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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.11.20 18:50:00 - [1]
 

Lets see how many of you can get this. The rifles are based off of:

1. Accuracy
2. Combat effectiveness
3. Innovation
4. Handling
5. Service length


Personally I was kinda shocked by some of the rifles on the list.

Also for fun put down your top 10 personal favorites. I'll post the actual survey within the hour to see how many of you got it.

lofty29
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.11.20 18:58:00 - [2]
 

CO
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PAS
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Go get some.

Kyguard
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.11.20 18:59:00 - [3]
 

AK-47 is up there on the list.
M-16 as well but below the kalashnikov.

Rest I have no clue.

Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.11.20 20:22:00 - [4]
 

AK-47 made #1. Most widely produced and used rifle. Most Durable and longest lasting.
Accuracy: Average
Combat effectiveness: Excellent
Innovation: Excellent
Handling: Excellent
Service length: Very Long


M-16 is #2. Despite it's bad start in life it still managed to become one of the top rifles and the basic platform for alot of the newer rifles we now use.
Accuracy: High
Combat effectiveness: High
Innovation: High
Handling: High
Service length: Long

#3. SMLE. 10 round bolt action that was the main rifle in service from 1895 to 1956.
Accuracy: High
Combat effectiveness: High
Innovation: Average
Handling: High
Service length: Very Long

#4. M1 Garand. I've got one of these little badboys myself and it's a very effective tool. This was the first real successful semi-auto on the battlefield in WW2.
Accuracy: Good
Combat effectiveness: Excellent
Innovation: High
Handling: Good
Service length: Average

#5. FN FAL. If I remember, this was the first German machine gun. Very brutal weapon for it's time.
Accuracy: Average
Combat effectiveness: Average
Innovation: High
Handling: Average
Service length: Very High

#6. Mauser 98K. Can't do a top ten without a mauser. Excellent rifle and they last forever.
Accuracy: Excellent
Combat effectiveness: Average
Innovation: Very High
Handling: Average
Service length: Very High

#7. Steyr AUG. Not even sure what this one is. I think it's australian made and looks kinda funky if I'm correct.
Accuracy: Average
Combat effectiveness: Very good
Innovation: Very High
Handling: Excellent
Service length: Low

#8. 1903 Springfield. Big gun for WW1
Accuracy: Excellent
Combat effectiveness: Low
Innovation: Low
Handling: Low
Service length: Very high

#9. Stg 44. Another german made piece of warfare. Titled as the original assualt rifle.
Accuracy: Poor
Combat effectiveness: Excellent
Innovation: Very High
Handling: Average
Service length: Very Low

#10. M14. Very good weapon.
Accuracy: Excellent
Combat effectiveness: Excellent
Innovation: Average
Handling: Average
Service length: Very Low

Benny Hill
Caldari
General Thrusters
Posted - 2007.11.20 20:25:00 - [5]
 

M-1 Garand
Spencer Reapeating Rifle

Keorythe
Caldari
Terra Rosa Militia
Posted - 2007.11.20 20:39:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Keorythe on 21/11/2007 01:17:43
Edited by: Keorythe on 20/11/2007 20:40:08
AK-47
M-16
Long history between those two rifles. Both have plus and minuses. Both have innovations and long service histories. Adopted by more countries than any other rifle in existance despite competition from by other rifle designs.

FN FAL
G3
Massive improvements over any other "battle rifle" there ever was at the time. Like the AK/M16 these two had a history of competetion between them. Good stock accuracy, ergonomics, and weight trumped the competition. Many countries still field these in some form or another and G3 sniper rifles are still highly sought after.

Spanish FR-8 (7mm Mauser)
Introduced to the Spanish during the American/Spanish war to counter the American fast loading Krag. It was cutting edge tech and geared similar to the AK-47 but with superior accuracy with the fancy new "smokeless powder". Easy to field strip and fast loading with new invention of the stripper clip. But then again...it was a Mauser who have dominated many of the bolt action markets.

M-1 Garand
Introduced during WWII. This was one of the first and most successful full sized semi-automatic battle rifles used (no submachines in this thread). Its rate of fire, ruggedness, and quick reload made it supremely more combat effective than other bolt action rifles.

Sturmgewehr 44
Argueably one of the first original "assault rifles" invented. 30 rounds magazines for a infantryman grade rifle was unheard of. Ergonomics, reloading speed, accuarcy, and hard hitting light cartridge were superior to anything else. Short service life since it was introduced near end of war. Hot debate still rages over whether or not the design was reworked to make the AK-47.

Steyr AUG
Beats out the L85 due to its early problems. Bullpups still aren't widely liked but that perception is slowly changing. So far only 4 bullpups known to be mass produced for militaries (L85, AUG, Tavor, Type 95). Gets props for innovation and design. Quick change barrel is a big bonus. Hasn't had many complaints while used in combat although that part is limited. Barely makes the list.


