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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.11.19 20:37:00 - [121]
 

Originally by: Sheriff Jones
You want more female players in EVE?

The answer is simple.

Step 1: Ambulation.
Step 2: Introduce decorating.

It MAY sound sexist or whatever thing you want to call it, but the MAJOR element in SW:G and female playerbase was that you could get a house, decorate it and by gods, was it fun.

HEck, they even had a Decorating competition monthly if i remember correctly.

And it's not "bad for EVE", if anything else, it would make the space pewpew more manly, dangerous, out there and "living it up".


Yet, most of the girls who I have shown Eve have never asked about either of those things.

Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
Posted - 2007.11.19 21:01:00 - [122]
 

Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 19/11/2007 21:00:56
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Yet, most of the girls who I have shown Eve have never asked about either of those things.


But, if you mentioned to thoe same girls, while showing EVE, that there's ambulation coming, where you can walk around stations, hang out in bars, decorate your own apartment with cool stuff...well..you get the point.

Women rarely ask things like "well can you do this in the game?", and mostly wait for you to show what you can do. But i could almost bet(dependant on girl entirely), that MOST girls would like those features.

Shakalakahiki
Posted - 2007.11.19 21:07:00 - [123]
 

Edited by: Shakalakahiki on 19/11/2007 21:09:44
Originally by: Val Vympel
The more I read this thread,the more I feel like a "Unicorn" or some other rare mythical creature.Rolling Eyes

No flame intended towards the OP of this thread,if of course your intentions for the thread are simple curiosity and good natured.

A question or two if I may...

What difference does it really make what gender a player is?

A friend is a friend....right?

I don't want to jump to conclusions about anyone's intentions,however it seems in my opinion that the purpose of this thread is a veiled attempt to "expose" women for a purpose I cannot fathom.

ConfusedConfused





I'm not offended by your comment, but it does make me look creepy!

This thread is to serve one purpose: to generate information and ideas on how to increase the population of female eve players.

It's pretty obvious that video games are a male dominated hobby; however, if you've been paying attention to Nintendo, you'll notice things are changing. Markets are becoming saturated and games are becoming repetitive. What nintendy is doing, is creating something that is appealing to old video game junkies, part time players and people who don't play video games.

Now before anyone chews my head off with "the wii blows goats compared to 360's !337 grafix!1!1!one!!!1! eleven", try to take a look at the similiarities between even and the Wii/DS.

In eve, the developers have given a wide range of choices and try not to force the players into anything. This parallels with wii because Nintendo is creating a wide variety of games for many different people. In eve you can be a miner, trader, corporate head-honcho, a pirate, a bounty hunter etc etc. In short, it appeals to a wide variety of game styles and preferences.

Although much work has been put in to eve to create a sandbox, open ended game, the lack of a female audience is quite apparent. You might argue that it's video games or MMORPG's that don't appeal, which is definitly partlyt he cause, yet it is not entirely the reason. Look at WOW for example, (don't worry, I do not want Eve to become a WOW), when I played for the month or so that I played, I noticed far more females there than on Eve.

That was probably the only thing that I liked more on WOW than Eve (everything else on eve is just better). So my intent, I assure you, is only to bring up interesting ideas to develope Eve further more into the sandbox style game that it is, by catering more to the female population.

There are some wonderful female-oriented games (if you can call them that) such as "The Sims". I think if some of the detailes of "The Sims" were implemented into this game, it would develop into a more robust, wider appealing, sandbox style game that more people would enjoy. Beyond that, the people that alreay play or played Eve could expand their activities into other realsm (Inter-galactic casino tournaments, outer-realm monster collecting, costume design and manufacturing etc etc)



Apocryphon
Minmatar
InterSun Freelance
The Forsaken.
Posted - 2007.11.19 21:48:00 - [124]
 

http://eve.enviroweb.org/

Plenty of women in Eve Online, check their site. ugh

Illyrinia
Caldari
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.11.19 21:54:00 - [125]
 

Originally by: Apocryphon
http://eve.enviroweb.org/

Plenty of women in Eve Online, check their site. ugh


lol thats um... awkward

Val Vympel
Caldari
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2007.11.19 21:58:00 - [126]
 

Originally by: Shakalakahiki
Edited by: Shakalakahiki on 19/11/2007 21:09:44I'm not offended by your comment, but it does make me look creepy!

This thread is to serve one purpose: to generate information and ideas on how to increase the population of female eve players.


Sorry,I did not want you to feel creepy.ugh

Thank you for responding and for the clarification of your topic.Smile I understand now.

In appreciation,and to honor the intent of your thread I have been trying to think of ways that EVE could appeal to and sign-up more women. Unfortunatly,I'm at a loss for a specific idea.

In general,it is my belief that EVE could benefit from better marketing. That may seem odd considering the game is more than four years old,however McDonalds,Coca-Cola etc. spend 10's of millions or more every year to keep their product name in the forefront.

Believe it or notShocked I discovered this game by accident while checking out game reviews on a Christian video game review website. My first MMO was SWG in 03'...but I never really followed all the new games being developed or in the case of EVE the other games of that time.

If EVE slipped past me...a player semi-immersed for 4 years in the MMO community..I think that may signal a need for better marketing.

For what it is worth...Smile

Wink


An Anarchyyt
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.11.19 22:08:00 - [127]
 

Originally by: Val Vympel
spend 10's of millions or more every year to keep their product name in the forefront.


