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Admiral Pelleon
Caldari
White Shadow Imperium
Posted - 2007.11.17 04:19:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Re Mi
Edited by: Re Mi on 17/11/2007 03:54:11
Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
Originally by: Re Mi
Originally by: Divus
i agree with tha op - but what can we do i ask you?


Good question. What can you do? Be aware that our supplies, are your supply line link to Empire, and it CAN be cut through this kind of warfare. What happens if ships and modules stop flowing at the same time your home systems are being attacked and your services are being knocked off line? What happens if trit and POS fuel stops getting delivered to your doorstep? Empire is a lifeline to any alliance under stress. You kill empire, you kill 0.0. As far as what you can do, keep the major wars in 0.0. Don't make it my problem.


You do understand most large alliances, and even most small ones, are completely self sufficient right?

We only have a few hundred members and empire being 50 jumps away means we have nothing to rely on besides ourselves.


Surely you jest. 0.0 is anything but self sufficient. They have vast piles of isk that goes towards buying huge quantities of empire goods. Empire provides the surge capacity that makes alliances viable when they need to fight a war. If that is true that 0.0 is self sufficient, then who is buying all of my stuff? Its not mission runners. Its not small corps/alliances in empire.


We have a full T1 and T2 ship production capability, as well as full T1 and T2 modules (when BPC's are available). There has never been a shortage of anything for us. Having a large industrial backround gives us this flexibility, and we've got nothing on the might of any of the larger alliances.

Hrin
Minmatar
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.11.17 04:22:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: Hrin on 17/11/2007 04:21:47
Is this why the OP is poasting?

Malcore Trisus
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.11.17 04:31:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Malcore Trisus on 17/11/2007 04:37:37
Edited by: Malcore Trisus on 17/11/2007 04:34:14
Edited by: Malcore Trisus on 17/11/2007 04:32:51
Originally by: Re Mi
Originally by: Divus
i agree with tha op - but what can we do i ask you?


Good question. What can you do? Be aware that our supplies, are your supply line link to Empire, and it CAN be cut through this kind of warfare. What happens if ships and modules stop flowing at the same time your home systems are being attacked and your services are being knocked off line? What happens if trit and POS fuel stops getting delivered to your doorstep? Empire is a lifeline to any alliance under stress. You kill empire, you kill 0.0. As far as what you can do, keep the major wars in 0.0. Don't make it my problem.


You do understand most large alliances, and even most small ones, are completely self sufficient right?

We only have a few hundred members and empire being 50 jumps away means we have nothing to rely on besides ourselves.


Surely you jest. 0.0 is anything but self sufficient. They have vast piles of isk that goes towards buying huge quantities of empire goods. Empire provides the surge capacity that makes alliances viable when they need to fight a war. If that is true that 0.0 is self sufficient, then who is buying all of my stuff? Its not mission runners. Its not small corps/alliances in empire.


0.0 may not be sufficient but most corps and alliances are - they have to be to live in 0.0. I could count the number of times I've bout an item off the open market in 0.0 in the last 6 months on 1 hand.

The 0.0 market is way too inflated, erratic, and spread out to be able to rely on anyone but yourself and your corp.

Re Mi
Caldari
Funshine Unlimited
Posted - 2007.11.17 04:46:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
Originally by: Re Mi
Edited by: Re Mi on 17/11/2007 03:54:11
Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
Originally by: Re Mi
Originally by: Divus
i agree with tha op - but what can we do i ask you?


Good question. What can you do? Be aware that our supplies, are your supply line link to Empire, and it CAN be cut through this kind of warfare. What happens if ships and modules stop flowing at the same time your home systems are being attacked and your services are being knocked off line? What happens if trit and POS fuel stops getting delivered to your doorstep? Empire is a lifeline to any alliance under stress. You kill empire, you kill 0.0. As far as what you can do, keep the major wars in 0.0. Don't make it my problem.


You do understand most large alliances, and even most small ones, are completely self sufficient right?

We only have a few hundred members and empire being 50 jumps away means we have nothing to rely on besides ourselves.


