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Stitcher
Caldari
Posted - 2007.12.06 03:02:00 - [121]
 

Good God, it's a thankless job being an EVE dev...

1: New Gallente ship designs look great. I prefer them this way.
2: It's called a "normal map" people. Look it up on Wikipedia.
3: This new graphics engines is an absolute dream to run. Even on higher graphics settings with more detailed models and extra shiny stuff going on, my machine's reporting a framerate that's 25FPS better than before.
4: If you need convincing that this engine is better, play with it for a week then "roll back" to Classic. You'll immediately cry "Dear sacred feth that's ugly!" and return to Premium.

Kieron - if I could afford it, I'd be sending enough beer to CCP HQ for everyone to have one. I can't afford it, however, so please pass along some virtual Zen Beer from me instead. Everyone who worked on Trinity has done an incredible job and should go home feeling extremely proud of themselves after today. I think they've earned far more recognition and congratulations than the ingrates on this forum will ever be prepared to display.

Tsuruhasi Fune
Posted - 2007.12.06 03:06:00 - [122]
 

Edited by: Tsuruhasi Fune on 06/12/2007 03:07:28
Been playing Eve for a little bit now. Really was looking forward to the trinity expansion... and then after I download it. I than findout that my system is incompatible. The patch that I downloaded, really didn't do anything noticeably different. The overview is about the only change its smaller and harder to read now...

Not impressed, I got completely cut off from seeing the new graphics, and the patch for those players who don't have super end graphics cards sucks. Dunno how much I will keep playing.

Feel kind of left behind, for the sake of better graphics.

Cyberstrike2027
Gallente
Focused Annihilation
Detrimental Imperative
Posted - 2007.12.06 03:08:00 - [123]
 

Edited by: Cyberstrike2027 on 06/12/2007 03:12:51
Originally by: Tsuruhasi Fune
Edited by: Tsuruhasi Fune on 06/12/2007 03:07:28
Been playing Eve for a little bit now. Really was looking forward to the trinity expansion... and then after I download it. I than findout that my system is incompatible. The patch that I downloaded, really didn't do anything noticeably different. The overview is about the only change its smaller and harder to read now...

Not impressed, I got completely cut off from seeing the new graphics, and the patch for those players who don't have super end graphics cards sucks. Dunno how much I will keep playing.

Feel kind of left behind, for the sake of better graphics.


Can I have your stuff?


Seriously tho, if you're gallente, you're not missing much. I'll have to have an eve-classic folder now, just for when I use gallente ships. The models are splendid, as with everything else new in the graphics update, they just need to have the old skins put back on, but sharper textures, just black and green. none of this palegreen/ivory rubbish!

Lucas Avignon
Avignon Associates Inc.
Posted - 2007.12.06 03:10:00 - [124]
 

Originally by: Tsuruhasi Fune
Edited by: Tsuruhasi Fune on 06/12/2007 03:07:28
Been playing Eve for a little bit now. Really was looking forward to the trinity expansion... and then after I download it. I than findout that my system is incompatible. The patch that I downloaded, really didn't do anything noticeably different. The overview is about the only change its smaller and harder to read now...

Not impressed, I got completely cut off from seeing the new graphics, and the patch for those players who don't have super end graphics cards sucks. Dunno how much I will keep playing.

Feel kind of left behind, for the sake of better graphics.


lol it's far from super high end when any graphic card from the last 4 years will run it Laughing

Imhothar Xarodit
Minmatar
Wolverine Solutions
Posted - 2007.12.06 03:12:00 - [125]
 

Why is there no modulated ORE miner? this is really sad...


And is there a way to change the drone settings (focus/aggressive/passive etc) wihout the use of shortcuts?

Lazarann
Ideal Machine
Posted - 2007.12.06 03:14:00 - [126]
 

What happened to the new drones ("named" drones) we heard about at fanfest?

Mallikan
Gallente
Mercury Syndicate
Twilight Federation
Posted - 2007.12.06 03:14:00 - [127]
 

I am a Gallente pilot, meaning I fly the Gallente ships primarily. I use drones a LOT. So why am I telling you this?

Because Trinity is GREAT! The color schemes of my ships look great (regardless of some of the phobic comments out there) and the drone balancing is ok with me. Great job devs, I'd buy you a beer but I hear they're expensive over there in that icy fantasy land you live in.Very Happy

Cyxopyc
Navy of Xoc
The Remnant Legion
Posted - 2007.12.06 03:15:00 - [128]
 

I'm happy with the changes from the 24mb download. I may never even do the big one. If I can get 1 extra fps by not using the newer graphics I'll do it. My system isn't really bogged down by the EVE client either I just hate video lag... hate. I have never thought of EVE as a good game because of its graphics, it's everything else that makes it good.

Keep making the UI better please.

