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SamtheDog
Singularity.
Talon Alliance
Posted - 2007.11.29 01:57:00 - [1]
 

I'm currently on an

Intel Duo Core 2 E6850
4GB RAM
XFX 8800GTX
30" screen @ 2560x1600 resolution

I was getting nearly 150-190 fps in space on the regular graphics. I installed the new grahpics & exited station. I was met with 8-15 fps in space outside station. In warp nearly 50fps & at a belt around 40 fps.

My hardware is very high end, yet the fps is increadibly sluggish (for me). Am I missing something here or are most players with lower end cards going to be screwed? I can't imagine alot of players with lower end cards being able to do play with a smooth framerate if the higher end cards can barely squeak out a decent frame rate.

Did I miss something in the settings? I can't seem to figure it out.

Sam

Nito Musashi
Posted - 2007.11.29 02:10:00 - [2]
 

lowest i saw mine dip on the bit i was on sing was 20, 110 in station 40 to 60 in space, 90 in warp this with a 8800gts 320mb, c2d [email protected], 2 gig of ram.

but the frames so sharp in eve 20s get "choppy" even.

the real "safe" test will be a trip to jita with all the new eye candy when patch goes to tranq.

UMEE
Perkone
Posted - 2007.11.29 02:15:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: SamtheDog
I'm currently on an

Intel Duo Core 2 E6850
4GB RAM
XFX 8800GTX
30" screen @ 2560x1600 resolution

I was getting nearly 150-190 fps in space on the regular graphics. I installed the new grahpics & exited station. I was met with 8-15 fps in space outside station. In warp nearly 50fps & at a belt around 40 fps.

My hardware is very high end, yet the fps is increadibly sluggish (for me). Am I missing something here or are most players with lower end cards going to be screwed? I can't imagine alot of players with lower end cards being able to do play with a smooth framerate if the higher end cards can barely squeak out a decent frame rate.

Did I miss something in the settings? I can't seem to figure it out.

Sam


well your res is really high. people are saying that bloom and shadows are causing a lot of problems as well.

NeoShocker
Caldari
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2007.11.29 02:18:00 - [4]
 

Just want to confirm something. Turn off/uncheck the advance camera controls, then reboot eve. See if you got fps back.

'cause, I seems to lose fps whenever that is on.

Alrione
Black Lagoon Inc.
Posted - 2007.11.29 02:21:00 - [5]
 

Tune down shadows, looks like some stuff needs some optimisingRolling Eyes

Mallikan
Gallente
Mercury Syndicate
Twilight Federation
Posted - 2007.11.29 02:41:00 - [6]
 

Optimizations still need to be made as it seems, and given the large leap in technology from Dx8 stuff to SM3.0, it's expected. True, with your hardware you shouldn't have any trouble really. Though the res is a bit high.

Another reminder that life in SiSi is that of testing and should not be considered "the final product." Whether it's like that in Tranq on Dec. 5th, who knows. But the only time I've seen such a big performance hit from self shadowing in other games is when the "Soft Shadows" setting is used. FEAR will tax any graphics card once the soft shadows are cranked. Though it doesn't really seem like Trinity uses the same soft shadowing.. Who knows. I'm an optimist.

Quacka
Minmatar
Dark Tree Industries
Posted - 2007.11.29 02:45:00 - [7]
 

you make it sound like you have it hard. im lucky to get over 20FPS in or outside of station. Be a little gratful that you have such a good machine!Crying or Very sad

LUH 3471
Posted - 2007.11.29 02:49:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: LUH 3471 on 29/11/2007 02:52:08
Originally by: Quacka
you make it sound like you have it hard. im lucky to get over 20FPS in or outside of station. Be a little gratful that you have such a good machine!Crying or Very sad


qft

we much to often forget to look on that what we already have which can result in unhealthy actions towards our self and our sourroundings

Claude Leon
Posted - 2007.11.29 02:51:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Claude Leon on 29/11/2007 02:53:06
Originally by: SamtheDog
I'm currently on an

Intel Duo Core 2 E6850
4GB RAM
XFX 8800GTX
30" screen @ 2560x1600 resolution

I was getting nearly 150-190 fps in space on the regular graphics. I installed the new grahpics & exited station. I was met with 8-15 fps in space outside station. In warp nearly 50fps & at a belt around 40 fps.

