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Bakimi Ghevorchal
Praetoria Holdings
Posted - 2007.11.21 23:30:00 - [91]
 

NOTICE:

Right, I am back again now, have updated Title and have handed out Shares.

Originally by: Potsnack

Right then - now that everyone has had a chance to buy some shares, any chance we can tempt some of the bigger investors to take a punt on this project, to move it forward?

Or am I missing something serious that has you guys all spooked?

I'll certainly bung some more into this to help it along if we can get a couple of major players involved as well (you know who you are) :)

Cheers
Pot


Quite a few went again these past couple of days, however there are still a significant number left. I can confirm 3 Holders have the 1 Billion limit, and a further 2 have 500 Million, so there have been some big investors so far.

Bakimi Ghevorchal
Praetoria Holdings
Posted - 2007.11.21 23:47:00 - [92]
 

Heya, gonna pick this up slightly to answer your points.

Originally by: Treelox
Hi, I'm a big investor, I guess I could possible be someone who could "punt" this.


Firstly there is nothing wrong with the business plan, it seems well thought out. I wish the corp the best of luck.


Thank you, I will be putting a lot of effort into making this successful

Originally by: Treelox
To answer your question. I think there are a few of reasons for the lack of "bigger investors" "punting" this investment.

  • There was an IPO that was put forth with almost the exact same business model, just a few days before this one. That other IPO was secured by a T2 ship BPO, making it "more secure", and thus it was bought into quickly, but the "big investors". Thus those that invested in that "first" IPO, arent likely to be intrested in also investing in this one, and doubling their exposure to loss, if the market and business model ends up failing due to demand, cost, price, or whatever the case maybe.



I agree to the main part, this IPO is slightly different to Synergy, in that I want to stay clear of the invention side of things. The DEV posting as linked by Ricdic worries me, but only slightly.

As for security, I agree fully, I made that clear in the plan, and I think that has been the main reason the shares are taking longer to sell out.

As for investors being reluctant, I do not believe that this would be an adequate reason for them to not go ahead. This will sell out, and an experienced investor would prefer to be in than out, if only to have their fingers in many pies, because the plan is fundamentally different than Synergy.


Originally by: Treelox
  • There is a group of thought amongst some, that Jump Freighter Production will essential be something that only 0.0 allaince will be able to do efficently. Also the belief that the same 0.0 allainces will be most of the demand, so production and demand will be all in house.



They will more than likely still need BPC to be able to get the numbers required, though this is not aimed solely at those, also at normal builders requiring Freighter BPCs.

Originally by: Treelox
  • The belief that there will be a lot of competition in this market, more than there will be demand for, since with current numbers Roquals and some Dreads will be more fuel effiecent haulers. For 0.0 <--> Empire POS logistics, Moon minerals, and T2 Components.



I think, over short or long, CCP will make sure the Jump Freighters are balanced to be more efficient, they will want it to be used as the prime method of transportation in the long run.

Originally by: Treelox
  • Some of the "big investors" are already planing to get into the same market on their own, either privately finaced or self funded.



To generate good returns, it needs to be a very big investment. So I do not believe many of my size will pop up.


I also respect your opinion, and thank you for the input. I don't mean to correct you, simply point a few things out, I think there is a lot of truth in what you have written. However, I would not want someone to miss out on this simply because of perhaps a slight missunderstanding.

EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
Posted - 2007.11.22 00:29:00 - [93]
 

Edited by: EBANK Ricdic on 22/11/2007 00:30:39
Treelox brings up some good points. I was kinda telling you in-game as well it would likely be a drawn out process for your sales or would never sell. There's nothing against your business plan at all, but with the one just before yours with both t2 and freighter bpo securities etc it was always going to be a battle for you.

Through EBANK I had to limit my investment substantially due to the lack of securities or history in this field. I would also normally have thrown 500m of personal funds into this but this whole month is dedicated to repaying C-P-H (which sucks as there are so many IPO's coming out that I want to invest in, most notably guys from my alliance spreading their wings)

But I have spent some time with you in-game and you seem like a decent bloke, but EBANK needs to limit it's investing as above. Probably one of the bigger diversification IPO buyers out here (Ricdic's Hoe) is taking a hiatus on purchases which makes it hard for you to get that 1 mass buyer to start the flood.