Erdisk
Gallente
RDIS industries
Posted - 2007.12.06 03:17:00 - [129]
 

Beware of new enemy - graphics. I was looking at my astarte so long, that some very weak NPCs killed me. I just could not take my eyes from the ship to armor status.
Anyway, great work CCP!

Lazarann
Ideal Machine
Posted - 2007.12.06 03:22:00 - [130]
 

ZOMG drones attack a new target together when their last target is destroyedExclamationVery HappyShocked

Jacob Mei
Gallente
Posted - 2007.12.06 03:23:00 - [131]
 

I love almost everything so far save:

The multi client issue. It seems that alot of people simply cant play multi account on the prem settings. Not exactly an issue for me at the moment but when I upgrade I really want to enjoy high res on both screens.

Login screen takes over monitor. I use multiple accounts, a common occurance, and it is kinda annoying that my screen is instantly taken over by the client before I can launch my second client.

Other then that everything seems to work great.

Mataquia
Posted - 2007.12.06 03:27:00 - [132]
 

The "only" thing I am unhappy with are my Amarr ships are now "BOUNCY"!!!!

They went from stable to wobbly....<cries> But I love everything else, so I'll deal with that because I love you!!

Mataquia.


Bo Bojangles
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2007.12.06 03:30:00 - [133]
 

Edited by: Bo Bojangles on 06/12/2007 14:46:00
The client performs as well as can be expected. I'd hoped for a little better performance from my 7800GT SLI setup but I know that I can only hope for so much. At 1600x1200 with maximum cache I can run Shadow Quality on High, HDR enabled and Bloom set to Low comfortably just flying around. We'll just have to see how it plays in fleet ops and such.

You can't make everyone happy, and now I'm seeing why we've only had a close look at the Bellicose hull time and time again in the previews instead of some of the other hulls from the Minmatar. While the texture on the Cyclone looks better, the model is not (bug: when guns lose target - they just point out instead of the usual 'parked' position). The Stiletto has lost it's shine, and truly looked better before. The Wolf addl. detail is much appreciated, but the color is dull and simply destroys it. The Stabber has grown some addl. modules here and there and along with so much more detail that's been given the model, makes it look rather clunky, and I was shocked to see that my Fleet Issue Stabber was identical to it with only a slight variation in the color. I've not seen the Vaga yet. The Rupture hull is ok, it looks better with the additional detail, and the Hoarder looks better. The Mammoth also benefits from the addl. detail, it's just that horrid matted rust i suppose that makes it seem that someone went out of their way to keep the Minmatar looking like crap. Typhoon and Tempest look good,.. haven't seen a Maelstrom yet, but I fear you destroyed it like you did the Stiletto with that horrid rusted look as well.

Edit: I may have yelled prematurely on the color of some of these hulls as I was viewing them from within a station, and the texture was reflecting the color of it. The Wolf doesn't look to bad. The Stiletto as well though I don't care for the model. I'm still woefully disappointed in the Stabber and Cyclone hulls, but especially the Stabber. Please at least bring back the military-style beacon lights on the Fleet Issue Stabber!!!

Stitcher
Caldari
Posted - 2007.12.06 03:32:00 - [134]
 

Originally by: Tsuruhasi Fune
Edited by: Tsuruhasi Fune on 06/12/2007 03:07:28
Been playing Eve for a little bit now. Really was looking forward to the trinity expansion... and then after I download it. I than findout that my system is incompatible. The patch that I downloaded, really didn't do anything noticeably different. The overview is about the only change its smaller and harder to read now...

Not impressed, I got completely cut off from seeing the new graphics, and the patch for those players who don't have super end graphics cards sucks. Dunno how much I will keep playing.

Feel kind of left behind, for the sake of better graphics.


Okay, I usually try to avoid being nasty to people on these boards -

And this is no exception (nice surprise, huh? :D)

Nevertheless, I would like to say that if you've been "left behind" by the new graphics, you really can't reasonably blame CCP for that. DirectX 9.0c has been out for a long while now, and shader model 3 is hardly cutting-edge technology either. So anything that's not within about a $60-or-so upgrade of being Premium-worthy is basically a paperweight anyway.

CCP have taken the sensible route by leaving the old graphics technology in place for users on older systems - which is really all that they needed to do.

While I'm sorry that you don't have access to the shiny stuff, at the end of the day it is not CCP's fault, and you shouldn't be complaining at them. The option is always available to you to go upgrade your machine, after all.

I see no reason why the rest of EVE should be deprived of the pretty new technology, just because you've been dragging your heels.

Ga'len
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2007.12.06 03:34:00 - [135]
 

Great patch CCP, keep up the awesome work!!!