My hardware is very high end, yet the fps is increadibly sluggish (for me). Am I missing something here or are most players with lower end cards going to be screwed? I can't imagine alot of players with lower end cards being able to do play with a smooth framerate if the higher end cards can barely squeak out a decent frame rate.

Did I miss something in the settings? I can't seem to figure it out.

Sam


Look at your resolution. Rolling Eyes

Do some searches and you will see that a single 8800GTX will not perform that well when you have HDR, BLOOM or AA enabled to high settings. You need another one for SLI.

Drokar Gazer
DISORDERLY CONDUCT.
Posted - 2007.11.29 02:52:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: SamtheDog
I'm currently on an

Intel Duo Core 2 E6850
4GB RAM
XFX 8800GTX
30" screen @ 2560x1600 resolution

I was getting nearly 150-190 fps in space on the regular graphics. I installed the new grahpics & exited station. I was met with 8-15 fps in space outside station. In warp nearly 50fps & at a belt around 40 fps.

My hardware is very high end, yet the fps is increadibly sluggish (for me). Am I missing something here or are most players with lower end cards going to be screwed? I can't imagine alot of players with lower end cards being able to do play with a smooth framerate if the higher end cards can barely squeak out a decent frame rate.

Did I miss something in the settings? I can't seem to figure it out.

Sam


I can only assume you are using 64bit version of XP or Vista, and since EVE doesnt work to my knowledge on Vista 64, and not sure on XP, how would you claim to have 4gigs of ram if windows can only use 3gigs? (both for vista and XP 32bit)

anyway, aside from that sux you get low fps with such a nice system. my 7900gs seems to do ok but but not "great" with new graphix but remember that its unlikely singularity is operating on a server even close to what we have on Tranquility, so that might have something to do with it. We can only wait and hope the performance is what they claim as an improvement.

Claude Leon
Posted - 2007.11.29 02:54:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Drokar Gazer
Originally by: SamtheDog
I'm currently on an

Intel Duo Core 2 E6850
4GB RAM
XFX 8800GTX
30" screen @ 2560x1600 resolution

I was getting nearly 150-190 fps in space on the regular graphics. I installed the new grahpics & exited station. I was met with 8-15 fps in space outside station. In warp nearly 50fps & at a belt around 40 fps.

My hardware is very high end, yet the fps is increadibly sluggish (for me). Am I missing something here or are most players with lower end cards going to be screwed? I can't imagine alot of players with lower end cards being able to do play with a smooth framerate if the higher end cards can barely squeak out a decent frame rate.

Did I miss something in the settings? I can't seem to figure it out.

Sam


I can only assume you are using 64bit version of XP or Vista, and since EVE doesnt work to my knowledge on Vista 64, and not sure on XP, how would you claim to have 4gigs of ram if windows can only use 3gigs? (both for vista and XP 32bit)

anyway, aside from that sux you get low fps with such a nice system. my 7900gs seems to do ok but but not "great" with new graphix but remember that its unlikely singularity is operating on a server even close to what we have on Tranquility, so that might have something to do with it. We can only wait and hope the performance is what they claim as an improvement.


Newsflash! Eve works fantastic under Vista 64.

Viper G
Posted - 2007.11.29 02:55:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Viper G on 29/11/2007 03:05:44
turn off your shadows

Also your resolution is extremely high, and running HDR with AA will destroy your fps.

Mallikan
Gallente
Mercury Syndicate
Twilight Federation
Posted - 2007.11.29 03:02:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Drokar Gazer
Originally by: SamtheDog
I'm currently on an

Intel Duo Core 2 E6850
4GB RAM
XFX 8800GTX
30" screen @ 2560x1600 resolution

I was getting nearly 150-190 fps in space on the regular graphics. I installed the new grahpics & exited station. I was met with 8-15 fps in space outside station. In warp nearly 50fps & at a belt around 40 fps.

My hardware is very high end, yet the fps is increadibly sluggish (for me). Am I missing something here or are most players with lower end cards going to be screwed? I can't imagine alot of players with lower end cards being able to do play with a smooth framerate if the higher end cards can barely squeak out a decent frame rate.

Did I miss something in the settings? I can't seem to figure it out.

Sam


I can only assume you are using 64bit version of XP or Vista, and since EVE doesnt work to my knowledge on Vista 64, and not sure on XP, how would you claim to have 4gigs of ram if windows can only use 3gigs? (both for vista and XP 32bit)

anyway, aside from that sux you get low fps with such a nice system. my 7900gs seems to do ok but but not "great" with new graphix but remember that its unlikely singularity is operating on a server even close to what we have on Tranquility, so that might have something to do with it. We can only wait and hope the performance is what they claim as an improvement.


