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Tyleritus
Mortis Angelus
Posted - 2007.12.06 07:42:00 - [181]
 

Originally by: TheRealWaldo
Complete from scratch re-install... Still crashing randomly anywhere between 5 and 10 minutes in. Doesn't seem to matter what I do. System listed as compatible, and well above minimum requirements, running Vista.

W.


What ISP you on? If your on Virgin in the UK your possibly being shaped, in this case you need to goto the general sectiona where to says unable to access port 2600 (its a sticky) and follow the instructions.

TyrianEagle
Chronic Progressive Vanity
Posted - 2007.12.06 07:57:00 - [182]
 

Good:

Stations (especially Caldari, no more tin cans)
Raven
Crane (I hated that rust brown color, now my baby's black...with red racing stripes!)
Bustard (the camo now seems to change and blends with the region like a chameleon...very cool!)
Stargates (especially Caldari, again, less tin cans and stamped metal)

Bad:

Viator (no more front spotlights up top...I always thought they were cool)
Dominix (wtf happened to that thing?!)
Myrmidon (not as flashy, anymore)
All Gallente Ships (they look like they've been sandblasted or in front of suns too long)
All ships seem to not display flames from engine thrust at times when in sub warp. May be just me, if not, I'm sure it'll be fixed in a patch.

Overall:

The entire universe overall looks fantastic, and more importantly, EVE seems to run smoother, and maybe even a little faster.

...could someone please clue me in about the bright flashing star in every system now?

Scutters Return
Gallente
Posted - 2007.12.06 08:02:00 - [183]
 

Excellent work CCPVery Happy

I had a play last night configuring clients and the new graphics are stunning.Very HappyVery HappyVery HappyVery Happy
Only fly in the ointment being the fps using multiple clients. I have a new Dell XPS 1730 laptop and used to run four clients concurrently without issue. Now I can run two clients at slightly reduced fps but any more and it starts to grindSad
If you have any spare timeLaughing any chance you can look into this?
As a work around I now have eight installs, four Premium and four Classic so I can run four standard clients or one (maybe two) Uber clients.It works a treat so no hurry IMO.

Thank you very much CCP for, IMO the best, smoothest release everVery HappyCool
Nice Christmas Present

SnakeByte86
Posted - 2007.12.06 08:16:00 - [184]
 

I am not the least bit impressed.

First of all, the graphics.
I dont have the fastest computer out there, i dont even have the fastest laptop.

But my 7950gs, 2gigs of ram, core 2 duo. Gets about 2 FPS with the new graphics turned on, whats more, i dont notice any difference, except the textures. I've yet to see HDR even once.

With all the new graphics turned off, I get 45 or so fps. Even though nothing changes on my screen from them being turned on. I've compared the screenshots. they are identical.

Why did you nerf my nightmare?

Why did you switch buttons into accessories? I run at 1920x1200 resolution, so everything fits on my screen, now why do i need to go through a menu to find my calculator or my note pad? Poor design for sure.

Why oh god did you nerf torps so bad. I'm not even a mission runner, and i can see where it is an issue.

The most annoying "feature?" is that when i attempt to view info on more then one object, i dont get multiple windows. I get one window with a "previous" and "next" button.

Makes comparing things, especially multiple items, ******ED.


This is two "expansions" in a row, that have helped little, nerfed lots, broken things that were fine, and further spread the gap between super alliances, and small alliances, or corps.

I've been all for eve, untill these last 2 xpacs.

Stop fixing things that are NOT broken.
Stop Nerfing things that do NOT need Nerfed.


I am very disapointed in you. VERY.

Can I get a refund for the month i just purchased an hour ago?

Mullethead
Mercurialis Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.06 08:42:00 - [185]
 

Originally by: J'Mkarr Soban
FOR ALL THOSE WITH SKEWED TARGETING

There is a little circle in the corner of where your targets start from. If the target is in the top-left quarter of the screen, the circle will be at the top left of the target. Bottom-right quarter of the screen, bottom-right of the target. You can drag this around to change the initial location of the targets, which automatically align to whichever quadrant the targets are dragged to (you'll see the position of them change around this circle). Right clicking allows you to lock the position and also change horizontal and vertical alignment.