Maglorre
Posted - 2007.12.06 03:52:00 - [136]
 

Originally by: Lazarann
ZOMG drones attack a new target together when their last target is destroyedExclamationVery HappyShocked


And not only that, they seemed to (on the test server when I had a play in a mission) go after the smaller ships first. It might just be that the frigates were closer to my ship or closer to the drones when they picked a new target, more testing required. Very Happy

Lazarann
Ideal Machine
Posted - 2007.12.06 03:53:00 - [137]
 

Originally by: Maglorre
Originally by: Lazarann
ZOMG drones attack a new target together when their last target is destroyedExclamationVery HappyShocked


And not only that, they seemed to (on the test server when I had a play in a mission) go after the smaller ships first. It might just be that the frigates were closer to my ship or closer to the drones when they picked a new target, more testing required. Very Happy

THAT would be great. I hope it wasn't a coincidence.

Rukkal
Posted - 2007.12.06 04:03:00 - [138]
 

I just installed Premium graphics for Eve and I'm only running a Nvidia 66000 GT. I don't have the fancy bloom effects active but I still love the new skins on our ships, stations, and warp gates.

Let go of your hate! Embrace the new and give CCP some love for all of their effort!

Brother Vaughn
Posted - 2007.12.06 04:05:00 - [139]
 

Superb Update! I am blown out of my socks! This is a dream come true - shadows, reflections, detailed models, the size and scope of objects - simply breathtaking! The races varying art styles are cool and on spot!

One issue though: I cant see my mining laser beam after the first shot anymore. Its like firing invible laser from the second shot on... Thats on gtx 8800, newest driver, Windows XP. Does anybody know a solution or have the same problem?

Anyway, Cheers to CCP and cool dev pics on the wait screen btw :)

Face Changelette
Posted - 2007.12.06 04:06:00 - [140]
 

I'm sticking with Classic.

The gallente colours really disgust me that much.

Lledo Nayrb
Posted - 2007.12.06 04:10:00 - [141]
 

Originally by: Stitcher
Originally by: Tsuruhasi Fune
Edited by: Tsuruhasi Fune on 06/12/2007 03:07:28
Been playing Eve for a little bit now. Really was looking forward to the trinity expansion... and then after I download it. I than findout that my system is incompatible. The patch that I downloaded, really didn't do anything noticeably different. The overview is about the only change its smaller and harder to read now...

Not impressed, I got completely cut off from seeing the new graphics, and the patch for those players who don't have super end graphics cards sucks. Dunno how much I will keep playing.

Feel kind of left behind, for the sake of better graphics.


Okay, I usually try to avoid being nasty to people on these boards -

And this is no exception (nice surprise, huh? :D)

Nevertheless, I would like to say that if you've been "left behind" by the new graphics, you really can't reasonably blame CCP for that. DirectX 9.0c has been out for a long while now, and shader model 3 is hardly cutting-edge technology either. So anything that's not within about a $60-or-so upgrade of being Premium-worthy is basically a paperweight anyway.

CCP have taken the sensible route by leaving the old graphics technology in place for users on older systems - which is really all that they needed to do.

While I'm sorry that you don't have access to the shiny stuff, at the end of the day it is not CCP's fault, and you shouldn't be complaining at them. The option is always available to you to go upgrade your machine, after all.

I see no reason why the rest of EVE should be deprived of the pretty new technology, just because you've been dragging your heels.


Dragging heels, no its called having responsibilities and a life.

And yes left behind is an applicable thing to say. In the fact that the patch for the "classic" version didn't do anything graphically. After they bragged so much about all their time and effort into the graphics for the expansion. They didn't do anything for those who wouldn't be able to "upgrade".

THAT is what left behind meant, had the comment actually been read with eyeballs. Than there would be a better understanding of the english used therein. Anyways, its just disappointing that they hyped up their expansion. And didn't make it accesible to all their users.

IN the MMO universe, you don't leave paying customers behind. Or you LOSE said customers. Eve doesn't have all that many in the first place. It was a poor decision, to do nothing to the classic version.

Done with this topic. Anyone who wants to speak back against me, i'm glad you were able to see the shiny new graphics, and have enough money to support that. Goodjob, i'll go join the rest of the world, who can't always update, but still can pay to play.

Ephemeral Waves
Silver Snake Enterprise
Posted - 2007.12.06 04:17:00 - [142]
 

Originally by: Aprudena Gist
screw you guys to hell for not giving us one of each script for all our modules that use them now we are sitting on ****ing useless ships.


As much I hate agreeing with a goon ... he's right. If you're going to screw with the mods, you've got to grant access to the bloody scripts right away. If I had been deep in 0.0 on patch day I'd have been screwed.


Melwitax
Posted - 2007.12.06 04:20:00 - [143]
 

The good: I love the graphics. I use Caldari and Gallente ships and while I like the look of some ships better then others, there's no question that CCP has topped itself.

