binds.
I still have no idea what health problems you were talking about, but thanks for reposting.
Kinda weird your PC reboots with Alt+Enter though lol. Maybe your video drivers are out of date and it causes some kind of hardware problem? Just a guess, never heard of that before.


I know that it is driver conflict problem, but for ages we every time failed to solve it, so we decided to live with it. It is working fine with anything I want from it, and beeing unable to run 3D apps in fullscreen is a minor issue, really. (In fact, it is advantage - I have access to other things like IM client window while playing EVE)

Speaking about health problems I'd better decline to comment further, just notify that it is real problem, and with new "interface" (read: "idiocy"), at least one person barely can play EVE and decided to suspend account. If 3 things will not be rolled back, it is end of game for my best friend.


Fair enough, although if they're health issues, mentioning them might make the change more likely, although I understand why you don't want to.

VheroKai
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
Posted - 2007.12.06 20:23:00 - [268]
 

Well, we saw some posts mentioning same issues, and while his account was suspended in the same time as patch deployed, he decided to wait at least month (time to complete ongoing skill) before reactivating account and post issues in a whole.

Marsian
Posted - 2007.12.06 20:54:00 - [269]
 

CCP,

just wanted to say : great upgrade...

i saw the screenshots, but it really is amazing, what an enormous amount of work this must have been.
I don't even have such a great gfx card and it still works great.

Triana
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.12.06 21:31:00 - [270]
 

ok a few things:

New engine is the top dog, amazing really

on the downside, looting mission has become a nightmare with the size of mods being increased :(


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