Treelox
Posted - 2007.11.22 00:32:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: Bakimi Ghevorchal

I also respect your opinion, and thank you for the input. I don't mean to correct you, simply point a few things out, I think there is a lot of truth in what you have written. However, I would not want someone to miss out on this simply because of perhaps a slight missunderstanding.


No worries, I think its a good thing that you addressed those points, it will help you in the long run.

I really tried to maintain a neutral tone in my post, because like I said some of the reasons given have more merit than others in my personal opinion. I did this in hopes that there wouldnt be any "misunderstanding" from others reading my orginal post at the bottom of page 3.

I was trying to answer Potsnacks, and point out that there was nothing "wrong" with the ipo per se. By giving some generalizations as to why he didnt see the "big investors" actively buying into this corp.

The only reason I am not personally investing is because of one of my own, some would say silly, rules. I avoid Cap Ship based IPO's. I have a few other funny personal rules for investment that others have said are silly, but they work for me. Other such funny rules as; I dont invest in corpmates IPO(can change a friendship dynamic for the worse), I dont invest in account farming IPO(just doesnt rub me right), I dont invest in anything that is ISS related( even before ISSO, I was always disappointed by their lack of shareholder communications).

Best of luck Bakimi with the operations, may the iskie profits raindown upon you and your shareholders. And now, ill try and stay out of your thread and not derail nor confuse the issues further, so as not to cause any potential misunderstandings amoungst the current and potential investor base.


hypec
Minmatar
Fringe Exploration And Salvage Trust
FOUNDATI0N
Posted - 2007.11.22 02:55:00 - [95]
 

300M sent for 300 shares.
Thank you.

Amandrace
Minmatar
DSC inc
Posted - 2007.11.22 06:15:00 - [96]
 

89 million sent for 89 shares

Chris Karl
Melnie Vanagi
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2007.11.22 12:45:00 - [97]
 

100 mil sent for 100 shares

Ryuga VonRhaiden
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.11.22 19:12:00 - [98]
 

130 mil sent for 130 shares :)

Letias
Caldari
Poofdinkles
Posted - 2007.11.22 19:49:00 - [99]
 

I just don't like limitations on investment.

Yaans
Posted - 2007.11.22 21:27:00 - [100]
 

Edited by: Yaans on 22/11/2007 21:30:04
Edited by: Yaans on 22/11/2007 21:29:51
Stupid forum alts, 100m sent via another character for shares anyhow.

Wration
Caldari
GeoTech
Posted - 2007.11.23 00:54:00 - [101]
 

1 Bill sent for 1000 shares.

Thanks

Slasher Arcana
Posted - 2007.11.23 02:13:00 - [102]
 

As an investor, I missed on the vote to work on the initial capital investment or to wait. From the vote replies it was 60+% to go ahead.

Thus far, is there any update on the progress or a schedule of reporting?

Marquedios
Gallente
Ihatalo Research and Development
Ihatalo Cartel
Posted - 2007.11.23 05:23:00 - [103]
 

Sending 1B for 1K shares.

Thanks,
Marque

Bakimi Ghevorchal
Praetoria Holdings
Posted - 2007.11.23 06:27:00 - [104]
 

Edited by: Bakimi Ghevorchal on 23/11/2007 06:34:56
Originally by: Slasher Arcana
As an investor, I missed on the vote to work on the initial capital investment or to wait. From the vote replies it was 60+% to go ahead.

Thus far, is there any update on the progress or a schedule of reporting?


The regular Reports will start when the dividends start, so expect to see one at the start of Jan here in Forums, and more regular on the in-game board.

Regarding the Update, I was away on Business from Monday until Wednesday, so I have purchased the POS plus fuel and have hauled it to its destination, and it gets anchored tomorrow.

Darn it, so early in the morning, should log in before posting.... this venture is now officially SOLD OUT, pending one last transfer, so please do not send any more ISK.

Calgorac
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.11.24 03:39:00 - [105]
 

ttt

Ina Mina
Posted - 2007.11.24 19:16:00 - [106]
 

How will the recent loss of five freighter BPOs affect the business?

Atherin Gaius
Caldari
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.11.24 19:43:00 - [107]
 

loss of 5 freighter BPOs??? WHAT??