Surely you jest. 0.0 is anything but self sufficient. They have vast piles of isk that goes towards buying huge quantities of empire goods. Empire provides the surge capacity that makes alliances viable when they need to fight a war. If that is true that 0.0 is self sufficient, then who is buying all of my stuff? Its not mission runners. Its not small corps/alliances in empire.


We have a full T1 and T2 ship production capability, as well as full T1 and T2 modules (when BPC's are available). There has never been a shortage of anything for us. Having a large industrial backround gives us this flexibility, and we've got nothing on the might of any of the larger alliances.


I guess I don't know the inner workings of your alliance, but I do know what I sell and where, and I don't believe that for a second that alliances are independent, that is complete fiction. As far as production capacity, there are a lot of people as individuals who can make all T1 and T2 items and have the BPC stockpiled to invent short runs as needed. Thats not a big deal. Being able to supply massive volume is a big deal.

What makes the 0.0 economy possible is the newb in a velator that mines the trit in a 1.0 system, the gangs in hulks stripping empire belts, the missioners who crank out level 4's all day that melt their loot, that gets shipped and made into a Titan in 0.0. They supply the volume that is needed. Frankly, in terms of production cost, 0.0 is an expensive and difficult place to produce goods, and empire can do it better, cheaper, faster.

Lianlan Lou
Caldari
ISK Farmer and Sweatshop INC.
Posted - 2007.11.17 04:51:00 - [35]
 

Eve isn't supposed to be a place where you can haul your little paper thin industrial with no risk involved.

again i'll say this simply
HIGH SEC does not equal NO RISK.

Every time you undock you take a risk at being suicided on by someone, for their own enjoyment.

You signed up for all of this when you agreed to login. These ganks weren't about a "war" they were done because they could do it, and you didn't do anything to stop it. (fit extenders on your industrial, a warp core stab, and don't go afk.)

Re Mi
Caldari
Funshine Unlimited
Posted - 2007.11.17 05:14:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Hrin
Edited by: Hrin on 17/11/2007 04:21:47
Is this why the OP is poasting?


I read the link. If you have good enough intel to know who my haulers are, then you know none of them are on that list. I don't haul bulk into low sec or 0.0. That looks like the BOB carrier jump point in your link, where haulers are being killed by the dozen. If there was an alliance that did not need re-supply, I would expect it to be BOB. There is proof of concept anyway for what I am saying, that alliances need empire for supply.

Based on your example, if I get killed on my way to Kor-Azor Prime (where I have had trouble near Amarr in the past), those supplies could just as easily be going to you, as going to BOB, you don't know. But probably, they are going to neither of you. There are a number of active corps, and alliances that live in that regional complex, who buy more as an aggregate than both of you put together via hat route. If you shoot people before they get to Kor-Azor Prime you are probably shooting the wrong person. If you bring both BOB and GOON resources to bear on killing people in that hauling corridor, it will whither and die.

I stay in empire for the most part. But that tactic is what is working its way into empire, the tactic of hitting haulers, and I am not going to claim it is by any alliance in particular because I don't want to label a particular alliance with guilt. I am not taking shots at the Goons. What I don't want to see is every hauler getting targetted well within empire space, just because they are in a particular region. That is what I see creeping into the game.


Tiberius Decius
Caldari
Capital Bombardment
Posted - 2007.11.17 05:17:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Re Mi
Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
Originally by: Re Mi
Edited by: Re Mi on 17/11/2007 03:54:11
Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
Originally by: Re Mi
Originally by: Divus
i agree with tha op - but what can we do i ask you?


Good question. What can you do? Be aware that our supplies, are your supply line link to Empire, and it CAN be cut through this kind of warfare. What happens if ships and modules stop flowing at the same time your home systems are being attacked and your services are being knocked off line? What happens if trit and POS fuel stops getting delivered to your doorstep? Empire is a lifeline to any alliance under stress. You kill empire, you kill 0.0. As far as what you can do, keep the major wars in 0.0. Don't make it my problem.


You do understand most large alliances, and even most small ones, are completely self sufficient right?

We only have a few hundred members and empire being 50 jumps away means we have nothing to rely on besides ourselves.


Surely you jest. 0.0 is anything but self sufficient. They have vast piles of isk that goes towards buying huge quantities of empire goods. Empire provides the surge capacity that makes alliances viable when they need to fight a war. If that is true that 0.0 is self sufficient, then who is buying all of my stuff? Its not mission runners. Its not small corps/alliances in empire.