1. I'm using 4 GB in WinXP 32-bit no problem, recognized and certainly used when I throw Photoshop on.

2. You're right that the 64-bit version may have a performance issue if the client isn't setup for 64-bit. But why make a new client and not make it 64-bit compatible? I don't know, but that's likely not the issue.

3. Server side performance will have no effect on client side framerate. It may cause lag, but while lagged the FPS (frames per second) will probably show better than when not lagged due to the lack of new data clogging the Input/Output. Look up the difference between graphical lag (framerate) and network lag.

This is not intended as rude, so don't get your Ibis in a bunch. To the OP, go through the checklist of new video drivers, AA/AF combinations, and try every graphical setting there is in the new client. Find out what boosts the FPS the most. Keep in mind to save any final judgements until a little while after the official release! As much as you hate to, try a lower resolution. Sometimes games just disagree with a certain resolution. :P

VicturusTeSaluto
Gallente
Metafarmers
MeatSausage EXPRESS
Posted - 2007.11.29 03:50:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: SamtheDog

2560x1600 resolution



Stopped reading right there. I don't imagine that Crysis or similarly demanding games would run much better @ 2560x1600 w/ max details. Trinity = next-gen graphics.

SamtheDog
Singularity.
Talon Alliance
Posted - 2007.11.29 03:58:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: SamtheDog on 29/11/2007 04:04:58
Thanks for the quick replies. One person commented on my resolution. I use a 30" screen with the max details, believe me when I say this that eve is a totally new experience with so much real estate to play with. Even a 24" screen seems small in comparison & the game feels so much alive. I cannot imagine playing on 20" & I know some who are playing on 17" screens. Eek! I wont' even turn on my computer for a mere 17", 20" is my minimum.

My vista is 32bit, but since 32bit OS's can only see 3.25GB of RAM, I put in the extra stick for that 250M.
RAM is dirt cheap now anyways. Getting solid DDR ram in Korea is $16/GB for high speed Samsung RAM, so I put 4 X 1GB stick in my P35 mainboard & life is good from there. I've tried 64bit but ended up going back to 32bit because of too many driver issues that I found werent' worth bothering with with no real performance boost for eve.

I was also not aware that eve was SLI compatible. Has this changed? I'll try playing with the settings, but my card should be more than capable of handling these details with ease. If I need to plop $500 or $600 for a new card, no biggie, the aggravation of having a less than ideal setup is much more than missing the money on some other toy I'd buy.

The 8800GTX is a very powerful card & I've yet to hear a game that can outdemand it. I'll see how the settings go & give an update on the settings vs framerate ratio when I've written it all down.

Cheers

Sammy

ugh

Arc Anna
Caldari
Pacific Starfleet Command
Posted - 2007.11.29 09:56:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: SamtheDog
The 8800GTX is a very powerful card & I've yet to hear a game that can outdemand it. I'll see how the settings go & give an update on the settings vs framerate ratio when I've written it all down.


You need to read and listen more cuz u're hearing but not listening. A game that can't outdemand a 88GTX? LOL someone above already said Crysis.

Crysis will eat ur 88GTX and spit it out as so much junk. Heard of 8800 Ultras? Even SLI Ultras will have problems running Crysis at max in Vista on your ridiculous resolution...

Coeleth
Team JAVELIN
Tread Alliance
Posted - 2007.11.29 10:23:00 - [17]
 

The only reason you can run Eve DX8 at stupid-resolution(tm) is because it's an old game with barely any multitexturing and your graphics card can deal with the megapixels you're asking it to render.

When you turn on HDR, Bloom, Shadows, Shaders, the card has to process each pixel over and over again to create the finished product, meaning that higher resolutions create exponentially worse frame rates.

Turn that resolution down to 1600x1200 or 1280x1024 (and turn down the shadows, because they still seem to be unoptimized) and your framerates will leap up.

Zenst
Hall Of Flame
Chain of Chaos
Posted - 2007.11.29 10:31:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: SamtheDog
I'm currently on an

Intel Duo Core 2 E6850
4GB RAM
XFX 8800GTX
30" screen @ 2560x1600 resolution

I was getting nearly 150-190 fps in space on the regular graphics. I installed the new grahpics & exited station. I was met with 8-15 fps in space outside station. In warp nearly 50fps & at a belt around 40 fps.