Replace the M with a B and you're much closer to the target. All those companies also have vastly more resources than CCP.

Kalahari Wayrest
Posted - 2007.11.19 22:19:00 - [128]
 

Edited by: Kalahari Wayrest on 19/11/2007 22:20:47
...There's a bit of a fault to this line of questioning.

The idea that there are specific things that could be done to 'attract females' just makes so many assumptions, the main being that there is a one ideal you have of 'female players' that you form in your head initially before you think of things which might appeal to the imaginary 'her'.

Which is balls.

Turn the question around and you can see how silly it is.

What could you do to a game to get men to play it?

Now look at eve and consider how diverse it is, given your arguement assumes that by needing to attract females, it currently only attracts men (or is designed in that way) there is a plethora of different play styles at work - eve is dynamic and diverse and able to suit different types of players. I'd be unable to break it down really, given peoples 'roles' tend to overlap, but the game play is very varied and allows both peace and pewpew, cooperation and competiton, and all the space inbetween.

As such, there's no one idealized 'man' who plays eve, and the different roles players undertake are often competing and conflicting.

So why are you assuming theres one idealized 'female' who could be appealed to?
Any attempts to 'target' females like this, and simplify them into one characteristic of 'femininity' (some great examples in this thread, females like decorating, the sims, nintendogs...) is misguided and patronising.

Leave eve the way it is. The players who like it will play it, the ones who don't won't.
As for less women playing games than men, society I think, needs to change before that stigma is lost rather than the games attempting to feminize them to make women playing games more socially acceptable.

edit: the short version is, my problem with your question isn't that you aren't treating women the same as men, it's that you're suggesting all women are the same.

Rydis
Minmatar
Amok.
Posted - 2007.11.19 22:32:00 - [129]
 

Finally. A good response. My boyfriend tried getting me to eve for months before I finally relented to just try the trial. I said there was no way I would like something like Eve.

I really like Eve. Very Happy

Dr Paithos
Minmatar
Republic Deep Space Institute
Posted - 2007.11.19 23:11:00 - [130]
 

Edited by: Dr Paithos on 19/11/2007 23:12:43
Eve will have more women playing when there aren't ******ed threads like this made every week

Seriously if girls wanted to hang out with a load of acne-ridden guys with aspergers they'd go volunteer to work with the disabled

The number one thing you could all do to "attract girls to eve lol" is to shut the hell up

Ancy Denaries
Posted - 2007.11.20 13:17:00 - [131]
 

Originally by: Dr Paithos
Edited by: Dr Paithos on 19/11/2007 23:12:43
Eve will have more women playing when there aren't ******ed threads like this made every week

Seriously if girls wanted to hang out with a load of acne-ridden guys with aspergers they'd go volunteer to work with the disabled

The number one thing you could all do to "attract girls to eve lol" is to shut the hell up


I take offence in you stating that aspergers is a grave disability, and I also dislike the tone in which you use it. My girlfriend is a so called aspergers, and I happen to love her still. There's nothing bad with it once you can handle it.

ShardowRhino
Caldari
Torque Theory
Posted - 2007.11.20 14:19:00 - [132]
 

Originally by: Val Vympel
Originally by: Leora Nomen

For one thing it stops people from refering to you as 'he' all the time. Even if you play a female character they still do it. If you are a guy and play a male character and your friends in game would refer to you as 'she' all the time i'm sure you'd tell them that you're a 'he' in fact without trying to advertise anything.



I gently correct any player that assumes that I am a gender other than what my portrait displays. It doesn't bother me when it happens.Smile

I am particularly fond of being called "dude"Laughing
I usually ask that the player interject "ette" as a suffix next time.

"Hey Bro" is another favorite.Laughing

I prefer not to know the "true" gender of player.If I know and it is different from what their portrait displays I still tend to address them according to what I see in their portrait anyway.ugh

I would like to commend the male population of EVE.
I have played for 6 months and have never been disrespected because of my gender or had to deal with anything vulgar or sexually innappropriate.Very Happy

Thanks "GUYS"Laughing




we..apparently haven't met :)

ShardowRhino
Caldari
Torque Theory
Posted - 2007.11.20 14:22:00 - [133]
 

Originally by: Illyrinia
Originally by: Apocryphon
http://eve.enviroweb.org/

Plenty of women in Eve Online, check their site. ugh


lol thats um... awkward



can we say Fem****s?Evil or Very Mad

Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
Posted - 2007.11.20 14:23:00 - [134]
 

Originally by: ShardowRhino
we..apparently haven't met :)


I was just thinking that i'm so ashamed of our "male" population...6 months and NO sexual innuendo? What gives! Laughing

Rydis
Minmatar
Amok.
Posted - 2007.11.20 14:30:00 - [135]
 

Edited by: Rydis on 20/11/2007 14:33:45
Edited by: Rydis on 20/11/2007 14:33:20


"I would like to commend the male population of EVE.
I have played for 6 months and have never been disrespected because of my gender or had to deal with anything vulgar or sexually innappropriate.Very Happy

Thanks "GUYS"Laughing"


Um. I would feel really weird if the guys I fly with weren't vulgar or sexually inappropriate, because then I'd know they were being different and out of their element because I was there! Surprised I do put my face into my hands a lot but they make me laugh. Very Happy


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