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SpawnSupreme
Posted - 2007.12.07 11:49:00 - [301]
 

come on art team you are really good at making a turd look like a shiny turd... what i mean is minmitar and caldari have some of the ugliest ships and not feasable to fly.
like the black hawk, it has a frame that would not stand much damage in the middle were it could break clean in half and is the ship flying bacward.
how about the cyclone, still looks like a puffer fish.
i been playing 2 years and grown to ignore how ugly some ships are untill i look at my hurricain. if you cant perdy up the darn ship how about you make the hurricain a bit uglier so it fits.

SpawnSupreme
Posted - 2007.12.07 11:54:00 - [302]
 

the new missions treat you like a newb with all the how to instructions... how about you remove that mess and place more pertanet info like class of ship limitations or indicate some more info other than newb stuff thats what tutorial missions are for

SpawnSupreme
Posted - 2007.12.07 12:02:00 - [303]
 

the whole fleet/gang thing has gotten confusing lately why can you begin by making a gang like we used to then create a fleet... now that we creat fleet first and then you go to warp your party and it say to warp gang and im like...... not happy with it the old way rocked.

i like how you can remove gange or drone but you should be able to lock them if you like so if i enlarge or shrink overview anything attached should as well i kinda miss the larger buttons above overview now they so small you have to focus on the buttons but yet you make the overview wider... i like a thin overview

Snowcrash Winterheart2
Gallente
Concordia Discors
Posted - 2007.12.07 12:04:00 - [304]
 

Well, I can only comment on the cegeda client... so expect lyrical waxing about the new textures/models in Q1 2008 (or whenever Wine fixes the bug).

Like the black theme and transparencies, until their is lots of action on screen the thing seems to keep up nicely. Missle spam swarms really cause lag. Although heavy lag could be due to number of people going "shiny".

Don't like the batch updating of the wallet with rat bounties.
The 2s ROF on drones is kinda funny to watch, rat wanders.... wanders more... pop. I'm sure it'll loose the giggle generating factor but at the mo' I like it :)

I'm also liking the overhaul to the lighting system, perhaps not as WOW as Premium but still very good.

manasi
Caldari
Ceptacemia
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2007.12.07 12:07:00 - [305]
 

Originally by: VheroKai
Damn that worst thing seen to date.

Without 3D engine FPS is over 20, with 3D engine it is about 2.9 FPS.

CCP, what happened? Where is that "new fast 3D engine utilizing Your Videocard and freeing Your CPU"?

It plainly looks like new content created to be sure we'll go to market and buy new PC's, but it is false idea.

I'd better trow away EVE and return to Lineage2. It have 3D engine with better FPS, than EVE, on wide variety of systems. From bottom to top of all ranks.


Not sure what happened to you but my FPS doubled. Using a 7600 GT I was getting about 30-32 FPS BEFORE the GFX upgrade...Now I get about 60-65 FPS. YMMV

Try a new driver maybe it will improve.

GL

Snowcrash Winterheart2
Gallente
Concordia Discors
Posted - 2007.12.07 12:12:00 - [306]
 

Originally by: Xaen
Originally by: Bellasarius Baxter
2) In the new drone window, the shield/armor/hull display is right-to left, not left-to-right, as before. Needs some getting used to.
Agreed, this is, to use proper HCI terminology, "bassackwards".

It doesn't need getting used to, it needs changed.


Indeed, when I was doing stuff it was "WTF?? Hullshot???" until I figured out they'd got them assbackwards.

Xerxes Ceasar
Lone Gunmen
Posted - 2007.12.07 12:17:00 - [307]
 

Edited by: Xerxes Ceasar on 07/12/2007 12:52:25
I dont know if anyone mentioned it yet but why has the Nightmare been nerfed?
Now it only got 6 highslots with 4 gun hardpoints, before it could fit 4 guns and 4 launchers.
Now it got 7 mid- and 5 low- slots instead of 4 and 8.
What is the reason behind this and why isnt it mentioned in the patch notes(as far as i see)?Confused

edit:

I found it in the patch notes now:
Quote:
As part of Sansha Mk II, the Nightmare has exchanged the following: 2 high slots, 3 low slots and 4 launcher hard points in exchange for a fixed 100% damage bonus, as well as 7.5% tracking and 5% damage bonuses per level.