My hardware is very high end, yet the fps is increadibly sluggish (for me). Am I missing something here or are most players with lower end cards going to be screwed? I can't imagine alot of players with lower end cards being able to do play with a smooth framerate if the higher end cards can barely squeak out a decent frame rate.

Did I miss something in the settings? I can't seem to figure it out.

Sam



I got 2GB ram and a E6600 - framerate 60 fps BUT I lock that by forcing VSYNC on my graphics card settings for EVE in that profile, WHY - well monitor only does 60HZ refresh at 1680x1050 and like most LCD's I see no point in generating frames in the background using MORE CPU and not see any benifit - actualy get benifit by enabling VSYNC on a TFT or on a slow PC. ANyhow

Your resolution will be the issue here I suspect as that uses ALOT of memory and whilst the GTX 8800 has a lovely amount of ram onboard that resolution+using extra features==not as much gfx card ram as you would like. I think you need akin to 1.GB of pure dedicated video ram to run games at that resolution with all the latest and greatest features enabled.

All that said - all can suggest is if your system is using more than 15% on the startup/login screen then you should look at your system setup/drivers - else look at the EVE settings.

But case of plebbing out all options to dumb levels and then adjusting one at a time and see were its piddles its pants.


Also note that I found EVE I/O bound as in would thrash memory and also disc at times previusly so found having fast memory latency's and also nicely laid out discs balancing of swap and application (dedicated discs) helps an amazing amount.

Check what settings you have on the eve profile and override any defaults so you know what settings you have - highly reccomended.


Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2007.11.29 10:33:00 - [19]
 

Turn off shadows, turn off bloom, turn off HDR, keep resolution, reboot client, be happy.

Zenst
Hall Of Flame
Chain of Chaos
Posted - 2007.11.29 10:34:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Claude Leon
Originally by: Drokar Gazer
Originally by: SamtheDog
I'm currently on an

Intel Duo Core 2 E6850
4GB RAM
XFX 8800GTX
30" screen @ 2560x1600 resolution

I was getting nearly 150-190 fps in space on the regular graphics. I installed the new grahpics & exited station. I was met with 8-15 fps in space outside station. In warp nearly 50fps & at a belt around 40 fps.

My hardware is very high end, yet the fps is increadibly sluggish (for me). Am I missing something here or are most players with lower end cards going to be screwed? I can't imagine alot of players with lower end cards being able to do play with a smooth framerate if the higher end cards can barely squeak out a decent frame rate.

Did I miss something in the settings? I can't seem to figure it out.

Sam


I can only assume you are using 64bit version of XP or Vista, and since EVE doesnt work to my knowledge on Vista 64, and not sure on XP, how would you claim to have 4gigs of ram if windows can only use 3gigs? (both for vista and XP 32bit)

anyway, aside from that sux you get low fps with such a nice system. my 7900gs seems to do ok but but not "great" with new graphix but remember that its unlikely singularity is operating on a server even close to what we have on Tranquility, so that might have something to do with it. We can only wait and hope the performance is what they claim as an improvement.


Newsflash! Eve works fantastic under Vista 64.


indeed it does - apart from audio/hardware acceleration and the broken surround that was working flawlessly when they did the audio engine update 5 patch's back yet next patch broke it and been ignored since.

Melor Rend
Posted - 2007.11.29 10:49:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Melor Rend on 29/11/2007 10:51:32
I'm having the same problems with very low FPS. My machine should be able to run EVE fine since every other new games run at max settings with 50+ FPS. In stations I get ok FPS but as soon as I exit the station, the FPS drops to about 5-15 and even goes down to below 5 if I zoom in on a large object (ie. a station) and there are more then a few other players around.

I find this strange because purely from the looks of the game it should run without any problems. If I get crazy high FPS in games like The Witcher with 8x AA, 16x anisotropic filtering, max viewing distance etc. with say 5 spell casters on screen (many dynamic lighting-effects) then EVE should also have no problems imho.

I don't know a lot about graphics engines and effects so I could be totally wrong to try and compare any other 3d games with this one but somehow I find it strange that every other game runs way better then trinity on the same hardware (and trinity doesn't look any better then any other games so it's not that "next-gen" as it's made out).

Is trinity especially taxing for the graphics card and hardware in general if compared with other games or could the problem be somewhere else? If have all the newest drivers etc. installed so I'm a little lost.

