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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2007.10.28 17:53:00 - [1]
 

I know you're trying to score TD's and FG's. But what's up with the 3rd & 10 and all that? And 'punt'?

Asilah Na'kani
The Scope
Posted - 2007.10.28 17:54:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Asilah Na''kani on 28/10/2007 17:54:58
Tried this yet?

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2007.10.28 18:00:00 - [3]
 

Yeah but I was hoping to get it explained by a fellow pilot with a little less text tbh... Laughing

lofty29
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.10.28 18:03:00 - [4]
 

Rugby with Body Armor.

Both are boring as hell Laughing

Mitch Manus
The Scope
Posted - 2007.10.28 18:09:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: lofty29
Rugby with Body Armor.

Both are boring as hell Laughing


lies! Dump tackling some1 is so much fun Twisted Evil Rugby 4tw

lofty29
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.10.28 18:11:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Mitch Manus
Originally by: lofty29
Rugby with Body Armor.

Both are boring as hell Laughing


lies! Dump tackling some1 is so much fun Twisted Evil Rugby 4tw
That's great for when you're watching it on TV Rolling Eyes

I sux at sports anyway, maybe I just have a vendetta against them.

Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.10.28 18:21:00 - [7]
 

Rugby is fun, and American football would be just as fun if it weren't for the "play for 2 minutes, break for 5" thing. It drags a game that could be done and dusted in an hour and a half in to an activity you need to dedicate a whole afternoon to...

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2007.10.28 18:23:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: MotherMoon on 28/10/2007 18:25:43
well it's like this....

you got a foot ball, and you got a field.

you mark two areas as goals.

you get on teams of 5, or 6, whatever, and you have one side as offense and one side as defense.

then the offensive teams counts down and throws the ball to the quarterback.

The Quarter back can throw the ball to someone or hand it off for a run.
the offensive team has 4 "downs" or tries to get a goal or make a 1st "down" (get 4 more "downs" tries if you complete something)
The defense has people cover the guys that could be passed too.
one person can count down to 3 Mississippi, and then try to tackle the quarterback, ending the "down" turn.
Or he can call blitz one per 4 downs, and go right for the quaterback without waiting.
play resumes where the last person to hold the ball before being tackled into the ground was.

If the offense make two successful passes you get a 1st down, and get to try 4 more times to get across the field!
If you don't make a 1st down or get to the goal in your 4 tries the ball goes to the other team, and they try to get to the other side of the field.

Whenever someone has the ball you have to tackle them to stop them.
then both teams set up at the point where the payer was taken down ad countdown for the next down, or try again.


or at least that's how you play on the playground :P

Kaemonn


ISD YARR
Posted - 2007.10.28 18:23:00 - [9]
 

TD = Touch down- running/passing the ball into the zone - 6pts
Extra points - Kicking the ball between the goal posts 1pt/ running the ball in 2 pts (only done after a TD)
FG = Field goal- Kicking the ball between the goal posts 3pts

3rd & 10 its the 3rd down with 10 yards to get the next first down mark

Punt- you have the choice on the 4th down to punt or "go for it" if you punt, you drop kick the ball as far as you can do the other team. If you go for it you use your down and try to get the first down. If you dont get it you give the ball to the other team where ever you got tackled.

First down- you have 4 more plays to get the ball as far as you can.

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2007.10.28 18:24:00 - [10]
 

punt, right, ok you have one try left to get to the goal, and your 90 yards away, you don't think you can make a down and get 4 more tries, and you know you can't make a touchdown.

so you can punt in.

punt us where you kick the ball down the field to the other team, the father you kick it, the father they have to get back to the goal area they are going for.


Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.10.28 18:45:00 - [11]
 


Avery Fatwallet
Posted - 2007.10.28 19:00:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Patch86
Rugby is fun, and American football would be just as fun if it weren't for the "play for 2 minutes, break for 5" thing. It drags a game that could be done and dusted in an hour and a half in to an activity you need to dedicate a whole afternoon to...


crazy americans do that to all their sports, heck knows whats gotten into them.

tactics is fine and all, but wasting perfectly fine sports beyond recognition is not okay. seriously, have you tried watching basketball lately? its like a sports stroboscope.. on off on off

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2007.10.28 19:35:00 - [13]
 

Thanks MotherMoon and Kaemonn, I think I understand the play a litte better now.