It wasnt as bad as I thought but they still need to change the description, it doesnt mention any 100% damage bonus.

Matthew
Caldari
BloodStar Technologies
Posted - 2007.12.07 12:53:00 - [308]
 

Originally by: Xerxes Ceasar
I dont know if anyone mentioned it yet but why has the Nightmare been nerfed?
Now it only got 6 highslots with 4 gun hardpoints, before it could fit 4 guns and 4 launchers.
Now it got 7 mid- and 5 low- slots instead of 4 and 8.
What is the reason behind this and why isnt it mentioned in the patch notes(as far as i see)?Confused


How about:

Originally by: patch nodes
As part of Sansha Mk II, the Nightmare has exchanged the following: 2 high slots, 3 low slots and 4 launcher hard points in exchange for a fixed 100% damage bonus, as well as 7.5% tracking and 5% damage bonuses per level"


So it is mentioned, and it's part of a shift of all the Sansha ships towards being pure laser boats. Your 4 guns with 100% damage bonus are equivalent to having 8 guns, and you get 2 spare high slots for something else on top.

Alexah
Posted - 2007.12.07 13:14:00 - [309]
 

New strip miner effects look awful. They look broken and are far inferior to the old ones. The blue colour could look nice but as they stand now i cant tell if they're just broken or have been "improved" for the worse.

The sound they make also sounds glitchy and broken.

Darth StickyFingers
Hot Dogs Have No Hair
Posted - 2007.12.07 13:18:00 - [310]
 

I do not understand the need for the torpedo changes. I don't remember seeing anybody complain about them being too powerfull or anything like that. I know it will make mission running more difficult due to some rats running from you and staying 40-50 km from you. This will cause looting/salvaging to take more time because of having to chase the rats down, spreading out the wrecks. Same with ratting. Also, the fact that even though ships are out of torp range, there are still explosions visable, that makes me think they are hitting my targets, but not dealing any damage. This caused me to submit a bug report that I was not caausing any damage with torps. I'm hoping the Devs will read this and give me some idea as to the reasons for the reduction in flight time on these.

Kurita SilverDragon
Posted - 2007.12.07 13:42:00 - [311]
 

Trinity requires me to purchase an expensivevideo card

My old (4 years old) Dell laptop uses an 128 mb ATI card. It has worked well for me with various online games such as WOW, EQ2, BF 2, BF 2142, etc. I know I always had to tweak the settings to min, but I accepted that. Anyway my question/problem is that after the upgrade I get the message that the ‘premium package will not work with my computer’. Anyway I can get around this?

I am saving up for a desktop PC, but for now I just have the laptop. If there is a way to get trinity working fine, if not then thank you anyway. I will deal with the classic version until I can afford another pc. Note: The classic version with the updated patch still works.

Thank you.

Xaen
Caldari
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2007.12.07 14:12:00 - [312]
 

Originally by: VheroKai
Damn that worst thing seen to date.

Without 3D engine FPS is over 20, with 3D engine it is about 2.9 FPS.

CCP, what happened? Where is that "new fast 3D engine utilizing Your Videocard and freeing Your CPU"?

It plainly looks like new content created to be sure we'll go to market and buy new PC's, but it is false idea.

I'd better trow away EVE and return to Lineage2. It have 3D engine with better FPS, than EVE, on wide variety of systems. From bottom to top of all ranks.
Try disabling Extreme shadows or HDR.

With either on I get 20FPS. With both off I get a stable 60FPS (capped via v-sync).

Dravius Luxor
Minmatar
Independent Galactic Network
Posted - 2007.12.07 14:13:00 - [313]
 

Happy days.

Happy happy days!

Thank you - thank you very much Very Happy

I could go on... but I'll just tell you why i'm so pleased, since you created a thread for it:

First of all - my Hurricane looks awesome. It used to be a shovel, now it is a glistening knife of death.

I can now look at my Typhoon without being sick. In fact it's lovely!

But most important of all - Gallente ships! I'm tempted to train for them now, and am baffled by all the derision they're getting. They are tough-looking, graceful boats (yes, despite the colour - I thought the old colour scheme was ugly), and now they no longer look like cartoon or balloon animals... well done.

