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Re Mi
Caldari
Funshine Unlimited
Posted - 2007.11.17 02:37:00 - [1]
 

It seems people where I am trading, people have drawn unwanted attention from some alliances who do not want supplies delivered to certain areas of Empire. I have yet to lose a major load, but this cuts back on my profits and ability to move goods. I believe I know who those people are who are behind this. But I am just a trader and industrialist, I don't have a capital fleet handy to protect myself. I don't want to name names, or even the region this is happening, for fear of further attacks, but please stop attacking empire haulers. I live primarily in empire because most 0.0 corps are taskmasters who take the fun out of the game for Industrialists. We have no interest in your war, and only want to do what we do in Empire.

This kind of interdiction which attacks ALL haulers is excessive. I notice we are not the only Empire Industrialists being griefed. I see the broken haulers all the time along these routes and the situation is getting worse. Even a freighter load of trit might be a target now. Much of what is going on is pirates, but I have been doing a little bit of intel work, mostly by cataloging bios, and tracking gangs and seeing who is working with each other, that seems to show its not just piracy. I believe that some of what is going on is part of a campaign to kill off suppliers in that area to deny access to resources, with a bonus of pirate loot for the attacker. As far as I can see that seems to be the goal for at least some of these attacks. The freighter take downs of neutral parties are particularly disturbing (although we thankfully haven't had a loss of that kind). I don't think it is appropriate to gank people who don't side with your 0.0 alliance who live in Empire who are completely neutral. This mostly affects people who have absolutely nothing to do with your war, which are empire corps, miners, missioners and so on. There are 85% of eve citizens who live in Empire and don't want to be a part of your war.

I fully understand if you need to attack alts from other alliances. But don't attack neutral parties.

Alliances that pledge not to attack neutral empire haulers, please sign this post.

Pilk
Caldari
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.11.17 02:39:00 - [2]
 

I'm going to assume you're kidding. To do otherwise would be too painful.

--P

Humjob
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.11.17 02:42:00 - [3]
 

Goonfleet pledges not to blow up pubbie freighters for fun and profit. Come trade with us fellow space blacksmithe.

Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.11.17 02:42:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Re Mi
I don't think it is appropriate to gank people who don't side with your 0.0 alliance who live in Empire who are completely neutral.
Alliances that pledge not to attack neutral empire haulers, please sign this post.


Some people do it for fun...sorry that idea is lost on you

This is kind of the same argument where a 20day old guy says he should not be killed in low sec. He claims he is not threat to anyone, and should be allowed to do what he likes...risk free

If you are in a ship in space, you are a target Razz


Misfitsa
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.11.17 02:54:00 - [5]
 

Tell me where the rogues are and I swear by Graptar's hammer I shall avenge thee.

Re Mi
Caldari
Funshine Unlimited
Posted - 2007.11.17 02:57:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Re Mi on 17/11/2007 03:01:05
I am prepared for random pirates, I am not prepared for people to kill me when my haul isn't worth a pirates time. There is no explanation for that kind of attack, and no defense.

edit*
And I am not talking about low sec, empire ganks in an organized way.

Misfitsa
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.11.17 03:00:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Re Mi
I am prepared for random pirates, I am not prepared for people to kill me when my haul isn't worth a pirates time. There is no explanation for that kind of attack, and no defense.

qft
i was flying a rifter through delve and BoB shot me. how is my little rifter even worth their time?

Re Mi
Caldari
Funshine Unlimited
Posted - 2007.11.17 03:05:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Re Mi on 17/11/2007 03:05:10
Originally by: Misfitsa
Originally by: Re Mi
I am prepared for random pirates, I am not prepared for people to kill me when my haul isn't worth a pirates time. There is no explanation for that kind of attack, and no defense.

qft
i was flying a rifter through delve and BoB shot me. how is my little rifter even worth their time?


I am a neutral party in empire. You get a .5 security reduction to shoot at me. My cargo hold is empty. Why would you shoot at me?

Humjob
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.11.17 03:06:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Re Mi
Edited by: Re Mi on 17/11/2007 03:05:10
Originally by: Misfitsa
Originally by: Re Mi
I am prepared for random pirates, I am not prepared for people to kill me when my haul isn't worth a pirates time. There is no explanation for that kind of attack, and no defense.

qft
i was flying a rifter through delve and BoB shot me. how is my little rifter even worth their time?


I am a neutral party in empire. You get a .5 security reduction to shoot at me. My cargo hold is empty. Why would you shoot at me?


lulz

Admiral Pelleon
Caldari
White Shadow Imperium
Posted - 2007.11.17 03:08:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Re Mi
Edited by: Re Mi on 17/11/2007 03:05:10
Originally by: Misfitsa
Originally by: Re Mi
I am prepared for random pirates, I am not prepared for people to kill me when my haul isn't worth a pirates time. There is no explanation for that kind of attack, and no defense.

qft
i was flying a rifter through delve and BoB shot me. how is my little rifter even worth their time?