We have a full T1 and T2 ship production capability, as well as full T1 and T2 modules (when BPC's are available). There has never been a shortage of anything for us. Having a large industrial backround gives us this flexibility, and we've got nothing on the might of any of the larger alliances.


I guess I don't know the inner workings of your alliance, but I do know what I sell and where, and I don't believe that for a second that alliances are independent, that is complete fiction. As far as production capacity, there are a lot of people as individuals who can make all T1 and T2 items and have the BPC stockpiled to invent short runs as needed. Thats not a big deal. Being able to supply massive volume is a big deal.

What makes the 0.0 economy possible is the newb in a velator that mines the trit in a 1.0 system, the gangs in hulks stripping empire belts, the missioners who crank out level 4's all day that melt their loot, that gets shipped and made into a Titan in 0.0. They supply the volume that is needed. Frankly, in terms of production cost, 0.0 is an expensive and difficult place to produce goods, and empire can do it better, cheaper, faster.



Perhaps you should take your little carebear heart out into 0.0 and find out for yourself. You say 0.0 cant do this and that, but yet i bet you have never even worked out of 0.0 before. Have you? Our corporation alone makes everything i need in 0.0 let alone all the other corporations and alliance, i havnt been to empire in 6 months. Sure its inflated, but you make stupid amounts of money easily so who cares?

That hauler/freigther of yours has alot more value to you then my more expensive ship does to me, but mostly its your tears that make it all worth the while

Dr Paithos
Minmatar
Republic Deep Space Institute
Posted - 2007.11.17 05:19:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Dr Paithos on 17/11/2007 05:22:20
The only modules I've ever bought in 0.0 were an interceptor and a couple nano IIs. This is because the ship was cheaper than Jita price.

Supplying 0.0 markets is convenient for some people, but the majority sort out their own stuff, or at worst buy it on alliance (outpost) internal markets/via forums. Don't kid yourself your supplies make a real difference to spaceholding alliances. If you ship to lowsec I'd expect the majority of your sales go to the same people who blow up your haulers for "no reason".

The days of Not Red Don't Shoot are long gone. I can just about count people who won't attack neutral empire haulers on one hand - ISS, IAC, Star Fraction, can't really think of any others.

People have no guarantee you're neutral, anyway. If you're selling your stuff on the open market hostiles could buy it. Better to protect your blues, and if they do that kinda thing the profit goes to them. Blowing up neutrals and taking their stuff, if it's worth it, is the only way to be sure. Protectionism itt


Oh you're talking about suiciding in hisec empire? Bleh well same thing it makes no difference to the market so it makes no difference to alliances (if they even need the market at all)

Riddal
Gallente
The Older Gamers
R0ADKILL
Posted - 2007.11.17 05:26:00 - [39]
 

Just stay in Jita, docked, and you won't get blown up.


Re Mi
Caldari
Funshine Unlimited
Posted - 2007.11.17 05:33:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Tiberius Decius


Perhaps you should take your little carebear heart out into 0.0 and find out for yourself. You say 0.0 cant do this and that, but yet i bet you have never even worked out of 0.0 before. Have you? Our corporation alone makes everything i need in 0.0 let alone all the other corporations and alliance, i havnt been to empire in 6 months. Sure its inflated, but you make stupid amounts of money easily so who cares?

That hauler/freigther of yours has alot more value to you then my more expensive ship does to me, but mostly its your tears that make it all worth the while


I would like to see you build a titan without empire trit. Do the math and calculate the man hours it takes purely from the resources you have now. See you after a couple of years in your Hulk. Surprised

Oh, and the reason your prices are inflated, is because that is what I sell things at, to that guy in your corp who always seems to have what you need. Thank you for the isk. Now imagine for a second if you you could buy things at Jita prices. Think what you as a corp could buy, and think what you could do. It would be like doubling or tripling your buying power. The lack of security is primarily what you are paying for, not the distance.