I'll probably get flamed for this, and I don't care - because no matter what one says on a public forum it will attract vocal vermin of one kind or another, but I think some people need to read this:

Yesterday I thought CCP had removed bounties, as did many others, because of the new payment scheme. So what did I do?

I trained salvaging, and set up a salvaging ship, and went off salvaging my missions. Then I realised, and parked it back in the hangar.

My point is this: No matter what you do, people will whinge because they feel they have the right to dictate to you, as customers. This is a misguided mindset - all they can do is quit, which doesn't affect you because by failing to succumb you will attract more customers (your game will be better).

When I thought bounties had gone, I thought "B*****ds!". But then went about manipulating circumstance to my benefit, which is what the whole game's about! I wish peole could see that a nerf to you is ALSO a nerf to your enemy. It really sickens me to see all the smack on this forum, because it doesn't represent what has been achieved.

All it represents is the stubbornness and lack of wit of the players who now have to make minor alterations to their strategies, when what has been achieved is remarkable.

Even on the lowest settings (computer a little out of date) it looks stunning. The whole galaxy is much more compelling, rich, and intriguing. I can't quite explain it - Eve is just nicer to look at, and spend time in, than before...

Glad I don't have to salvage, but I'm prepared to do it if I need to. To cut a long story short: Don't like something? Adapt.

Thx for reading.

Aremy Stillaar
Posted - 2007.12.07 14:41:00 - [314]
 

TBH I question the wisdom of nerfing things at all when you could make things better to effect balance instead. . . eg the nerf of torps and drone bandwidth (specifically the Myrmidon, which is now underpowered as a BC) all this means is missions and ratting are more "fiddly" and time consuming for Myrm' and torp users. The Arm scripts are a bad idea for all the reasons already stated, reading the list of Nerfs people have cited in this thread I now view this as a spoilsport patch. . .and if i had my boot.ini file deleted like some have I'd have been WELL ****ed.

Restore torps and give the Myrm back at least one of it's heavy drones. . .it's a DRONE BOAT!! Thats why it has one less highslot. . .and remember games are meant to be FUN stop making them LESS fun. . .give all the whingers BETTER ships and mods don't NERF the good aspects of your creation CCP!!

I'm not one of those who would sacrifice playability for graphics so this patch aint for me, having said that I hope the majority of players enjoy the game as it now is.

P.S I don't need a special command to abandon my drones, I manage to do that often enough :P

Disteeler
Perkone
Posted - 2007.12.07 14:50:00 - [315]
 

Thanks for the expansion. Even I can't get premium grafics, the engine is very fast. Thanks!!!

Drew Falcon
Ominous Corp
Ethereal Dawn
Posted - 2007.12.07 15:49:00 - [316]
 

THANKS! The graphics are great but I have a question, what happened to the variety of station interiors. I am completely missing the environment in gallente stations with all of the activity and the city-like atmosphere. Anyways, small complaint there. I notice so far that the client itself runs a ton smoother, and the graphics effects are running at high FPS with only a BFG GeForce7800GS OC AGP, AWESOME!

Dennmoth Ferdier
Posted - 2007.12.07 16:36:00 - [317]
 

Change the strip miner visuals. Please. I'm begging you. I can't stand it for much longer.

Katarrin
Posted - 2007.12.07 17:21:00 - [318]
 

I must say, you all have outdone yourselves this time. In the past "improvements" the bugs weren't nearly as numerous, though they were there. In this "Upgrade" its easier for me to list the things that DO work properly, but I'll start with the biggest problems first. The eve client doesn't see my keyboard at all, @ the log in page I cant type in my password, but i can copy/paste from windows to get around that problem. In game I cant type in any of the chat windows. None of the keys on my keyboard are seen by the client at all except, and only except for the windows key. Esc doesn't even work so that I might get out of the game, I have to go to the desk top and right click on eve in the bottom bar to exit eve. My question is: Why would you even bother putting out such **** in the first placeMad? Am I the only one having this problem? I know of one other person in our corp having the same problem, so no, I'm not the only one. Second, all the targeted items are now over-lapping part of the cap icon (targets are now near the bottom of the screen instead of on the top). Now that some of the targets are on the bottom of the screen I can't see the range to some of targets anymore.Rolling Eyes I have MANY other problems such as these. I cant use the scroll wheel anymore to zoom out on battles. To exit any of the windows such as the character sheet i have to right click on the task bar and click "exit" or "minimize" to do either, all the icons meant for the upper right corner of the task bar are gone. When I float the cursor over any of the buttons on the left of the screen such as the wallet I get on information there, such as what's in my wallet, what the buttons are for like before and so-forth. The overview overlays the modules so I cant activate those modules.