Now before you all go and start critizing my list or throwing in fancy new rifles like the F2000 or some Star Wars lasergun just remember that all of the rifles I listed above have been used in combat. Yes the new G36 is spiffy looking but has almost no combat behind it. There are no submachine guns on this list nor crew served weapons. No the M-14 was not added because it wasn't anything special. It was trumped by the g3 and FN FAL. Yes I'm an American.

p.s.- I dont know who came up with the criteria for that history channel Top 10 rifles but it was pure CRAP.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2007.11.20 21:09:00 - [7]
 

...wish they included AT rifles, but thos have a limited use.

also I agree with Keorythe, with the addition of the Mauser 98 family. This rifle saw the Boxer rebellion in 1901, the two great wars, and altho the bolt-action principle can be considered antiquated for today's standarts, it is still considered one of the most precise, reliable and powerfull rifles in the world. And it has 100 years of history to back it.

Keorythe
Caldari
Terra Rosa Militia
Posted - 2007.11.20 21:21:00 - [8]
 

Gotta throw in a bolt action there. Modern technology is great and all but you have to mention some of the old school rifles which really had an impact on the world. Yeah just because I never used one in combat doesn't mean I should overlook them.

Too many people have a "favorite" rifle based on flavor of the month tech instead of service history and effectiveness. I still laugh when gun magazine editors talk about how "bad" the M16 is despite so many countries trying to get their hands on them or their excellent effectivenss in combat (but but 1 ex-special forces no-name guy said they were bad!).

Waiting for the first monkey to post how the new Scar is soooo good on paper but has no combat history.

Sister Impotentata
Elite Angels Of Death
Posted - 2007.11.20 21:23:00 - [9]
 

MD, you suck for not having the patience to allow at least 24 hours worth of forumers to respond. Razz

If I hadn't read your spoiler, these would be my choices.

Obviously the -47 takes the cake. The gun that doesn't shoot, loses. The gun that doesn't shoot the least is the -47.

Lee-Enfield

Garand

M 14

M 82

But these are merely the observations of a reasonably learned gamer. The only firearm I've ever discharged is a Ramset. I've got little practical interest in guns, although considering the requirements to get my hands on a Garand, I've thought about sleeping with the enemy. I'd like to play a part in preserving that bit of history.



Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.11.20 21:25:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Keorythe
Gotta throw in a bolt action there.




Yeah one of my personal favorites is my .308 British Enfield. That is an insanely accurate gun not to mention a small cannon to boot.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2007.11.20 22:52:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Keorythe
Too many people have a "favorite" rifle based on flavor of the month tech instead of service history and effectiveness.


my favourite type of rifle will always be the anti-tank rifle.
Sure it's heavy.
Sure it's not that good nowadays bar for piercing light armored APC's.

but you have to agree that one of thos can do allot of damage.

Fink Angel
Caldari
The Merry Men
Posted - 2007.11.20 22:55:00 - [12]
 

I've always been partial to my phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range.

Oh, wait, I'm not supposed to talk about that ye<no carrier>

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2007.11.20 23:08:00 - [13]
 

The M40A1

7.62x51mm, shots finding target out to 1200 yds. Crafted in Vietnam, served until approx 2003 until someone decided the Marines need a new rifle... the A3 blows Evil or Very Mad

Digital Solaris
Posted - 2007.11.20 23:18:00 - [14]
 

The OP is making a shopping list, because he failed in a whole different department?

Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.11.20 23:23:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Digital Solaris
The OP is making a shopping list, because he failed in a whole different department?


Not sure what the failed in a whole different department means but it ain't no shopping list. Just watched this on the military channel last night and found it interesting. Was kinda surprised not to see the thompson in the list.

And besides, I've got me more than enough guns Twisted Evil

Gneeznow
Minmatar
Ship spinners inc
Posted - 2007.11.20 23:33:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Gneeznow on 20/11/2007 23:43:47
No love for the mosin nagant eh :\

also the FN FAL is made by fabrique nationale, a belgian company, and steyr AUG army universal gun is made in austria

edit: also the L85 is apparently one of the worst made modern rifles in the world (thats the english army rifle)

pwnedgato
Posted - 2007.11.20 23:38:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Digital Solaris
The OP is making a shopping list, because he failed in a whole different department?


Not sure what the failed in a whole different department means but it ain't no shopping list. Just watched this on the military channel last night and found it interesting. Was kinda surprised not to see the thompson in the list.

And besides, I've got me more than enough guns Twisted Evil

The Thompson is a SMG not a rifle...

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2007.11.20 23:43:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 20/11/2007 23:43:09
Originally by: pwnedgato
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Digital Solaris
The OP is making a shopping list, because he failed in a whole different department?


Not sure what the failed in a whole different department means but it ain't no shopping list. Just watched this on the military channel last night and found it interesting. Was kinda surprised not to see the thompson in the list.

And besides, I've got me more than enough guns Twisted Evil

The Thompson is a SMG not a rifle...


hehehe, he shut you up Dietrich Laughing

Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.11.20 23:44:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 20/11/2007 23:43:09
Originally by: pwnedgato
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Digital Solaris
The OP is making a shopping list, because he failed in a whole different department?