The circle is quite faded, you might need to turn up the brightness to see it.



I have this issue and cant see any little circles...any other ideas anyone....please...?

Lazarann
Ideal Machine
Posted - 2007.12.06 08:45:00 - [186]
 

Edited by: Lazarann on 06/12/2007 08:45:47
Originally by: SnakeByte86

Why did you nerf my nightmare?

Why did you switch buttons into accessories? I run at 1920x1200 resolution, so everything fits on my screen, now why do i need to go through a menu to find my calculator or my note pad? Poor design for sure.

Why oh god did you nerf torps so bad. I'm not even a mission runner, and i can see where it is an issue.

The most annoying "feature?" is that when i attempt to view info on more then one object, i dont get multiple windows. I get one window with a "previous" and "next" button.

Makes comparing things, especially multiple items, ******ED.



-In regards to the Nightmare: Not everyone sees it as a nerf, it's a matter of opinion.
-Not everyone runs at 1920x1200, or other various resolutions like that. Just because you do doesn't mean that's what the game should be based upon.
-IMO, torps are where they should be. Torps and cruise now have the same relationship as blasters and rails.
-For the tenth time, hit escape, general options, 3rd from the bottom on the right, uncheck the box where it says something to the effect of "try and use existing show info window"
Can I have your stuff? Particularly your Nightmare if it's been so badly "nerfed".

Minsebstor
Phaze-9
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2007.12.06 08:47:00 - [187]
 

nice work CCP Very Happy

Callisto Ares
Companion Cube Industries
Posted - 2007.12.06 08:50:00 - [188]
 

Why 'o why did my mean green Gallente ships go baby blue with the dulled paint? Please reconsider and bring them back inline with how they were before? This was something that made my decision to even go with gallente ships rather than Caldari or Minnie.

Even the fixed shuttle still looks a little dull with the flat paint, but I appreciate the effort to bring the contrast to it and drop the blue.

Everything else looks great in the game.

The only other thing I noticed is it seems difficult to run multiple clients now with the trinity client upgrade even on a 7950gx2 system with 2G ram it can get choppy.

SnakeByte86
Posted - 2007.12.06 09:04:00 - [189]
 

Originally by: Lazarann
Edited by: Lazarann on 06/12/2007 08:45:47
Originally by: SnakeByte86

Why did you nerf my nightmare?

Why did you switch buttons into accessories? I run at 1920x1200 resolution, so everything fits on my screen, now why do i need to go through a menu to find my calculator or my note pad? Poor design for sure.

Why oh god did you nerf torps so bad. I'm not even a mission runner, and i can see where it is an issue.

The most annoying "feature?" is that when i attempt to view info on more then one object, i dont get multiple windows. I get one window with a "previous" and "next" button.

Makes comparing things, especially multiple items, ******ED.



-In regards to the Nightmare: Not everyone sees it as a nerf, it's a matter of opinion.
-Not everyone runs at 1920x1200, or other various resolutions like that. Just because you do doesn't mean that's what the game should be based upon.
-IMO, torps are where they should be. Torps and cruise now have the same relationship as blasters and rails.
-For the tenth time, hit escape, general options, 3rd from the bottom on the right, uncheck the box where it says something to the effect of "try and use existing show info window"
Can I have your stuff? Particularly your Nightmare if it's been so badly "nerfed".



-Nightmare is poopy now. I mean if i want a laser platform i'd just use a Armageddon....
-It has been like this for years, why change now? Why not auto change it depending on resolution? Like i said. Poor design.
-I can understand the argument for short range torps, I even agree with it, but 10k? It needs to be 25k. Auto cannons and blasters have falloff, missiles don't. Auto cannons and blasters can also use long range ammo. Long range missile ammo is t2, and useless. Pulse range can hit 40-50k easily with long range crystals, auto cannons 25-30k easily. I don't know about blasters because i never used them, but i sure as hell know I've been shot by blasterthons farther then 15k.
-Thank you for telling me about this option, though i don't see why it isn't mention anywhere else, or why it is the new default. It would be wiser to keep the default, what it has always been, and keep the option, for the new design. But ccp, you dont think that far ahead do you?
-No you cant have my stuff, Noobs don't know how to use 79billion in assets/isk correctly.

