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Admiral Goatse
Posted - 2007.11.08 19:25:00 - [1]
 

Hi Guys! One of the things I like about EVE (just started) are its huge environments, I mean one solar system can be a hundred or more AU wide, which is a lot of ground for people to try and cover when fighting/mining/doing missions/exploring in general. Right now I’ve been trying mining (I choose the mining career so I’m not good at fighting) but I’ve been on the forums some and have an idea for you guys.

Space is really big and cool, especially the massive nebulas in the background, but it still seems a bit too empty and cold…really cold in fact (from the fan fiction and chronicles)! I’ve heard people talk about “tactical environments” before and I have a suggestion that has to do with them.

TACTICAL ENVIRONMENTS – COLD SPACE
Well we all hear about space being cold and stuff, but none of this ever actually effects us unless we get thrown out of an airlock, right? I think that this should change...specifically, that the areas of space near stars should be warmer than the areas of space far awat from stars. Why do you ask?
Well, cold water negatively affected the Titanic by making its steel armor less effective – why shuldn’t we do the same thing for EVE? This outer space that’s far away from the stars should be so cold that it actually damages ships armor and hull (sorry Caldari, but there are way too many of you anyway). That way it gives people something to think about when you’re just warping around and going from place to place. But obviously there should be some way to effect it if it’s in the game, right?

BOOSTING AMARR
We all know that Amarr use lasers but they aren’t very good because they use a lot of cap and do too much EM damage. Well theres another way that these weapons could be used…lasers (thermal damage + radiation) could be used to warm up space and make it less hazardous.

WARMING SPACE
Amarrs could use their lasers to warm space! Think of it as mining except without getting ore at the end of the cycle, but making it so colder space warms up and has less of a chance to harm ships traveling through it. Even if lasers aren’t good for PvP they can be useful, and in big battles lasers can be used to make space warmer for a friendly fleet so the enemy fleet gets damaged more by the coldness of space. They could do the same thing in empire and charge people to travel through the space they’ve warmed in advance for travelers.

LASER BOMBS
Amarrs could also have special “laser bombs” that would have the same warming effect for all the space around them, and at the same time make lasers more effective (warmer space = more thermal damage on lasers right?). It could be used just like the bombs on stealth bombers are used now.

What do you think about these ideas?

WarlockX
Amarr
Free Trade Corp
Posted - 2007.11.08 19:31:00 - [2]
 

lol

Thurisaz Prizma
Amarr
Stronghold of Agony
Posted - 2007.11.08 19:35:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: WarlockX
lol

Stakhanov
Metafarmers
MeatSausage EXPRESS
Posted - 2007.11.08 19:37:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Thurisaz Prizma
Originally by: WarlockX
lol


Ishina Fel
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2007.11.08 19:37:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Stakhanov
Originally by: Thurisaz Prizma
Originally by: WarlockX
lol



Tarminic
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2007.11.08 19:40:00 - [6]
 

The OP has some fascinating ideas.

Gone'Postal
Roast and Toast Inc.
Posted - 2007.11.08 19:44:00 - [7]
 

Since your new, welcome to eve... The player base is erm.. harsh sometimes.

That said your idea's are rather...

lol.

Please don't take the lol's as personal attacks.. there not.

Valrandir
Gallente
Distant Thunder
Perihelion Alliance
Posted - 2007.11.08 19:56:00 - [8]
 

lol

hermot
Amarr
Serco Group PLC
Posted - 2007.11.08 19:58:00 - [9]
 

Let me get this straight, already amarr are the underdog race in eve. Needing LOTS of skills and SPs to become proficient in combat, and YOU want to demote them to being warmers of space!!!

Freaking amarr - we are the space radiators...

You must be some sort of caldari virus or something

sapanda1102222
Posted - 2007.11.08 20:06:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: hermot
Let me get this straight, already amarr are the underdog race in eve. Needing LOTS of skills and SPs to become proficient in combat, and YOU want to demote them to being warmers of space!!!

Freaking amarr - we are the space radiators...