Admiral Pelleon
Caldari
White Shadow Imperium
Posted - 2007.11.17 05:35:00 - [41]
 

Edited by: Admiral Pelleon on 17/11/2007 05:35:37
Originally by: Re Mi
Originally by: Tiberius Decius


Perhaps you should take your little carebear heart out into 0.0 and find out for yourself. You say 0.0 cant do this and that, but yet i bet you have never even worked out of 0.0 before. Have you? Our corporation alone makes everything i need in 0.0 let alone all the other corporations and alliance, i havnt been to empire in 6 months. Sure its inflated, but you make stupid amounts of money easily so who cares?

That hauler/freigther of yours has alot more value to you then my more expensive ship does to me, but mostly its your tears that make it all worth the while


I would like to see you build a titan without empire trit. Do the math and calculate the man hours it takes purely from the resources you have now. See you after a couple of years in your Hulk. Surprised

Oh, and the reason your prices are inflated, is because that is what I sell things at, to that guy in your corp who always seems to have what you need. Thank you for the isk. Now imagine for a second if you you could buy things at Jita prices. Think what you as a corp could buy, and think what you could do. It would be like doubling or tripling your buying power. The lack of security is primarily what you are paying for, not the distance.


Show me the alliance who is going to ship 100m trit 50 jumps. Or they could have the lower ranked players sit in a belt, in a gang of 50, and mine trit for a day.

SengH
Minmatar
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.11.17 05:44:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
Edited by: Admiral Pelleon on 17/11/2007 05:35:37
Originally by: Re Mi
Originally by: Tiberius Decius


Perhaps you should take your little carebear heart out into 0.0 and find out for yourself. You say 0.0 cant do this and that, but yet i bet you have never even worked out of 0.0 before. Have you? Our corporation alone makes everything i need in 0.0 let alone all the other corporations and alliance, i havnt been to empire in 6 months. Sure its inflated, but you make stupid amounts of money easily so who cares?

That hauler/freigther of yours has alot more value to you then my more expensive ship does to me, but mostly its your tears that make it all worth the while


I would like to see you build a titan without empire trit. Do the math and calculate the man hours it takes purely from the resources you have now. See you after a couple of years in your Hulk. Surprised

Oh, and the reason your prices are inflated, is because that is what I sell things at, to that guy in your corp who always seems to have what you need. Thank you for the isk. Now imagine for a second if you you could buy things at Jita prices. Think what you as a corp could buy, and think what you could do. It would be like doubling or tripling your buying power. The lack of security is primarily what you are paying for, not the distance.


Show me the alliance who is going to ship 100m trit 50 jumps. Or they could have the lower ranked players sit in a belt, in a gang of 50, and mine trit for a day.


Hi, I'd like to introduce both of you to a novel concept called the hauler spawn. On an average ratting day you run into at least one and more often than not they contain ridiculous amounts of trit with most people cant be bothered to haul. The average hauler spawn ive seen contains anywhere from 20-30mil trit. However in NPC regions I've seen it go up to 300mil trit (3 haulers dropped 10 cans of 10mil trit each) from a single spawn and most people let them pop because no one can be arsed to haul it.

Misfitsa
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.11.17 06:41:00 - [43]
 

how are people still falling for this troll?

Ponderous Thunderstroke
Minmatar
Republic War Machine Industries
Posted - 2007.11.17 07:13:00 - [44]
 

This Ri-Ri....er, Re Mi, has to be a trollus profundus, to shrug off that every 0.0 alliance has some kind of industrial wing, whether alts or under the alliance flag, that does their own production, mining, and hauling. I order you, Re Mi, to get back under your bridge.

Altus Maximus
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2007.11.17 07:16:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Re Mi

I am a neutral party in empire. You get a .5 security reduction to shoot at me. My cargo hold is empty. Why would you shoot at me?


there are 35 players with a -10 rating according to ccp ... i want to be back in that listTwisted Evil

Gremrod
Minmatar
Cryptic Rebound Inc
Posted - 2007.11.17 08:26:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Altus Maximus
Originally by: Re Mi

I am a neutral party in empire. You get a .5 security reduction to shoot at me. My cargo hold is empty. Why would you shoot at me?


there are 35 players with a -10 rating according to ccp ... i want to be back in that listTwisted Evil


Its not at 42 with a perfect -10

Gamesguy
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2007.11.17 09:10:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Re Mi
Originally by: Tiberius Decius


Perhaps you should take your little carebear heart out into 0.0 and find out for yourself. You say 0.0 cant do this and that, but yet i bet you have never even worked out of 0.0 before. Have you? Our corporation alone makes everything i need in 0.0 let alone all the other corporations and alliance, i havnt been to empire in 6 months. Sure its inflated, but you make stupid amounts of money easily so who cares?