Not sure what the failed in a whole different department means but it ain't no shopping list. Just watched this on the military channel last night and found it interesting. Was kinda surprised not to see the thompson in the list.

And besides, I've got me more than enough guns Twisted Evil

The Thompson is a SMG not a rifle...


hehehe, he shut you up Dietrich Laughing


Depends on what your definition of rifle is Very Happy

Fink Angel
Caldari
The Merry Men
Posted - 2007.11.20 23:45:00 - [20]
 

I can only assume the rifle this guy was using never made it onto that list:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk0HYn2u7c0

Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.11.20 23:46:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Fink Angel
I can only assume the rifle this guy was using never made it onto that list:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk0HYn2u7c0


OMG LOL. That was just sad.

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2007.11.20 23:47:00 - [22]
 

A rifle uses rifle ammunition for one Wink

A submachine gun (SMG) is a firearm that combines the automatic fire of a machine gun with the cartridge of a pistol, and is usually between the two in weight and size. <--- according to the all-knowing wiki Very Happy

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2007.11.20 23:48:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 20/11/2007 23:48:59
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Fink Angel
I can only assume the rifle this guy was using never made it onto that list:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk0HYn2u7c0


OMG LOL. That was just sad.


ShockedughConfusedSmileVery HappyLaughing

I am so posting that on my myspace Laughing

pwnedgato
Posted - 2007.11.20 23:48:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

Depends on what your definition of rifle is Very Happy

No it quite simply is a Sub-Machine Gun it fired the .45 pistol round the same round you put in the magazine (or drum) for a Thompson is the same round that you would put in a 1911 Colt .45

Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.11.20 23:56:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: pwnedgato
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

Depends on what your definition of rifle is Very Happy

No it quite simply is a Sub-Machine Gun it fired the .45 pistol round the same round you put in the magazine (or drum) for a Thompson is the same round that you would put in a 1911 Colt .45



.45ACP, .22LR, .32ACP, .38ACP, 9mmP were all the available ammo types for the thompson. BSA Thompsons could also use 7.65mm Parbellium (.30 Ruger) rounds.

pwnedgato
Posted - 2007.11.20 23:58:00 - [26]
 

there are always variations of weapons that can fire other round types. You can buy M4's that fire 9mm rounds or 6.8mm M16's

SoftRevolution
Posted - 2007.11.21 00:14:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: SoftRevolution on 21/11/2007 00:16:10
I think I saw the same programme on YouTube.

I'd have probably put the FAL higher for sheer ubiquity. If you go to the Imperial War Museum and check out the Falklands exhibit both sides are using almost exactly the same small arms and it wasn't just Britain and Argentina buying lots of FN. Huge list of countries using it. You have to respect it's market penetration if nothing else.

The Steyr and the M14 I'd have possibly bumped for having naff safety features and for being in service for five minutes respectively.

Shalia Ripper
Caldari
The Elevens
Posted - 2007.11.21 00:37:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: pwnedgato
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

Depends on what your definition of rifle is Very Happy

No it quite simply is a Sub-Machine Gun it fired the .45 pistol round the same round you put in the magazine (or drum) for a Thompson is the same round that you would put in a 1911 Colt .45



.45ACP, .22LR, .32ACP, .38ACP, 9mmP were all the available ammo types for the thompson. BSA Thompsons could also use 7.65mm Parbellium (.30 Ruger) rounds.


Yes, they are all handgun rounds.

A "battle rifle" does not use handgun rounds. Feel free to start a "best SMG's of all time". In that case, you can include the Thompson, the grease gun and so on.

Gneeznow
Minmatar
Ship spinners inc
Posted - 2007.11.21 00:45:00 - [29]
 

Thompson is not a rifle, it is a submachinegun, its was it was invented with the idea of a 'trench broom' in mind, not as a proper rifle.

Benny Hill
Caldari
General Thrusters
Posted - 2007.11.21 02:19:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Benny Hill on 21/11/2007 02:19:31
Originally by: Keorythe


Too many people have a "favorite" rifle based on flavor of the month tech instead of service history and effectiveness. I still laugh when gun magazine editors talk about how "bad" the M16 is despite so many countries trying to get their hands on them or their excellent effectivenss in combat (but but 1 ex-special forces no-name guy said they were bad!).




The M-16 was bad when first deployed because of the government administration screwing around with barrel twists, metal composition, and even the powder. And the results were terrible, and not the rifle the inventors created and tested. And it left a terrible, terrible impression on people that had to fight with it for a few years. In fact, not even the Viet Cong would use the rifle if they found it on the field except for scrap metal.

However - once the rifle was built with the right materials and used with the right ball and powder, it was a a different story. It became the rifle it was supposed to be.

The M-16 might not have its "bad reputation" hanging on it if they had only given it a new designation after the changes were made to build the rifle as intended, and to use the right ammunition (correct clean burning powder) as intended. The problem is - the same rifles that was inaccurate, performed miserably, and would sometimes blow up, looks exactly the same as the corrected ones.


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