The bad: Torpedoes! Trading around 80% of range for greater dps is insane. What good is having the firepower of the Death Star if you can't hit anything that's further from your face then your nose? There are plenty of missions in which the rats hang out at around 40 - 50 km without adding afterburners (can't have MWDs in missions) they're unhittable with torps. In PvP, any player with any common sense will stay 31km away from ravens, something easy to do since Caldari ships are the slowest of all the races. All this "fix" has accomplished is guaranteed that more pilots will be using cruise missiles (which have lower dps then torps originally did).

The fix: Why nerf when you can add? Put torps back the way they were and add a new class of missile that has the specs that torps currently have. It's a have your cake and eat it solution. PvE players get their range, PvP players get their dps and CCP gets more money while both sets of players spend a month or so training the new skills. :)

I don't know if that was completely on topic, but I hope it was constructive.

- Mel

OldWolfe
The Scope
Posted - 2007.12.06 04:20:00 - [144]
 

The graphic re-design is all awesomely done and well made. I'm impressed.

But the Gallente baby blue colors for T1 ships overall really has taken the individuality out of the Gallente that the Gallente has always have had for many years.

And the voices of so many people that wants Gallente to have better colors can be found in these threads:

http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=645619

http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=645378

Please seriously think about changing the Gallente colors back to what it really means to be Gallente. The baby blue really takes the Gallente out of all the Gallente ships...

drsam
Lords and Peasants
Posted - 2007.12.06 04:24:00 - [145]
 

well .. it's nice that ccp has that new expansion up and running ... but
i fail too see the omg factor in new graphics, it's like someone slapped a new logo on his car and jumps around screaming "i've got cool tuning now".

and this minmatar theme .. rust and poo are kind of two different things, still somehow those ships i've seen look like poo at with some lighting/angles

so .. on technical side, "premium" is slower, alot .. and what's up with that "you've moved your mouse, let's restart your client" thingy ?
and also, can you please make graphics settings stick with an account ? it's not that cool to change res every time you login with different account .. from 1920x1200 to 1280x1024 or vice versa

so, all that whine aside, no crashes, no errors, no blue screen on deaths .. good job ccp! :)

Tractormech
Caldari
Stones Inc.
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2007.12.06 04:28:00 - [146]
 

Edited by: Tractormech on 06/12/2007 04:29:39
Some points:

PROS
-HUGE fps increase on classic client
-Drones now work
-UI is somewhat manageable
-Graphics are here. OK. CCP overhyped on what they could deliver though.
-New torp changes make me frisky
-electronic attack ships good. assualt frigates really need some love though.

CONS
-Scripts as charges are one of the most poorly thought out ideas from CCP so far. The use of scripts should be built into each module, simply right click to change its function. More crap to haul about.
-POSs without shields now all over space. CCP did not properly warn people that they were making some changes to the way passowrds work. Something as changed and now there are many many control towers online without shields
-Chat boxes now have issues with overlapping text
-ONLY ONE ITEM INFO WINDOW CAN NOW BE OPEN. EXTREMELY ANNOYING.

I dont know, nothing really excited me this expansion. Its all meh. Changes that should have been ages ago but took until now to do. However, still good work all around. CCP has definately got the patching process down.

Lazarann
Ideal Machine
Posted - 2007.12.06 04:43:00 - [147]
 

Originally by: Tractormech


-ONLY ONE ITEM INFO WINDOW CAN NOW BE OPEN. EXTREMELY ANNOYING.


Hit escape, general options, 3rd from the bottom on the left, uncheck the box.

Slapdash
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.06 04:50:00 - [148]
 

In the future please do not have your patch delete critical system files.

Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
Posted - 2007.12.06 04:51:00 - [149]
 

I am mildly confused. My computer runs the new graphics better than the old ones. I'm getting better fps with the premium graphics post-trinity than I did pre-trinity. Did anyone else experience this?

Del Narveux
Dukes of Hazard
Posted - 2007.12.06 04:51:00 - [150]
 

Edited by: Del Narveux on 06/12/2007 04:52:02
My condensed comments from a thread that was apparently too awesome for GD. Twisted Evil

1. WTF were you thinking when you 'balanced' heavy dictors? Unless Im missing something, they have hac stats plus an extra midslot and uberscramble ability. Perhaps removing some of the weapon/missile hardpoints is in order, so they dont become winmobiles.

2. The fullscreen launcher makes me sad, so does all the rearranging buttons and random UI changes that doesnt affect performance etc.

3. Massive EW nerf + drone bandwidth = proof CCP hates amarr. Crying or Very sad

4. What's up with eve voice? I never signed up or anything, but its got all its settings and stuff in my options now. So is it like enabled for everyone now? That might be nice, if everyone has it and its free and blah blah blah.

And GJ on getting it up on time and relatively error free. Cant comment on premium content as Ima wait a while before I bother with that.


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