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Skibo
Posted - 2007.12.01 22:00:00 - [1]
 

I'm running a Macbook Pro and it runs Eve very well. However it only runs well for about 5 minutes. Anything after that and my computer starts to run so hot it crashes and smells of a not-so-good-smell of 'burning.' The CPU fans are running at 100% (6000rpm) and yet the temperatures of both cores run well above 170 degrees F. My laptop is sitting on an elevated laptop holder that keeps the underside well ventilated, so it is not an air circulation issue.

If I run 'top' in the cli it shows that the process cider is running at around 100%, which I understand is the emulator type-ish software that allows for ease of portability.

Is anyone else experiencing this problem? Does anyone have any idea as to how to solve this problem?


Thanks

mistromen
Posted - 2007.12.01 22:23:00 - [2]
 

Sounds like your Macbook Pro is faulty. Even prolonged periods of 100% CPU usage shouldn't make it smell of burning. Laptops are designed to be able to cool themselves fine even if running at 100% all day long.

Tyranis Bolke
Kingfisher Industries
Posted - 2007.12.02 12:41:00 - [3]
 

MacBook Pros have massive issues with heat management. When they were released, the first couple of thousand had to be returned to Apple due to various heat related faults.

So, you might want to report this on the Apple support forum or pay a visit to you local Apple store.

Narin Clain
Posted - 2007.12.03 20:14:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Narin Clain on 03/12/2007 20:16:24
Edited by: Narin Clain on 03/12/2007 20:13:50
Well, the smell of burning is never good.

As for your 170F temps (about 75 celcius) that is actually still within operating temps for a macbook pro. It's strange that it is getting that warm with your fans on at 100% though. I run the SMCFancontrol tool and set my idle fan speed to 2500rpm and it keeps my temps in the 160F range.

One thing you might want to try is playing in windowed mode (if you aren't already) by pressing Command+Return. Rumor has it that doing so is a little easier on the MBP.

Also, if not already, prop up the back of your notebook or put it on a stand to get airflow underneath it and check the vents on it to make sure there isn't any packaging plastic covering them up (a number of first gen MBP's had plastic covering the fan exhaust vents causing over heating. Bad apple, bad.)

On a side note, I stopped playing world of warcraft in OS X because within 10 seconds of logging in my temps would reach 90 degrees Celsius (194F) and would crash hard. But with the SMCFancontrol tool, i've been able to get it going again at a stable 65-70 degrees.

-Narin

P.S. Sorry about all the Fahrenheit -> Celsius -> Fahrenheit conversions, I'm just a confusing Canuck.

Aramil Nolen
Posted - 2007.12.04 11:15:00 - [5]
 

I have the same problem, I was able to extend the 5 minute crash time to about 30 - 45 min buy not only propping the macbook pro up but also running a fan, still my computer regularly hits 170, running in a window helps, but does not completely stop this problem

Tanukihat
Posted - 2007.12.04 19:17:00 - [6]
 

I get this too, but not on a MacBook Pro, just a MacBook. The fan runs and runs and runs, and I can feel it getting hot. I don't get crashes, probably because MacBooks don't have the temp problems Pros do, but it can't be good for the system.

Taris Arrathan
Minmatar
S.A.S
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.12.04 19:34:00 - [7]
 

One thing I've noticed is that if you play with an external monitor and have your laptop closed, it gets so warm after a while that the client gets über laggy. So..I always play with the laptop open so it gets cooler on top of CPU.

Kever Shigenaga
The Cool Kids Club
Posted - 2007.12.06 00:38:00 - [8]
 

Yeah, I'm getting this issue as well with the heat. I hope that a nice trip to the Apple store can fix that. Confused

Arkaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2007.12.06 08:05:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Taris Arrathan
One thing I've noticed is that if you play with an external monitor and have your laptop closed, it gets so warm after a while that the client gets über laggy. So..I always play with the laptop open so it gets cooler on top of CPU.


If you love your MBP, you wont run it (especially with something as demanding as eve) with the lid closed. Unlike other laptops the intake and exhaust for cooling does not work properly when it is closed. I'm not a huge fan of the design but it's partially how they get away with the slimness.

Sorenna Suvari
Posted - 2007.12.15 18:53:00 - [10]
 

Glad I'm not the only one this is happening to. I have smcFanControl running and am setting the min to 5000rpms while playing. It says i'm at 149F currently. I have been running the login screen for about 10 minutes. It was 99F before loading up the login screen.

Does anyone know if this occurs if you're running XP on a MBP (2.2 ghz duo 2gb ram... nvidia 8600) ?

Edwin Salvo
Posted - 2007.12.15 21:27:00 - [11]
 

It is my understanding that the Macbook's have issues with heat because they are putting too much thermal paste on the chips. You want a thin layer of this stuff. Too much is not a good thing. I also saw an article that this is still an issue on new Macbooks.

Google search the terms -- Macbook thermal overheat should find several articles.

Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2007.12.17 10:03:00 - [12]
 

If you're running a 3rd party application that controls the fans, try uninstalling it. If you got updated firmware it should keep the CPU's at exactly 80C and throttle the CPU if it can't keep that.

Also, when playing something like EVE for extended periods, make sure you remove the battery else you're likely to end up with the battery expanding after a while.

Beann Loant
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
OWN Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.17 12:24:00 - [13]
 

Regardless of all the heat issues faulty MBPs had or had not, they still have serious heat dissipation problems when under constant load, especially the first edition of the laptops. EVE (both on OS X and Windows) puts a constant, serious load on the CPU, even on the login screen, due to abuse of busy loops throughout the code (basically, instead letting the CPU sleep, EVE runs bogus instructions even when it has nothing to do).

No laptops are designed with constant CPU load in mind, so your fans will max out at some point during play and there's nothing wrong or unexpected with that. If you smell something burning, contact service though.

I find that disabling "Load station environment" helps reduce heat significantly when in stations.

Regardless of what was said here, I'd really like CCP to work on the CPU load of the client — especially when it's minimized.

Alex's Slave
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2007.12.22 21:29:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Taris Arrathan
One thing I've noticed is that if you play with an external monitor and have your laptop closed, it gets so warm after a while that the client gets über laggy. So..I always play with the laptop open so it gets cooler on top of CPU.


Never never NEVER run it with the lid closed. MacBook Pros cool through the keyboard - that's where it sucks the air in from to blow it out the back. I don't know why apple allow lid-closed mode with laptops that cool that way.


 

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