Dracule
Amarr
Yrma sales unlimited
Posted - 2007.12.06 09:37:00 - [190]
 

Why the ****, why the ****, WHY THE **** am I just downloading at 6kb p/second ?

Dont use crappy servers for things like this CCP, any mirror up, other then this gay ccp.lo.llnwd crap

Jerusalem Eve
Amarr
Posted - 2007.12.06 09:40:00 - [191]
 

It would have been a much better move in the long run if Zulupark and the balance team would have much upfront and willing to discuss the Torpedo changes. Rather than running off and hiding.

First we get a "wait til we finalize our numbers for torps before commenting". Then we get in a completely different forum topic a short sentance that "the changes are final". That was it. No commentary at all! No blog nothing. Even posts that pointed out some issues, nope.

Its stuff like this that causes far more damage to the game when the players feel the devs are making changes from the "ivory tower". Far worse than even the bpo incedent that was covered up.

WA Dragon
Caldari
108 Field Squadron RM RE
Posted - 2007.12.06 09:42:00 - [192]
 

DARK why is it so DARK! my ships are now black siloets in some space if it wasant for a few blinking lights I would not know it was there.

Ships and mods in the hanger are black squars, : (

All sems very rushed to me 50 years of man power can not be rushed into 1 year not matter how many programmers you put on it. 1 programer = 1 year- 50 programmers = 50year crambed into 1 year. so what your saying here is you had 50+ programmers all working on this solid with no sick leave, no holidays and no toilet breaks.

It looks rushed it is rushed and well putting all the settings back to pri-patch is a bit like paying for a rolls roys and driving an alegro.

Bottom line here is while you at CCP HQ have high tec computers to run this we in the real world dont, what looks out of this world fantastic to you looks pants on our held togeather by gaffer tape computers. You need to get real CCP.

Seems a little like a waste of 50 man years CCP congrats. Very disapointed

Admiral Pelleon
White Shadow Imperium
Posted - 2007.12.06 09:55:00 - [193]
 

Hey, you broke boot.ini

Just FYI.

Dionisius
Gallente
the muppets
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2007.12.06 10:19:00 - [194]
 

Edited by: Dionisius on 06/12/2007 10:58:24
I'm sooooooo happy right now. Very Happy

The new graphics look awesome and the connection is smooth, the gameplay is even smoother than before.
Me likes it alot!!!Razz

The new ships are awesome!

Pic
Pic

Khanar Liden
East Khanid Trading
Posted - 2007.12.06 10:20:00 - [195]
 

Edited by: Khanar Liden on 06/12/2007 10:20:58
Shocked seriously, I knew the new graphics engine would be good...but seeing it in action for myself was awe inspiring...my previously cartoonish gold leafed maller suddenly looks...real...nice job ccp...

Capt Willard
Battlestars
S E D I T I O N
Posted - 2007.12.06 10:26:00 - [196]
 

Good work CCP!!!, everything looks fantastic, although i'd have liked the POS stuff to look abit more different. I'm sure all those who get on with their parents, where not mistreated at school and don't have a PC with a 'Millenium Compliant' sticker on the front will agree this is another great expansion.

TVPR
Posted - 2007.12.06 10:30:00 - [197]
 

Originally by: SnakeByte86
-Nightmare is poopy now. I mean if i want a laser platform i'd just use a Armageddon....
-It has been like this for years, why change now? Why not auto change it depending on resolution? Like i said. Poor design.
-I can understand the argument for short range torps, I even agree with it, but 10k? It needs to be 25k. Auto cannons and blasters have falloff, missiles don't. Auto cannons and blasters can also use long range ammo. Long range missile ammo is t2, and useless. Pulse range can hit 40-50k easily with long range crystals, auto cannons 25-30k easily. I don't know about blasters because i never used them, but i sure as hell know I've been shot by blasterthons farther then 15k.
-Thank you for telling me about this option, though i don't see why it isn't mention anywhere else, or why it is the new default. It would be wiser to keep the default, what it has always been, and keep the option, for the new design. But ccp, you dont think that far ahead do you?
-No you cant have my stuff, Noobs don't know how to use 79billion in assets/isk correctly.