You must be some sort of caldari virus or something



This made me lol more than the OP.

martin louis
Posted - 2007.11.08 20:10:00 - [11]
 

lol

Aki Corrino
Posted - 2007.11.08 20:13:00 - [12]
 

Dude, your name ...

Theron Jolar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2007.11.08 20:18:00 - [13]
 

Let me be the first to tell you why this is a dumb idea.

Space isnt cold, just as it isnt warm, there is simply a lack of matter and since temperature is the movement of molecules and atoms around their own axis there is no temperature. For this reason you cant warm space unless you pour an atmosphere in there first, which is impossible due to the same vacuum.

Space closer to a star isnt warmer either, the only reason something gets warmer when it gets closer to the a star is radiation hitting matter and creating thermal energy.

All in all this idea is interesting but based on a poor understanding of space and vacuum.

Valator Uel
Caldari
Mercenaries of Andosia
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2007.11.08 20:24:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Theron Jolar
Let me be the first to tell you why this is a dumb idea.

Space isnt cold, just as it isnt warm, there is simply a lack of matter and since temperature is the movement of molecules and atoms around their own axis there is no temperature. For this reason you cant warm space unless you pour an atmosphere in there first, which is impossible due to the same vacuum.

Space closer to a star isnt warmer either, the only reason something gets warmer when it gets closer to the a star is radiation hitting matter and creating thermal energy.

All in all this idea is interesting but based on a poor understanding of space and vacuum.


And since when is EVE realistic?

Hannobaal
Gallente
Punic Corp.
Posted - 2007.11.08 20:33:00 - [15]
 

First of all: lol

Secondly: As was already posted, you can't warm vacuum. There is nothing there to warm up in the first place.

Masheine
Posted - 2007.11.08 20:35:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Theron Jolar
accurate view of space stuff


Exactly.

I was so looking forward to the "heat" stuff until I heard what it actually was. Can you imagine if the game had bee setup to treat heat realistically? Do too much work, activate too many modules, and you need to dump heat, making you much easier to lock and track. Turn everything off, and emit almost no heat, and be hard to lock and track. Heat sink modules that were actually heat sinks, and not just laser damage mods.

It could have been cool. Oh, well.

Ayane Shardmoor
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
Posted - 2007.11.08 20:40:00 - [17]
 

I... um... what?

Seems to me that would be an incredibly irritating feature.

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2007.11.08 20:41:00 - [18]
 

It's called a smartbomb Very Happy

Terail Zoqial
Caldari
Posted - 2007.11.08 20:46:00 - [19]
 

I would like this chance to say "WTF!" and "LOLZ?"

Thank you

Haradgrim
Systematic Mercantilism
Posted - 2007.11.08 21:04:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Haradgrim on 08/11/2007 21:05:18
Edited by: Haradgrim on 08/11/2007 21:04:56
Originally by: Theron Jolar
Let me be the first to tell you why this is a dumb idea.

Space isnt cold, just as it isnt warm, there is simply a lack of matter and since temperature is the movement of molecules and atoms around their own axis there is no temperature. For this reason you cant warm space unless you pour an atmosphere in there first, which is impossible due to the same vacuum.

Space closer to a star isnt warmer either, the only reason something gets warmer when it gets closer to the a star is radiation hitting matter and creating thermal energy.

All in all this idea is interesting but based on a poor understanding of space and vacuum.


Thats not entirely accurate, while your right space cannot be warmed, it can absorb the energy from a warm object..... as such it is almost a limitless heat-sink, however, light and other similar forms of radiation are very efficient at warming in a vaccum.


Edit; forgot the obligatory: LOLZ NOOBZ LOLZ ZOMG LOLZ NOOBS LOLZ!

Theron Jolar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2007.11.08 21:20:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Haradgrim
Edited by: Haradgrim on 08/11/2007 21:05:18
Edited by: Haradgrim on 08/11/2007 21:04:56
Originally by: Theron Jolar
Let me be the first to tell you why this is a dumb idea.

Space isnt cold, just as it isnt warm, there is simply a lack of matter and since temperature is the movement of molecules and atoms around their own axis there is no temperature. For this reason you cant warm space unless you pour an atmosphere in there first, which is impossible due to the same vacuum.