As for the crud thats happened toward "balancing" Rolling Eyes: My much loved, and skill intensive, drone boats have been severely crippled in that now it takes twice as many EW modules to get a vastly reduced effectiveness AFTER the "Scripts" are applied. What the hell am I supposed to do with all my Mid-slots now? shield crap? hardly. You gave the tech II Caldari Electronincs frigates a 20% bonus to effectiveness and left he rest of the EW frigates with 5%?!?!?? How is this balance?!!?Mad Now due to the severe crippling of the dampeners, I REALLY feel like my Arazu is crap and only good for smuggling crud past gate camps, since the interceptors can do its warp scrambling job cheaper and nearly (at least) as well as the Arazu. I sure am glad I trained all the EW skills needed for a decent drone boat now!Rolling Eyes Waisted time! Mad

I have a ton of other bugs, but i would rather try and play the game than sit here listing them all right now. I shall return MAYBE. Or maybe I'll just sit out the rest of the time I was foolish enough to pay for in advance and end this game for me Smile.

Jorana Rowan
Gallente
Flying Fox Industries
Posted - 2007.12.07 18:42:00 - [319]
 

Originally by: Alexah
New strip miner effects look awful. They look broken and are far inferior to the old ones. The blue colour could look nice but as they stand now i cant tell if they're just broken or have been "improved" for the worse.

The sound they make also sounds glitchy and broken.


I would like to add my vote to this one.

Firstly though, thank you CCP for the free wonderful and visually awesome upgrade.

Getting back to the point. In my opinion the mining lasers were conducive to the long sessions in the asteroid fields you need in order to build.

The music, plus the soporific hum of the miners, made it a pleasant experience. Those lovely long beams of orange were visually pleasant too, and gave you the feeling of achievement.

Now, its like you're 'pecking' at the stroids or using them for target practice rather than mining them.
Also, if I were mining with a friend, I could see if we were going for the same stroid, and switch over.
The noise they make now sounds like combat to me - which I don't mind actually in combat, but would rather have something more soothing during a mine session.

This is my opinion and hopefully constructive only.

Eve is fab, superb, gorgeous and I have never found a better stress reliever.

Chevy Prefect
Posted - 2007.12.07 19:24:00 - [320]
 

When Microsoft launched Vista they eventually had to allow a method for users to go back to XP. Does CCP have a method to allow users to go back to Revelations? Trinity sucks!!!!!!!

Khwalik
Ghetto Kings
Posted - 2007.12.07 19:31:00 - [321]
 

I hate the new overviewEvil or Very Madbeing able to move drone window is nice i admit that as it stays out of my mods at the bottom of the screen. but i liked having target selection at the top not on a seperate tab. Perhaps there is some way to fix it like it used to be but i have yet to find it. New graphic content, nice eyecandy bbut with poor performance issues i swapped back to classic for now.

Bish Ounen
Gallente
Best Path Inc.
Cult of War
Posted - 2007.12.07 19:57:00 - [322]
 

Edited by: Bish Ounen on 07/12/2007 20:20:11
Copied from a Mod-locked thread (was directed to this thread by the mod for this discussion)

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I HATE HATE HATE the stupid baby blue colors. I swear to god, the Art team must have just finished watching "The Patriot" when they were designing the ships and said "Hey, the Gallenete are descended from Frenchman, let's make them all look like the Marquis De Lafayette or Major Jean Villeneuve! Yeah, that'll look so cool!" Evil or Very Mad

Yeah, um.. Bad idea guys. Pretty much NOBODY likes the baby-blue ships. If they were NAVY blue (you know, since it's the Gallente NAVY and all) then i think people would be OK with that. But powder/baby blue? Not so good.