So in order to get 4 more "tries" you need to make two successfull passes and/or get the required distance, eg 3rd & 10 -> 10 yard run to get another 4 tries?

Frezik
Basically Outdated Stereo Equiptment
Posted - 2007.10.28 19:53:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Avery Fatwallet
Originally by: Patch86
Rugby is fun, and American football would be just as fun if it weren't for the "play for 2 minutes, break for 5" thing. It drags a game that could be done and dusted in an hour and a half in to an activity you need to dedicate a whole afternoon to...


crazy americans do that to all their sports, heck knows whats gotten into them.

tactics is fine and all, but wasting perfectly fine sports beyond recognition is not okay. seriously, have you tried watching basketball lately? its like a sports stroboscope.. on off on off


Ever try watching baseball? It goes 'on' and 'off', too, except without the 'on' part.

Jay Daed
Posted - 2007.10.28 19:59:00 - [15]
 


Pro American football is played with pads yea, but its still rough as hell.
Non pro football, that everyday people play in their backyards never use pads, so how is that 'weaker' than rugby.
If anything its rougher when played without pads due to football guarding and blocking regulations are a lot looser than rugby.

Dei
Amarr
Mamaleek
Posted - 2007.10.28 20:12:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Jay Daed

Pro American football is played with pads yea, but its still rough as hell.
Non pro football, that everyday people play in their backyards never use pads, so how is that 'weaker' than rugby.
If anything its rougher when played without pads due to football guarding and blocking regulations are a lot looser than rugby.


It's only really rough because they have helmets which act like blinkers so when someone is steaming into them, they haven't got a clue so they fall over like a sack of ****.

The American Football games are alright, would be better if they got on with it though. Razz

Kata Dakini
Amarr
Flatiron Academy
Posted - 2007.10.28 20:16:00 - [17]
 

Chribba, he was talking about playground rules. It's funny, I have no idea where he's from, but those playground rules are always what I've played too (and how I play with my students in PE).

The real rules go as such:

1st and 10 - Your first attempt at moving the ball to gain 10 yards
2nd and 5 - You got five yards, five left to go
3rd and 1 - Four more, one to go
4th and 3 - Nice catch Blanco Nino, too bad your ass got saaaaaaacked.

Now you punt, or if in rage of your placekicker, you go for a field goal.
On occasion, you might NEED that next first down (losing at end of game), or you might feel confident enough to go for it. If you go for it and don't get a first down, the other team "takes over on downs".

You can march down the field as long as you want, but you need to keep picking up first downs.

Once you get inside the 10 yard line, it becomes "1st and goal", meaning that there are no more first downs to get, you must score.

------------

Baseball, on the other hand, is meant to be enjoyed much more passively than faster sports. It's meant to be listened to on the radio, lounging on your patio on Sunday afternoon in the summer while enjoying an icebox full of beer and a grill full of questionable sausage products.

I tend to believe it's like a symphony. In all my years of watching sports, the greatest baseball games are ridiculously memorable. That's what you watch for. The best games end with a crescendo that leaves you dizzy. Like many sports, there are a lot of blowout games, but these guys also play nearly every single day for six months. 162 games is a long season, and throughout that there are so many interesting stories and bright spots and things that have never been done before, and things that have only been done by legends.

It's a game of history and tradition (ideally). Now while I don't know much about EPL and Rugby Union "lore", for me, there is no other sport that has ever existed that can even come close to contending with the lore of baseball.

If you want to know why baseball is a loved game, watch these movies:

Field of Dreams
Bull Durham
Eight Men Out
The Natural
(and of course) Major League

pwnedgato
Posted - 2007.10.28 20:28:00 - [18]
 

For people who complain about the frequent stops it is so it can be broadcast for free here in the States (most games are broadcast on local channels that anyone can get). Also Frequent stopping is more difficult on the body, just go try it. Go outside run 5 yards (meters) then dive to the ground walk back to where you started and repeat 4+ times. Then just try running 20 meters (yards) which is tougher?

Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.10.28 20:34:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: pwnedgato
For people who complain about the frequent stops it is so it can be broadcast for free here in the States (most games are broadcast on local channels that anyone can get). Also Frequent stopping is more difficult on the body, just go try it. Go outside run 5 yards (meters) then dive to the ground walk back to where you started and repeat 4+ times. Then just try running 20 meters (yards) which is tougher?


I'm not making any judgement on which way is tougher on the players, only on what is more fun to watch. I can watch a Rugby game in the UK (for free, on the BBC or ITV) and it takes about an hour and a half, and is basically 40 minutes of non-stop action, 15 minute break, then another 40 minutes of non-stop action.

To me, American football is a slower, longer, more ponderous game with no real flow to it. It's just not my cup of tea.

pwnedgato
Posted - 2007.10.28 20:40:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: pwnedgato on 28/10/2007 20:41:15
I don't know many people who actually watch entire games usually we just turn it on and go about doing other stuff occasionally pointing out a good play or 2.
P.S Football (american) is breeding superhumans!100 kilo men with the agility of a dancer!

oDDiTy V2
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.10.28 20:41:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Kata Dakini
4th and 3 - Nice catch Blanco Nino, too bad your ass got saaaaaaacked.


G.I. JOOOOOOEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Rialtor
Amarr
Yarrrateers
Posted - 2007.10.28 20:53:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Chribba
Thanks MotherMoon and Kaemonn, I think I understand the play a litte better now.

So in order to get 4 more "tries" you need to make two successfull passes and/or get the required distance, eg 3rd & 10 -> 10 yard run to get another 4 tries?


The default starting position is 1st and 10 yards. You have 4 plays to get that ball 10 yards or more, through running or passing plays. It's not 2 successful passes, one will suffice if it clears the 1st down marker, same with running plays. Every 1st down you achieve renews the down count to 1st down. Until you reach the goal line, then it's 1st and goal, 2nd and goal, and so on.

But if you fail the fourth you turn the ball over at the spot on the field. That's why it's usually used to punt or field goal (kicking it through the uprights at any point on the field, 3 points). It may seem odd at 1st to see them punt/fieldgoal at 4th and inches, but it's a very tactical game.

Remember you can lose yards via a Sack (Tackling the QB with the ball in his hands behind the line of scrimage (The point at which your team started)), or a runner gets tackled behind your line of scrimage . You can also lose Yards via a penalty, offsides, false start, etc.

Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.10.28 21:06:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: pwnedgato
For people who complain about the frequent stops it is so it can be broadcast for free here in the States (most games are broadcast on local channels that anyone can get). Also Frequent stopping is more difficult on the body, just go try it. Go outside run 5 yards (meters) then dive to the ground walk back to where you started and repeat 4+ times. Then just try running 20 meters (yards) which is tougher?


I'm not making any judgement on which way is tougher on the players, only on what is more fun to watch. I can watch a Rugby game in the UK (for free, on the BBC or ITV) and it takes about an hour and a half, and is basically 40 minutes of non-stop action, 15 minute break, then another 40 minutes of non-stop action.

To me, American football is a slower, longer, more ponderous game with no real flow to it. It's just not my cup of tea.


Yeah but with American footbal you get halftime shows where men grab their crotches like they have a major case of crabs and 40 year old women flash their breasts at the tv!

Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Emminent Terraforming
O.G.-Alliance
Posted - 2007.10.28 21:42:00 - [24]
 

our games take so long because there is so much money involved that we need 2.5hrs of ads to pay for it all. these players in our pro sports here make more in a year then some will make in a lifetime.

to give an idea of the money involved in US sport. this is the Baseball list...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_teams_by_payroll