I am a neutral party in empire. You get a .5 security reduction to shoot at me. My cargo hold is empty. Why would you shoot at me?


To break your carebear heart.

Jim Linger
Minmatar
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2007.11.17 03:12:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
Originally by: Re Mi
Edited by: Re Mi on 17/11/2007 03:05:10
Originally by: Misfitsa
Originally by: Re Mi
I am prepared for random pirates, I am not prepared for people to kill me when my haul isn't worth a pirates time. There is no explanation for that kind of attack, and no defense.

qft
i was flying a rifter through delve and BoB shot me. how is my little rifter even worth their time?


I am a neutral party in empire. You get a .5 security reduction to shoot at me. My cargo hold is empty. Why would you shoot at me?


To break your carebear heart.


^ Most Valuable Post

Vily
Amarr
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.11.17 03:13:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Re Mi
Edited by: Re Mi on 17/11/2007 03:05:10
Originally by: Misfitsa
Originally by: Re Mi
I am prepared for random pirates, I am not prepared for people to kill me when my haul isn't worth a pirates time. There is no explanation for that kind of attack, and no defense.

qft
i was flying a rifter through delve and BoB shot me. how is my little rifter even worth their time?


I am a neutral party in empire. You get a .5 security reduction to shoot at me. My cargo hold is empty. Why would you shoot at me?


They shoot you because they dont know whats in your cargohold. everybody shoot haulers, you know why? because there is zero risk, and you never know which one is going to drop an estamel invuln or a t2 bpo.

everybody hopes for that perfect hauler score, and always will.

Re Mi
Caldari
Funshine Unlimited
Posted - 2007.11.17 03:15:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Pilk
I'm going to assume you're kidding. To do otherwise would be too painful.

--P


I am not kidding. To see ships get taken down when there is no economic benefit, and a long hard standings grind to get standings back, does not make any sense unless it has a war purpose. What triggered my looking deeper into this was getting shot at with an empty hold. No pirate shoots at an empty hauler in empire. If I hadn't been warp stabbed I would have died, I was already into structure when I was able to warp to station. How do you explain something like that?

Misfitsa
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.11.17 03:18:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Re Mi
Originally by: Pilk
I'm going to assume you're kidding. To do otherwise would be too painful.

--P


I am not kidding. To see ships get taken down when there is no economic benefit, and a long hard standings grind to get standings back, does not make any sense unless it has a war purpose. What triggered my looking deeper into this was getting shot at with an empty hold. No pirate shoots at an empty hauler in empire. If I hadn't been warp stabbed I would have died, I was already into structure when I was able to warp to station. How do you explain something like that?

this gimmick is getting old. no one is this dense

Admiral Pelleon
Caldari
White Shadow Imperium
Posted - 2007.11.17 03:19:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Re Mi
Originally by: Pilk
I'm going to assume you're kidding. To do otherwise would be too painful.

--P


I am not kidding. To see ships get taken down when there is no economic benefit, and a long hard standings grind to get standings back, does not make any sense unless it has a war purpose. What triggered my looking deeper into this was getting shot at with an empty hold. No pirate shoots at an empty hauler in empire. If I hadn't been warp stabbed I would have died, I was already into structure when I was able to warp to station. How do you explain something like that?


Some of us don't care about standing loss, as we never leave low-sec or 0.0. Perhaps you should have thought of that before making a whine thread?

Orion Eridanus
Caldari
Dark Ashes
Posted - 2007.11.17 03:20:00 - [16]
 

You steal our isk with your high prices so we'll steal yours by killing your haulers and getting the occasional shiny items.

Re Mi
Caldari
Funshine Unlimited
Posted - 2007.11.17 03:22:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Misfitsa
Originally by: Re Mi
Originally by: Pilk
I'm going to assume you're kidding. To do otherwise would be too painful.

--P


I am not kidding. To see ships get taken down when there is no economic benefit, and a long hard standings grind to get standings back, does not make any sense unless it has a war purpose. What triggered my looking deeper into this was getting shot at with an empty hold. No pirate shoots at an empty hauler in empire. If I hadn't been warp stabbed I would have died, I was already into structure when I was able to warp to station. How do you explain something like that?

this gimmick is getting old. no one is this dense


Its happened more than once to people I know, all in the same area, cargo under 100 million, getting attacked, or things like minerals. Its not coincidence, its not an accident. I fly past the pirates in Uedama who run a gank machine, they don't take down these kinds of targets. It doesn't make any sense.

Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2007.11.17 03:22:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Humjob
Originally by: Re Mi


I am a neutral party in empire. You get a .5 security reduction to shoot at me. My cargo hold is empty. Why would you shoot at me?


lulz


Dis

Hrin
Minmatar
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.11.17 03:23:00 - [19]
 

How many wardecs do you have now?

Admiral Pelleon
Caldari
White Shadow Imperium
Posted - 2007.11.17 03:24:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Hrin
How many wardecs do you have now?


ooo good plan

Re Mi
Caldari
Funshine Unlimited
Posted - 2007.11.17 03:26:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Hrin
How many wardecs do you have now?


My haulers are clean alts. Go ahead.

Rhaegor Stormborn
Minmatar
BURN EDEN
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2007.11.17 03:28:00 - [22]
 


Divus
Minmatar
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.11.17 03:30:00 - [23]
 

i agree with tha op - but what can we do i ask you?

Draygo Korvan
Gallente
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.11.17 03:30:00 - [24]
 

Guys I heard empire is completely safe.

Re Mi
Caldari
Funshine Unlimited
Posted - 2007.11.17 03:39:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Divus
i agree with tha op - but what can we do i ask you?


Good question. What can you do? Be aware that our supplies, are your supply line link to Empire, and it CAN be cut through this kind of warfare. What happens if ships and modules stop flowing at the same time your home systems are being attacked and your services are being knocked off line? What happens if trit and POS fuel stops getting delivered to your doorstep? Empire is a lifeline to any alliance under stress. You kill empire, you kill 0.0. As far as what you can do, keep the major wars in 0.0. Don't make it my problem.

Admiral Pelleon
Caldari
White Shadow Imperium
Posted - 2007.11.17 03:48:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Re Mi
Originally by: Divus
i agree with tha op - but what can we do i ask you?


Good question. What can you do? Be aware that our supplies, are your supply line link to Empire, and it CAN be cut through this kind of warfare. What happens if ships and modules stop flowing at the same time your home systems are being attacked and your services are being knocked off line? What happens if trit and POS fuel stops getting delivered to your doorstep? Empire is a lifeline to any alliance under stress. You kill empire, you kill 0.0. As far as what you can do, keep the major wars in 0.0. Don't make it my problem.


You do understand most large alliances, and even most small ones, are completely self sufficient right?

We only have a few hundred members and empire being 50 jumps away means we have nothing to rely on besides ourselves.

Re Mi
Caldari
Funshine Unlimited
Posted - 2007.11.17 03:53:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Re Mi on 17/11/2007 03:54:11
Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
Originally by: Re Mi
Originally by: Divus
i agree with tha op - but what can we do i ask you?


Good question. What can you do? Be aware that our supplies, are your supply line link to Empire, and it CAN be cut through this kind of warfare. What happens if ships and modules stop flowing at the same time your home systems are being attacked and your services are being knocked off line? What happens if trit and POS fuel stops getting delivered to your doorstep? Empire is a lifeline to any alliance under stress. You kill empire, you kill 0.0. As far as what you can do, keep the major wars in 0.0. Don't make it my problem.


You do understand most large alliances, and even most small ones, are completely self sufficient right?

We only have a few hundred members and empire being 50 jumps away means we have nothing to rely on besides ourselves.


Surely you jest. 0.0 is anything but self sufficient. They have vast piles of isk that goes towards buying huge quantities of empire goods. Empire provides the surge capacity that makes alliances viable when they need to fight a war. If that is true that 0.0 is self sufficient, then who is buying all of my stuff? Its not mission runners. Its not small corps/alliances in empire.

Zataaki
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.11.17 03:58:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Zataaki on 17/11/2007 03:58:11
This is a pretty good troll but just on the off-chance that you're being serious, nobody cares what you haul in empire, and I imagine blowing up your haulers is pretty fun.

Re Mi
Caldari
Funshine Unlimited
Posted - 2007.11.17 04:06:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Zataaki
Edited by: Zataaki on 17/11/2007 03:58:11
This is a pretty good troll but just on the off-chance that you're being serious, nobody cares what you haul in empire, and I imagine blowing up your haulers is pretty fun.


Thats funny, even if its bringing supplies you need to survive in your current war? Being a goon, you must know you have tremendous industrial capacity. You must also know you don't have anything close to what you need to operate at current levels. If someone were to choke off your empire supplies, you would be forced to divert massive manpower to industry, and you don't have an industrialist culture in your alliance to put it bluntly. You would not be able to sustain your current war. You need empire more than anyone.

Hrin
Minmatar
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.11.17 04:14:00 - [30]
 

I see you are unfamiliar with my corp


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