Let's get the art team back in there to re-color those skins Mmmmkay? Thanks.
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Reoohki
Posted - 2007.12.07 20:11:00 - [323]
 

Originally by: Bish Ounen
<i>Copied from a Mod-locked thread (was directed to this thread by the mod for this discussion)</i>

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I HATE HATE HATE the stupid baby blue colors. I swear to god, the Art team must have just finished watching "The Patriot" when they were designing the ships and said "Hey, the Gallenete are descended from Frenchman, let's make them all look like the Marquis De Lafayette or Major Jean Villeneuve! Yeah, that'll look so cool!" Evil or Very Mad

Yeah, um.. Bad idea guys. Pretty much NOBODY likes the baby-blue ships. If they were NAVY blue (you know, since it's the Gallente NAVY and all) then i think people would be OK with that. But powder/baby blue? Not so good.

Let's get the art team back in there to re-color those skins Mmmmkay? Thanks.
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I wholeheartedly agree with you.

Era Leatol
Posted - 2007.12.07 20:50:00 - [324]
 

...and I'll have to second that.

Turix
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2007.12.07 21:09:00 - [325]
 

I can pretty much sum up my opinions of this patch up to;

Fire the QA dept
Fire the guy responsible for ruining gallentte ships

Jory
Posted - 2007.12.07 21:12:00 - [326]
 

HATE the new mining lasers. Hate them; please give us the old ones back. I do not care about the blue color; a lot of people do however. But PLEASE, please for the love of this game because all I do is mine, please give me my strip laser sound and size back, not the CRAP pew pew burst with crappy little blue lights and horrible sound. Please!!!!

Wyliee
Taurus Inc
THE KLINGONS
Posted - 2007.12.07 21:12:00 - [327]
 

why can i no longer scan for cargo containers?

Concorde Rules
Amarr
Posted - 2007.12.07 21:31:00 - [328]
 

Edited by: Concorde Rules on 07/12/2007 21:33:43
Originally by: Kurita SilverDragon
Trinity requires me to purchase an expensivevideo card

My old (4 years old) Dell laptop uses an 128 mb ATI card. It has worked well for me with various online games such as WOW, EQ2, BF 2, BF 2142, etc. I know I always had to tweak the settings to min, but I accepted that. Anyway my question/problem is that after the upgrade I get the message that the ‘premium package will not work with my computer’. Anyway I can get around this?

I am saving up for a desktop PC, but for now I just have the laptop. If there is a way to get trinity working fine, if not then thank you anyway. I will deal with the classic version until I can afford another pc. Note: The classic version with the updated patch still works.

Thank you.



Erm, the premium package is for people with newer PCs.

If you can't run it then thats it. It needs SM3 and even IF there is, performance WILL be terrible.

Sorry guys with old PCs, you'll have to stick with standard! Laughing

As for me, AA or lack of it (even forced at 6xAA) looks terrible. HDR + AA not working, med to extreme shadows does nothing except decrease FPS ugh

Otherwise all good as far as I can see.

Twiagon
Posted - 2007.12.07 22:15:00 - [329]
 

Edited by: Twiagon on 07/12/2007 22:16:08
If this is not in the correct forum, please be a sweet and move it if I haven't posted there already :?

Since Trinity, select item in remote station, create contract, shows only items in station you are currently sat in :?

Has to be a bug? Rolling Eyes

annoing
Amarr
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
Posted - 2007.12.07 22:41:00 - [330]
 

Originally by: CCP kieron

Please keep feedback constructive and on-topic. Negative, spam or other posts will be deleted.


So you dont want the truth then? You want fanbois only? Any negative thoughts about this update will be deleted? Whats the point of asking? Constructive comment only? Here it is.....

Gameplay over gfx please. Making the game look pretty doesnt make up for the facts: Bugs still not fixed. New bugs added. Ships & moddules nerfed, Amarr ignored again. Some faction ships now worthless. Research oppotunities still only available to those in large corps with huge resources, small corps / lone players not wanted in game. System overloads still not fixed, but hey, the ships looks nice and the system backgrounds look pretty too. My overwhelming contstructive comment is this..... GAMEPLAY OVER GFX CONTENT PLEASE.

Oh well, you wouldnt understand constructive so I dont waste my time making those posts. You ignore the truth and blame it as negative. A golden oppotunity wasted.


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