Quote:
1 New York Yankees $195,229,045
2 Boston Red Sox $143,123,714
3 New York Mets $116,115,819
4 Chicago White Sox $109,290,167
5 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $109,251,333
6 Los Angeles Dodgers $108,704,524
7 Seattle Mariners $106,516,833
8 Chicago Cubs $99,936,999
9 Detroit Tigers $95,180,369
10 Baltimore Orioles $95,107,808
11 San Francisco Giants $90,469,056
12 St. Louis Cardinals $90,286,823
13 Atlanta Braves $89,492,685
14 Philadelphia Phillies $89,368,213
15 Houston Astros $87,759,500
16 Oakland Athletics $79,938,369
17 Toronto Blue Jays $79,925,600
18 Milwaukee Brewers $77,986,500
19 Minnesota Twins $71,439,500
20 Cincinnati Reds $69,654,980
21 Texas Rangers $68,818,675
22 Kansas City Royals $67,366,500
23 Cleveland Indians $61,289,667
24 San Diego Padres $58,235,567
25 Colorado Rockies $54,424,000
26 Arizona Diamondbacks $52,067,546
27 Pittsburgh Pirates $38,604,500
28 Washington Nationals $37,347,500
29 Florida Marlins $30,507,000
30 Tampa Bay Devil Rays $24,124,200


Mtthias Clemi
Gallente
The Space Bastards
Posted - 2007.10.28 22:09:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Mtthias Clemi on 28/10/2007 22:21:33
Well, as far as money goes, we are almost there.

Quote:
For the past few seasons, the Premier League's gross revenue (1.4bn) has been the fourth highest for any sports league worldwide, behind the annual revenues of the three most popular North American major sports leagues (the National Football League, Major League Baseball and the National Basketball Association), but slightly ahead of the National Hockey League.



Nice to know!!!

Quote:
The new TV deal is expected to give the Premier League total revenue comparable to that of the NBA. However, considering that the Premier League has only 20 clubs (compared to 32 in the NFL and 30 in the other major North American leagues), at roughly US$185 million, the Premier League's average annual per-team revenues are expected to fall only slightly behind the NFL's, which has an average per-team annual revenue of over US$190 million. [1]


Even better

Edit.

Quote:
It is the world's most watched sporting league, and the most lucrative football league

Gladiator Jonny
Gallente
Invicta.
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2007.10.28 22:34:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: lofty29
Rugby with Body Armor.
Laughing


i find rugby fun. never played american football.

what annoys me is on ts where people will say
"im of to watch football"
i say
"whos playin?"
they say some american football teams.

im serious, theirs only 1 football. THE BEAUTIFUL GAME!

Mr Friendly
The Lost and The Damned
Posted - 2007.10.28 22:52:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Kata Dakini


Baseball, on the other hand, is meant to be enjoyed much more passively than faster sports. It's meant to be listened to on the radio, lounging on your patio on Sunday afternoon in the summer while enjoying an icebox full of beer and a grill full of questionable sausage products.




I really like that perspective, actually. I guess a lot of us forget the games sprang up long before tv invaded our lives and we started moving at the speed of sound (with an attention span to match).


Devoras2
Amarr
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
Posted - 2007.10.28 23:03:00 - [28]
 

God, american fotball sounds boooring and so stressing.
And tbfh it shouldnt be called football, since most of the time they carry the ball in the their hands!


pwnedgato
Posted - 2007.10.28 23:11:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Devoras2
God, american fotball sounds boooring and so stressing.
And tbfh it shouldnt be called football, since most of the time they carry the ball in the their hands!



I think this has been explained when it was first created many (most?) games were played on horseback, but since football was on foot they called it football.

Also I think part of the reason soccer is less popular here in the states is that in the youth leagues (where it is most prevalent) a "lets all just have fun" attitude is prevalent,and not to mention the whole mini-van soccer mom thing.

Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Emminent Terraforming
O.G.-Alliance
Posted - 2007.10.28 23:33:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Mr Friendly
Originally by: Kata Dakini


Baseball, on the other hand, is meant to be enjoyed much more passively than faster sports. It's meant to be listened to on the radio, lounging on your patio on Sunday afternoon in the summer while enjoying an icebox full of beer and a grill full of questionable sausage products.




I really like that perspective, actually. I guess a lot of us forget the games sprang up long before tv invaded our lives and we started moving at the speed of sound (with an attention span to match).




radio is atleast imo the best way to hear the sports, before the ****ty FCC time delay(post wardrobe malfuction sportscasting) you could put the game on TV and then turn on the radio and infact get a better play by play then the TV goons.


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