-Different horses for different courses?
-Because there were a zillion buttons on the menu, cluttering stuff up. Had it been my call, I'd have put way more items into categories. And biomassed the tutorial button. More tidy. Good design.
-A good T1 blaster has a base range optimal/falloff of some 7/10km, push that to 10/15km with skills and modules. Then load real charges with a 50% range penalty. Now. Would you like some cheese with that long-overpowered torpedo wine?
-Agreed, they should have kept it like before. Having to shift+click or disable stuff we've grown used to in the esc-menu is stupid. This is a prime example of that bad design you mentioned earlier.
-Then I'd like your stuff. I can find fun stuff to spend it on.

Other that that, yay for new graphics, not so yay for the hordes of non-booting, boot.ini-lacking computers out there, less yay still for me having to dig through tons of crap to get a new driver for my laptop vidcard (why can't they just support regular issue drivers?).

Most of all YAY for not putting us through patch week!

BAD MUTHER
Posted - 2007.12.06 10:33:00 - [198]
 

Sansh's Savage Load BONTY 950,000.00
15 km from it fiREing 6 x CALDARI NAVY MJOLNIR TORPEDOS at it
6x ARBALEST' SIEGE MISSILE LAUNCHER ALL AT ONCE 200 TORPEDOS WERE FIRED

O EFFECK O DAMAGE THE RAT NELY KILD ME WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO THE GAME
TORPEDOS ARE USELESS THUS BS ES FIREING TORPEDOS CAN BE KILD BY A RAT LOL
PLEASE RETURN THE TORPEDO FIRE POWER...........
OR DONT MACK THIS Sansh's Savage Load IN TO A GOD RAT IT IS INPOSIBLE TO KILL WHITH
TORPEDOS

Edmund Khan
Destructive Influence
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.06 10:38:00 - [199]
 

Since when is a MS not a carrier?

When we asked for something special for MS, you said MS is just a bigger carrier. Now carrier get a 100% ship maintenance boost, and all of sudden a MS is not a carrier anymore.

I demand justice! Very Happy

I almost gave up to expect MS being useful again and i hoped that it will at least be a fancy garage for our ships... and now this disappointment. Crying or Very sad

ZerKar
Caldari
Zen'Tar
Posted - 2007.12.06 10:40:00 - [200]
 

I appriciate that you worked hard and got it out a bit ahead of scheduel and more so that you got it deployed without a serious crash so far.

As for the changes, mostly just little things that are generally useful but nothing that noticable but then you did not promise anything to the contrary. (I cannot use the "shiney new graphics" so I am missing that part)

However, I do think the "abandon" button for drones is a bad idea. It just increases the likelihood of hitting a dumb button with them. I can only imagine 1 case you would WANT to abandon drones and I think it would be rare and just as easily accomplished by warping a little way.

I still cannot wait for the actual game changing stuff like Ambulation and the like.

Genocya Zolan
Cloak and Daggers
Huzzah Federation
Posted - 2007.12.06 10:59:00 - [201]
 

I would like to see the return of transparent pinned windows, or at least the option to have them transparent if so desired.

At the moment if I run my local window for 0.0 down the left hand side and have all the various dark grey/semi transparent windows such as overview, gang & drone open it seems as though you are looking at the ships through a letter box. Fully transparent pinned windows along with regular opaque chat windows give a much larger sense of play area.

Other than that a superb job on Trinity guys.

Genocya

CCP Greyscale

Posted - 2007.12.06 11:03:00 - [202]
 

Originally by: Mitz Pufos
how are we supposed to resize the overview?
each block at a time? that's insane !
we need an option to get the old overview back


Try holding shift while dragging, that should help with the problem Smile

Originally by: Hoshi
Any way to move the "Star Map/System Map/Close" window away from sitting above the Selected items? I want selected items at the top of the screen but it's moved down every time I open map and doesn't move back up when I close it.


