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Viper G
Posted - 2007.11.30 08:44:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Viper G on 30/11/2007 08:44:38
The easiest way to remove macro miners would be to remove asteroids from the overview list. (and any other lists)

Pros:
1) Removes all current mining macros, period.

Cons:
1) Asteroids would have to be "visually" targeted and located (holding down alt for instance). Macro's can't locate items visually on the screen.

2) Eve opens it'self to pixel reading macro programs, as well as reverse engineering hook macro programs.
(Take about 2-3 weeks before these would pop up, however if EVER released mainstream/publicly, then eve can detect it and hence wage war against hackers like blizzard does)

The question is, would mining visually instead of off the overview list be worth it to make macro mining die off instantly?
personally I would think it's more fun, if not slightly harder, but not really. I mean its mining, it would give you more interaction to the game...

If you say no to this, asteroids must stay on the overview list, then macro miners stay, end of story.

Please discuss.

Other Ideas:
Using alt (holding alt key down), have asteroids highlight in a different color (green) from other objects, to locate them easier, or color code each asteroid type a different color. Problem with this is that using extreme colors not found randomly else where within the game massivly helps screen pixel readers locate the asteroids, however ccp could fight against these programs like blizzard does with wow.

Correct method of detecting running macro's and cheat programs is to simply log them, not block then, they do massive account deactivations at a later date. Not allowing eve to run while the cheat programs are active or being used allows the hacker to find the detection and bypass it or remove it. If you mess with the hacker he always wins, so don't. Just "log" what you can, as the hacker won't even notice logging, especially when sneak updates appear and add in different logging methods. As long as his cheat is still working, he has no reason to disassemble eve's exe if he believes everything is running fine.

But just imagine if asteroids were removed for a few days from the overview list in a new patch. Macro mining would be stopped cold. Just think, a 72 hours of no macro miners...? It's hard to believe, but it could happen.

Question is, do you want it to happen, and will ccp do it?
(ps. sorry if this is old news, my search didn't find any old threads about this)






Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr
House of El
Posted - 2007.11.30 08:50:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Jaketh Ivanes on 30/11/2007 08:50:37
If they fitted a roid scanner to their ship, placed the scan result at a certain place on the UI, you would be back to "roids on overview". They might not be able to target the rich roids, but they will still be able to target roids.

Idea is ok though, but you need to kill the roid scanner also Smile

Viper G
Posted - 2007.11.30 08:52:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Viper G on 30/11/2007 08:52:02
Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes
Edited by: Jaketh Ivanes on 30/11/2007 08:50:37
If they fitted a roid scanner to their ship, placed the scan result at a certain place on the UI, you would be back to "roids on overview". They might not be able to target the rich roids, but they will still be able to target roids.

Idea is ok though, but you need to kill the roid scanner also Smile


please read my first sentence :P

Ophenbach
Gallente
Posted - 2007.11.30 08:52:00 - [4]
 

2-3 weeks?

Those programs already exist, a little searching and you too can find them.


Viper G
Posted - 2007.11.30 08:53:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Viper G on 30/11/2007 08:56:33
Originally by: Ophenbach
2-3 weeks?

Those programs already exist, a little searching and you too can find them.




unfortunately i don't believe you as there is no reason to make a program like this when simple macro programs are 100% effective.
But I will search for them.

But if I can find them so can ccp, hence you can detect them.

Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr
House of El
Posted - 2007.11.30 08:56:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Viper G
Edited by: Viper G on 30/11/2007 08:52:02
Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes
Edited by: Jaketh Ivanes on 30/11/2007 08:50:37
If they fitted a roid scanner to their ship, placed the scan result at a certain place on the UI, you would be back to "roids on overview". They might not be able to target the rich roids, but they will still be able to target roids.

Idea is ok though, but you need to kill the roid scanner also Smile


please read my first sentence :P


Ah, yes. My bad Embarassed

Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
Posted - 2007.11.30 09:00:00 - [7]
 

Alternate suggestion: CCP, which already shells out amazing amounts of cash for personnel (staff economist, anyone?) pays for Backdoor Bandit to go to the homes of the offenders with a 3-foot summer sausage and show them the error of their ways.

Viper G
Posted - 2007.11.30 09:04:00 - [8]
 

ok they do have ocr macro's, but I'm betting you 100% they are reading off the list still. If you remove that, they would have to resort to using alt and zoomout methods + spin methods to detect the asteroids.

That is, if it is only using ocr techniques to find the asteroids.
(easiest way to code this would be to read the overview list, secondly read incoming packets, and last, do a full 360 sweep and target the asteroids)


Ophenbach
Gallente
Posted - 2007.11.30 09:06:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Ophenbach on 30/11/2007 09:09:10
Originally by: Viper G
Edited by: Viper G on 30/11/2007 08:56:33
Originally by: Ophenbach
2-3 weeks?

Those programs already exist, a little searching and you too can find them.




unfortunately i don't believe you as there is no reason to make a program like this when simple macro programs are 100% effective.
But I will search for them.

But if I can find them so can ccp, hence you can detect them.


Doubt all you like, I know of at least one solution that is actually a combination of a base (more generalized) application and the Eve specific front-end. I found it while looking for a way to have drone hot keys (i.e. 1 button for 'drones, engage target', 'drones, return to bay', etc.) IIRC the base program was $25 and the Eve specific front-end (written by another) was $5/month, far more than I am willing to pay for hot keys, which SHOULD be (are being added) in the game.

I will not give you, or others leads/links to the programs for obvious reasons.

Edit: this particular solution reads memory and hooks functions, with script ability to make use of things read from memory, giving the ability to make autonomous bots, rather than just 'dumb' macros.

Radix Salvilines
legion industries ltd
AAA Citizens
Posted - 2007.11.30 11:36:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Radix Salvilines on 30/11/2007 11:39:31
the remedy is like kiss:

give those that report macroers (i mean advertising in mails and chat channels) a small reward: 500k or 1mil and progressing higher as a player has more skulls on his account.

To prevent abuses of this system there can be made an interval for corp reports: 1 day or 1 week per single player (so not everyone will start making 100 trial alts and advertise to themselves to get the isks). + another anti-abuse system - the report is valid only if the ad mail has been sent to some others unrelated peoples (but that is the tool for advertisers to avoid bans).

Really the only remedy for me is to make fighting with macroers attractive. Most peoples dont realise or dont care too much that macroers are destroying minerals market and also are destabilizing game balance a bit. They think that does not influence them... so foolish but true.

macroers on belts? u can play with them nicely Twisted Evil get a gang with some ceptors for bumping and itll get lockdup


 

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