That hauler/freigther of yours has alot more value to you then my more expensive ship does to me, but mostly its your tears that make it all worth the while


I would like to see you build a titan without empire trit. Do the math and calculate the man hours it takes purely from the resources you have now. See you after a couple of years in your Hulk. Surprised

Oh, and the reason your prices are inflated, is because that is what I sell things at, to that guy in your corp who always seems to have what you need. Thank you for the isk. Now imagine for a second if you you could buy things at Jita prices. Think what you as a corp could buy, and think what you could do. It would be like doubling or tripling your buying power. The lack of security is primarily what you are paying for, not the distance.



Most people supply their own equipment in jita, with hauler alts that move them down to lowsec and carriers that jump them up into 0.0.

You provide no service that 0.0ers cant handle themselves in far greater volume. So why shouldn't they kill you?

Van'Klomp
Minmatar
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2007.11.17 09:26:00 - [48]
 

You want 100% risk free care-bearing?

http://www.lotro.com/
http://worldofwarcraft.com/

This is EVE... Learn to adapt.


Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2007.11.17 09:39:00 - [49]
 

The only problem I see is when the attackers use trial accounts who come for free and can be aquired in whatever amount. This would be the only case where I see a problem, because there is no drawback: you get bad standings? Just throw away this trial account and get a fresh one. Of course this sort of play is really lame and boring, but this is Eve and I am sure that people are doing lots of lame and boring things just to 'win'.

Hey You
Amarr
Spricer
Raiden.
Posted - 2007.11.17 09:59:00 - [50]
 

I completely agree with all your points of view and all what you said! I hereby urge all parties not to grief careebars in EvE. It sucks and its low.

oh wait...

TheDevilsJury
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.11.17 10:00:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Re Mi
I would like to see you build a titan without empire trit. Do the math and calculate the man hours it takes purely from the resources you have now. See you after a couple of years in your Hulk. Surprised

Oh, and the reason your prices are inflated, is because that is what I sell things at, to that guy in your corp who always seems to have what you need. Thank you for the isk. Now imagine for a second if you you could buy things at Jita prices. Think what you as a corp could buy, and think what you could do. It would be like doubling or tripling your buying power. The lack of security is primarily what you are paying for, not the distance.


Stupid empire dwellers only understand mining it seems. Mineral importers don't buy trit at major hubs, the supply is too hard to haul even with fleets of freighter alts. Refining NPC goods is far more efficient as they are available exactly where you need them. Furthermore, refine tax analysis and market volume shows that a large majority of the low-end minerals in 0.0 actually come from hauler spawns and refining rat loot than importation. So you can keep your hulk thanks.

Tech 2 importers haul all their own goods, with alts, which also get suicide ganked, so I don't know why you're complaining about your haulers getting ganked. You don't provide any service using those haulers we can't do far better ourselves. Even the price differential is tiny, in Goonswarm 0.0 hubs prices are on par with those in minor empire hubs like Hek, Amarr, and Aunia.

Kasigi Yabu
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2007.11.17 10:27:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Re Mi
Originally by: Tiberius Decius


Perhaps you should take your little carebear heart out into 0.0 and find out for yourself. You say 0.0 cant do this and that, but yet i bet you have never even worked out of 0.0 before. Have you? Our corporation alone makes everything i need in 0.0 let alone all the other corporations and alliance, i havnt been to empire in 6 months. Sure its inflated, but you make stupid amounts of money easily so who cares?