It's now a draggable UI element, although there's not much to grab hold of Embarassed If you move your mouse over the edge, there's a point where the box in the centre of the cursor expands, and at that point you can click and drag the entire thing around.

Originally by: J'Mkarr Soban
FOR ALL THOSE WITH SKEWED TARGETING

There is a little circle in the corner of where your targets start from. If the target is in the top-left quarter of the screen, the circle will be at the top left of the target. Bottom-right quarter of the screen, bottom-right of the target. You can drag this around to change the initial location of the targets, which automatically align to whichever quadrant the targets are dragged to (you'll see the position of them change around this circle). Right clicking allows you to lock the position and also change horizontal and vertical alignment.

The circle is quite faded, you might need to turn up the brightness to see it.



Bolded for "this man is correct"

Originally by: Lazarann
What happened to the new drones ("named" drones) we heard about at fanfest?


Nothing "happened" with them - they're out there... somewhere Wink

Originally by: Maglorre
Originally by: Lazarann
ZOMG drones attack a new target together when their last target is destroyedExclamationVery HappyShocked


And not only that, they seemed to (on the test server when I had a play in a mission) go after the smaller ships first. It might just be that the frigates were closer to my ship or closer to the drones when they picked a new target, more testing required. Very Happy


Improved targetting AI means they now try and engage the targets whose signature radius most closely matches the drones' signature resolution. In other words, light drones will generally go after frigates, medium drones will generally go after cruisers and heavy drones will generally go after battleships. Tux thought it sounded like a good idea Smile

Originally by: Bagehi
I am mildly confused. My computer runs the new graphics better than the old ones. I'm getting better fps with the premium graphics post-trinity than I did pre-trinity. Did anyone else experience this?


Curses! I thought we'd disabled the /freeperformanceboost switch!

Seriously though, this is probably due to the graphics load being moved off the CPU and onto the GPU, which (as you'd expect) is generally better at that job

Originally by: Del Narveux
4. What's up with eve voice? I never signed up or anything, but its got all its settings and stuff in my options now. So is it like enabled for everyone now? That might be nice, if everyone has it and its free and blah blah blah.


Yup, EVE Voice is now enabled by default and for free on every account.

Originally by: NightF0x
I'm a bit curious as to why the NPC bounty system was changed to add a 15-20 minute delay in the rewards payout. There are no delays in payments for any other profession in Eve so why ratting?


This is a DB optimisation Smile

Originally by: Vadoc Trax
Edited by: Vadoc Trax on 06/12/2007 06:10:37
Originally by: Triath Lon

I wonder who came up with the bright idea to name a MARAUDER class ship - PALADIN? Shocked Rolling Eyes


It casts Detect Evil.


It also has the nifty ability "Lay On Tachyons"

Bezzell
Posted - 2007.12.06 11:12:00 - [203]
 

Awesome! Pretty smooth transition as well, considering everything implemented. Nice job and thx.

Komachi
Dark Matter Assault Squad
Posted - 2007.12.06 11:28:00 - [204]
 

Edited by: Komachi on 06/12/2007 11:29:48
CCP I want to say THANK YOU for all your hard work with this project. I cant tell you how awesome eve looks and plays.

-the reflective layer is very impressive

-the newer ship designs are sweet (the nighthawk IMO)

To all though that see fit to wine and complain. Rome was not built in a day, week or month but years. This took years and a lot of hard work so remember that.