Space closer to a star isnt warmer either, the only reason something gets warmer when it gets closer to the a star is radiation hitting matter and creating thermal energy.

All in all this idea is interesting but based on a poor understanding of space and vacuum.


Thats not entirely accurate, while your right space cannot be warmed, it can absorb the energy from a warm object..... as such it is almost a limitless heat-sink, however, light and other similar forms of radiation are very efficient at warming in a vaccum.


Edit; forgot the obligatory: LOLZ NOOBZ LOLZ ZOMG LOLZ NOOBS LOLZ!


Space is a very very poor heatsink, thermal energy dosnt transfer well between matter and vacuum, it will certainly bleed off, but a warm object thrown into a vacuum wont freeze instantly or anywhere close to it, it will take a good deal of time for the thermal energy to bleed into the vacuum.

Space dosnt absorb the energy either, the energy will radiate out from the source until the hit something else which it will in turn heat up.

Also, if you read my post you will see I do already mention the fact that radiation can heat objects in space.

It is irrelevant though and I dont see where in my post you see me claiming thermal energy wont bleed into space.

I am going to suggest you reread my post and I am certain you will find that I never claimed anything of what you want to correct me for.

Cpt Fina
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation
space weaponry and trade
Posted - 2007.11.08 21:21:00 - [22]
 

Except for not being very realistic I think this idea is kinda cool.
I would love tactical enviroments and tactical fleetformations.

Hannobaal
Gallente
Punic Corp.
Posted - 2007.11.08 21:26:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Haradgrim
Thats not entirely accurate, while your right space cannot be warmed, it can absorb the energy from a warm object..... as such it is almost a limitless heat-sink, however, light and other similar forms of radiation are very efficient at warming in a vaccum.


That's not really true. The only way you can lose heat in space is by it radiating away, and that's the least efficient way of losing heat. Things do not cool as easily in space as they do in an atmosphere.

And in either case, space itself can't be heated, because (again) there is nothing there to heat.

Faye Valerii
Caldari
Exeunt Omnes
Posted - 2007.11.08 21:35:00 - [24]
 

good thing for you you posted this on an alt : )

Splagada
Minmatar
Tides of Silence
Posted - 2007.11.08 21:42:00 - [25]
 

good ol weed

Baleur
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.11.08 21:52:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Baleur on 08/11/2007 21:52:43
Originally by: Admiral Goatse

TACTICAL ENVIRONMENTS – COLD SPACE
Well we all hear about space being cold and stuff, but none of this ever actually effects us unless we get thrown out of an airlock, right? I think that this should change...specifically, that the areas of space near stars should be warmer than the areas of space far awat from stars. Why do you ask?
Well, cold water negatively affected the Titanic by making its steel armor less effective – why shuldn’t we do the same thing for EVE? This outer space that’s far away from the stars should be so cold that it actually damages ships armor and hull (sorry Caldari, but there are way too many of you anyway). That way it gives people something to think about when you’re just warping around and going from place to place. But obviously there should be some way to effect it if it’s in the game, right?



We sent out the Voyager probe ages ago.. And its leaving our solar system now. Its hull isnt gonna break because its too cold lol.
So why would a starship built by human decendants 3000 years more advanced be less durable than the tiny Voyager? Answer me that :)

Splagada
Minmatar
Tides of Silence
Posted - 2007.11.08 21:53:00 - [27]
 

in one of those states, a friend of mine explained me about how the purple paint on the neighbours wall were so freaking awesome.

for about 2 hours. then i left him alone, and i think he kept talking for several hours after

LastTraitorStanding
Amarr
The Imperial Assassins
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2007.11.08 21:57:00 - [28]
 

Dude.... what?

Naervic
Gallente
Integrity.
Posted - 2007.11.08 21:59:00 - [29]
 

Wow... Just wow... Thats pretty... out there. Laughing

Admiral Goatse
Posted - 2007.11.08 22:27:00 - [30]
 

Not alot of support for this I see. Hmm.


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