That hauler/freigther of yours has alot more value to you then my more expensive ship does to me, but mostly its your tears that make it all worth the while


I would like to see you build a titan without empire trit. Do the math and calculate the man hours it takes purely from the resources you have now. See you after a couple of years in your Hulk. Surprised

Oh, and the reason your prices are inflated, is because that is what I sell things at, to that guy in your corp who always seems to have what you need. Thank you for the isk. Now imagine for a second if you you could buy things at Jita prices. Think what you as a corp could buy, and think what you could do. It would be like doubling or tripling your buying power. The lack of security is primarily what you are paying for, not the distance.


I think what you're forgetting is that if you, and 500 other people like you just quit the game today everything in 0.0 would be the same.

Halkin
Caldari
Locus Evolved
Posted - 2007.11.17 11:22:00 - [53]
 

my alts hauler once got targetted by a claymore, end of story

Max Mentor
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2007.11.17 11:25:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Lianlan Lou
Eve isn't supposed to be a place where you can haul your little paper thin industrial with no risk involved.

again i'll say this simply
HIGH SEC does not equal NO RISK.

Every time you undock you take a risk at being suicided on by someone, for their own enjoyment.

You signed up for all of this when you agreed to login. These ganks weren't about a "war" they were done because they could do it, and you didn't do anything to stop it. (fit extenders on your industrial, a warp core stab, and don't go afk.)


I agree with you 100%.

P.S. I am petitioning your corp name as offensive and just plain idiotic. Even joking about being a farmer makes me want to hurl.

Doddy
Gallente
Excidium.
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2007.11.17 13:56:00 - [55]
 

0.0 alliances rely on empire trit? have u ever seen a 0.0 hauler spawn? Most people dont even pick the mils of trit up cos they have so much of the stuff filling up their hangars already. Wouldnt surprise me to find that several cap ships have been built on hauler spawns alone tbh.

Ponderous Thunderstroke
Minmatar
Republic War Machine Industries
Posted - 2007.11.17 15:12:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Max Mentor
Originally by: Lianlan Lou
Eve isn't supposed to be a place where you can haul your little paper thin industrial with no risk involved.

again i'll say this simply
HIGH SEC does not equal NO RISK.

Every time you undock you take a risk at being suicided on by someone, for their own enjoyment.

You signed up for all of this when you agreed to login. These ganks weren't about a "war" they were done because they could do it, and you didn't do anything to stop it. (fit extenders on your industrial, a warp core stab, and don't go afk.)


I agree with you 100%.

P.S. I am petitioning your corp name as offensive and just plain idiotic. Even joking about being a farmer makes me want to hurl.



I daresay you'll have a hard time finding the petition button, as you can't even find the "enable corp/alliance ticker" button!! Happy hunting!!

Ungdall
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.11.17 15:36:00 - [57]
 

I'd say 90% of mineral importation done to large 0.0 alliance is all done by that alliances own producers. We have (had) carriers for a reason, the only thing you provide for us is a defenseless target.

Daerkannon Shimmerscale
Gallente
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
Posted - 2007.11.17 15:43:00 - [58]
 

I don't think the OP is a troll. In fact I think the OP is quite serious and simply suffers from looking at things from a purely business stand point. Frankly this is a point of view that I can agree with myself.

Blowing up empty haulers in empire makes no business sense. It might have some military worth if you're trying to enforce an embargo on an area, but there is no profit in it.

An embargo also makes no business sense unless you are trying to enforce a monopoly on an item that will make far more profit for you than what it costs you to enforce the embargo, but I don't think that that is the case here.

"Because we can" and other killmail related reasons are not good reasons from this point of view. If there's no value in your actions, then you don't do it. While I realize that the majority of posters here might not understand this point of view (I can hear the cries of 'lulz' already), I guarantee that the people running your logistics divisions in your self-sufficient 0.0 alliances do.

Don't flame someone simply because they have a different point of view than you do.

missionalt
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.11.17 15:55:00 - [59]
 

it makes perfect sense to blow up helpless haulers because the more that are blown up, the more threads like these we get.

hi5 biggest disaster

Sekar casal
Gallente
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.11.17 16:22:00 - [60]
 

Im not especially interested int the rights and wrongs of killing haulers, and I suspect the OP realised what response would be garnered from the post "but but but kiling haulers is teh fun isnt it" yada yada yada, however, the poster obviously has a market in 0.0 so folks posting that there isnt one seems a tad irrelevant ?.


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