Trinity looks very nice though so I'd really like to be able to play it with more then the minimum graphics settings.

Riho
Gallente
Drop of Blood
Posted - 2007.11.29 10:51:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: SamtheDog
I'm currently on an

Intel Duo Core 2 E6850
4GB RAM
XFX 8800GTX
30" screen @ 2560x1600 resolution

I was getting nearly 150-190 fps in space on the regular graphics. I installed the new grahpics & exited station. I was met with 8-15 fps in space outside station. In warp nearly 50fps & at a belt around 40 fps.

My hardware is very high end, yet the fps is increadibly sluggish (for me). Am I missing something here or are most players with lower end cards going to be screwed? I can't imagine alot of players with lower end cards being able to do play with a smooth framerate if the higher end cards can barely squeak out a decent frame rate.

Did I miss something in the settings? I can't seem to figure it out.

Sam


i have:
same quad core as u
2 gb ddr 2 fast ram
xfx 8800gts 320mb ddr3

1280x1024 rezo (19" lcd)

whit HDR on and high setings 70 fps max outside.
whit HDR off and useing AA whit shadows high settings (170 fps max in space).. about 60 fps when outside of the station whit 40 ppl outside.. 60 fps in the FFA1 whit lots and lots of ships + explosions + drones and stuff

Sine Cura
Posted - 2007.11.29 11:01:00 - [23]
 

I'm pretty much always getting 100+ fps on TQ, and getting close to it with Trinity. Even though the fps was lower, it still looked smoother though :) (HDR off)

I can't really try Trinity at the moment however, as after about 30 seconds or so outside, EVE just freezes and i have to kill the process :(

Machine:
P4 Dual Core 3.4 GHz
2GB DDR2667
8800GTS 320MB
24" @ 1920x1200 windowed

Ordo Lucius
Viziam
Posted - 2007.11.29 11:05:00 - [24]
 

Well, im running on:

2.6 GHZ Pentium 4
Geforce 7300GS
1.2 Gig Ram

I get about 25-35 fps pretty much constant, thats with HDR off and shadows on Normal. HDR kills the framerate down to about 15-20, but even with that off it still looks lovely.

Im happy :D

MHayes
Caldari
Butterfly Effect Corp.
Lorenz Alliance
Posted - 2007.11.29 11:06:00 - [25]
 

I have to agree, although you have a good spec rig, with that res it is all about the GC and even a 8800GTX is going to struggle at such a res. especially when applying AA. Increasing the res is only straining the G Card, applying AA and AF is doing it more, but as said it is a new engine so give em a little tim to optimise for now drop some AA or AF.

I have a 8800GT on a 1920x1200 24". hoping it should be alright. we will see tonight, :D

Arana Tellen
Gallente
Clan Death Corps
Posted - 2007.11.29 11:10:00 - [26]
 

Yeah your right its only 3.25gigs, but thats because the graphics card mem makes up the 4 gigs Laughing

VSYNC does not actually make the machine render less frames, it just throws any extras away Laughing

Smile

Dr Dronez
Posted - 2007.11.29 11:11:00 - [27]
 

i run a 3800 dual core 64bit with 2gb ram and 1950xt pro runnign eve atm at 1024x768 and have 150 fps in station 80 in warp and 40 in combat at best... hope trinity doesnt kills my fps to much i dont wanna play with 20 fps or lower and so bad isnt my pc i can run newer games very fluid with it just eve always resistet my opinions to get it fluid

Rulkez
Tribal Core
Posted - 2007.11.29 11:19:00 - [28]
 

If you can run any game at a decent frame rate using that resolution i'd be amazed.


me bored
Posted - 2007.11.29 11:35:00 - [29]
 

I have an x1900xt and my framerate has been unaffected by the update. You have a problem with your machine.

Dr Dronez
Posted - 2007.11.29 11:41:00 - [30]
 

mh dont belive so cause had bevore a p4 3,2ghz and same **** fps as with this pc and on this one had bevore a 7900gt who died bit ago so changed to 1950xt and also board got changed and hd(both died too ^^) and it makes no diff its like my fps are hammered into stone like it could be more but eve says NO its nuff...changing ram from 1gb to 2 gb also no diff... i have the idea it might be my inet con ?! cause both pcs runned in this home over same con the old athlon 2000 was in other home with other con) might could be that theres to much buffering and so my pc cant make more fps cause he has to wait to often for new "data" from eve server.


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