Jo Nafarxx
Posted - 2007.12.06 11:32:00 - [205]
 

what i have to note so far about patch....i guess eve is a bit cooler looking, seems that my screen is always filled with chat, info, and other windows so i made the effort to have a peek ..wow nice ..ok back to game heheh.. well i thought i would do a bit of ratting.. this turned out to be a total bummer.. most often i would fly from belt to belt and collect some goodies as i go, or now n then find a nice 3 bs spawn and stay put a spell. i see that collecting the loot now is all but impossible.. is this an effort perhaps to force folks to school for and use the new t2 bs's? that is what i am thinking anyhow .. well in a short time i had a jet can worth full of loot. prior to the patch this would have been 8-10km3 at best.. so as i see it the reward for my efforts just got cut by a good third as i was simply not able to keep up with the massive loot any longer and gave up trying and watched a good few hundred million worth of named mods and salvage go pop .. o well.. sooo unless i can find a builder that can fit me some turrets on a nano freighter or something, i need a solution..any ideas out there? i am finding the loot from a decent bs to be roughly 500 to 700m3 now.. be nice to think there is an easy something to do other than taking a huge pay cut or having to put in an additional amount of effort.. o yea i love the new overview . made my day to take apart and minimize that.. now if i could just close alliance and local when i liked, the screen would begin to be manageable ..>=) jo

TRIGGER
MASS
Posted - 2007.12.06 11:32:00 - [206]
 

luvly jubbly and job well done ..... now when do we move onto 48hr between dt's ?ugh

eWrath
Caldari
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2007.12.06 11:40:00 - [207]
 

First of all, let me thank the developers and all who participated bringing this huge performance boost.. I must admit that I'm really amazed how smoothly my client runs now..

And... normally I hate to rant, but..
Either give me back my good old myrmidon, or remove the 5 drones cap..

The drone changes are nice, but not totally fair, I was expecting that with the new drone bandwidth stuff, one would be allowed to launch more than 5 smaller drones, in exchange of limited functionality with the heavy variants; according to the bandwidth limits.. what I see is the total opposite of that..

Instead, I found out that it's being restricted to either 3 heavy drones or 5 medium ones.. I can't see how exactly does the Drone Bandwidth feature benefit anyone flying this ship?

Drones no longer recharge 100% shields when retracted and re-released.. I'm completely fine with this fact (and I personally think that's fair), but with the restriction introduced above, where are the advantages of using a drone ship (especially this one)?

Myrmidons don't get bonuses to turrets, that can be understood, but medium drones are fragile. they could carry more drones now.. but what's the point if I'll keep on losing them?

The way I see it, 25 cubic meters of extra drone bay capacity aren't worth the fuss, the only outcome I see is rendering the ship as a completely crippled piece of junk, I'd prefer being able to launch 5 heavy/sentry drones at the same time to the extra (mostly dead weight) space; take the 25 m3 back, and give me my old ship back any time..

or just remove the 5 drones restriction and allow pilots to control whatever drones they can fit into their bandwidth limits.. Wink

Felysta Sandorn
Celestial Apocalypse
Posted - 2007.12.06 11:41:00 - [208]
 

Best patch ever, CCP... Thanks for this!

And I can't even see the new graphics yet!

In honour of your hard work, as soon as I get a job, I'll buy another few accounts... Even if I don't play them! Laughing

Much love! Very Happy

Mullethead
Mercurialis Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.06 11:56:00 - [209]
 

Originally by: J'Mkarr Soban
FOR ALL THOSE WITH SKEWED TARGETING

There is a little circle in the corner of where your targets start from. If the target is in the top-left quarter of the screen, the circle will be at the top left of the target. Bottom-right quarter of the screen, bottom-right of the target. You can drag this around to change the initial location of the targets, which automatically align to whichever quadrant the targets are dragged to (you'll see the position of them change around this circle). Right clicking allows you to lock the position and also change horizontal and vertical alignment.

The circle is quite faded, you might need to turn up the brightness to see it.



Bolded for "this man is correct"


Yes he is correct and it is very faint, however, it seems many of us, including all my accounts and toons have the little crosshair icon you refer to off screen and therefore it is unable to even be seen. I tried changing screen res and making it full screen etc.

Can one of you nice CCP lads move em all down a bit please :)

Pitt Bull
Caldari Naval Reserve
Posted - 2007.12.06 12:03:00 - [210]
 

Originally by: Mitz Pufos
Originally by: Lazarann
There's so much awesome I don't know what to do with it all.
Thanks CCP Very Happy


give me some, I have none


No kidding, did I miss something here?

Have you looked past the trailer yet? ugh


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