Ina Mina
Posted - 2007.11.24 19:59:00 - [108]
 

Suicide gank, I was in local when he got his shuttle killed, and (according to the killer) two prints survived and 3 destroyed.

Erimisha
Minmatar
Posted - 2007.11.24 20:45:00 - [109]
 

. . .

People still move anything worth more than a hundred million ISK in shuttles?!

Ziberious
Gallente
UK Freedom Fighters
Posted - 2007.11.24 23:47:00 - [110]
 

Im not sure if this Information is correct or not. But just in advanced notice dont jump the guns until we have seen proof. I certainly want to see some proof of the destruction of his ship and the BPOs. Killboards mabey?

Zibber

Atherin Gaius
Caldari
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.11.25 04:29:00 - [111]
 

i agree, jumping the gun and starting to yell won't help the situation.

I would like to see a post form the OP regarding this and giving some information.

Including, if it is true how he is going to replace the BPOs and/or pay us all back.

Although if it is true, I truely don't expect we'll hear from him, hopefully he proves me wrong and does talk to us.


Treelox
Posted - 2007.11.25 05:12:00 - [112]
 

Originally by: Atherin Gaius
Although if it is true, I truely don't expect we'll hear from him, hopefully he proves me wrong and does talk to us.




Agreed


Although, if the loss is as someone posted a few up, I could understand if take the OP a day or two out of game to regain his composure.

Shuan Jedai
The Graduates
Brutally Clever Empire
Posted - 2007.11.25 16:22:00 - [113]
 

Found the killboard link for the kill.

here

Treelox
Posted - 2007.11.25 16:29:00 - [114]
 

Originally by: Shuan Jedai
Found the killboard link for the kill.

here



<sigh>

Im not going to get into the whole moving things in a shuttle thing.

What really gets my goat though is having all the eggs in one basket.

Ricdic
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.11.25 17:01:00 - [115]
 

Yeh I really hope for Feyloan's sake that this is a fake. We only have a small amount invested but really to move 10.5 billion isk worth of goods in a 7,000 isk ship with a character that likely has the default 800,000 skill points, WHILST being on autopilot or AFK.

This is why I won't be investing in a lot of the newer corporations. The trust thing I can take the chance with, but I feel these new people aren't valuing the isk as if it were their own. They see it as a windfall and make stupid decisions.

It's like RL where your parents buy you your first car, you don't really respect it until you have had to work your ass off to buy another car yourself.

It really should be the complete opposite with public people. You shouldn't put less effort in because you didn't earn the money. You should put more effort in because other people trusted you with it, and it is their money. Tree is right above as well with the all eggs in one basket thing.

So harcore mistakes:

1) 10.5b worth of blueprints in one ship
2) Ship valued at 8,000 isk
3) Person either on autopilot or AFK. This is known as there is no way someone could scan and attack that shuttle if it had a pilot at the wheel warping to zero. A smartbomb attack sure, but this was a stealth bomber

Anyway, will wait for response but I have already written this off. Very disapointing as I had hoped Feyloan would really shine with his business.

Ramblin Man
Empyreum
Posted - 2007.11.25 17:03:00 - [116]
 

Wow.

Is there confirmation they weren't BPCs though?

Bakimi Ghevorchal
Praetoria Holdings
Posted - 2007.11.25 17:27:00 - [117]
 

I was wanting to wait until at least tomorrow to post something, but I do at least owe that to everyone.

I would ask people to not speculate about circumstance for now, and as Treelox so rightly posted, I think I need a day or two for composure's sake, and to think how I will salvage this.

Treelox
Posted - 2007.11.25 17:38:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: Bakimi Ghevorchal
I was wanting to wait until at least tomorrow to post something, but I do at least owe that to everyone.

I would ask people to not speculate about circumstance for now, and as Treelox so rightly posted, I think I need a day or two for composure's sake, and to think how I will salvage this.


Thank you for acknowledging there is an issue, and I understand your need to take a day or 2 to focus your thoughts as to a course of action.

Just dont let that time of meditation extend to long or the pitchforks will be sharpened and the torches handed out. That is not a threat, just an observation based on previous events in this forum.

Shadarle
Posted - 2007.11.25 17:43:00 - [119]
 

A shuttle Shocked

Ishina Fel
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2007.11.25 17:45:00 - [120]
 

*begins to sharpen a pitchfork or three either way* Confused


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