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LoxyRider
Posted - 2007.10.27 11:15:00 - [1]
 

Eve Tv Episode 18 is now available here!

This week our newly recruited News Clones impress us immediately submitting stories covering all areas and aspects of Eve this week. If your interested in becoming a News Clone check out our Dev blog here.


  • Stavros, IRC guru and Eve Tv Pvp Tournament Expert joins us in the studio this week!

  • The Wyvern is profiled this week by Gabe Knight!

  • Our new player reporter division News Clones give us our biggest news packed episode yet, making sure we now cover as many areas in Eve as possible (yes that includes you Morsus Mihi!).

  • And a chance to win a mystery prize that we'll find during our travels to the Fanfest this coming week!


Eve Tv Episode 18 is now available here!

We hope you enjoy the show, and remember that next week EveTv will be covering the Saturday of Fanfest 2008 LIVE and FREE so tell your friends and don't forget to tune into the party on top of the world!

Pizi
Gallente
Posted - 2007.10.27 11:23:00 - [2]
 

its labeled as Episode 17 ..

LoxyRider
Posted - 2007.10.27 11:35:00 - [3]
 

*Slams head on desk*

That has the tale tale signs of our art guy being very lazy and using last week's template and not actually updating the text ><.

He shall be properly disciplined!

...with fire.

Pizi
Gallente
Posted - 2007.10.27 11:45:00 - [4]
 

how many hours will you send from the fanfest ?
any schedule yet ?

LoxyRider
Posted - 2007.10.27 11:51:00 - [5]
 

Hours aren't completely set but it will hopefully be from around 14:00 to 21:00 GMT, covering the major lectures and party on the final day.

Yuri Hakata
Hakata Group
Blade.
Posted - 2007.10.27 12:17:00 - [6]
 

The news are much more interesting now, including the north, lowsec and even drone regions. Many thanks to the News Clones!

Mazca Lopez
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2007.10.27 12:44:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Mazca Lopez on 27/10/2007 12:44:57
Nice show.... I didn't mind the distribution of broadcast time before, but as it is the news segment (along with the credits Very Happy) I enjoy the most, I definatly like the change....

If you wanny happy up the RP comunity, news from the AZA campaign would be good

Nadjar
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.10.27 13:20:00 - [8]
 

There was cake?

Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
Posted - 2007.10.27 13:36:00 - [9]
 


Newsclones = win.

Kick arse stuff guys.

Cool


Ishina Fel
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2007.10.27 14:03:00 - [10]
 

Spiral you are disgusting! LaughingughEvil or Very MadEmbarassedLaughingShocked

QwaarJet
Gallente
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.10.27 15:17:00 - [11]
 

Better news this time. One slight complaint, in that we were called "Mosus Mihi"..... apart from that, good improvement.

Gerome Doutrande
Posted - 2007.10.27 15:33:00 - [12]
 


Lucifer Fellblade
Evocati.
Posted - 2007.10.27 17:27:00 - [13]
 

I was super happy when we got mentioned, although it was after we'd mostly pulled out of the area :(.

Missed mentioning the fight where they attacked us the first time and got spanked :P.

Still, local news stuff is good for the smaller individual corps.

Abye
Caldari
Blinking Wallet makes me happy
Posted - 2007.10.27 18:39:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Gerome Doutrande
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News were awesome !

Frug
Omega Wing
Snatch Victory
Posted - 2007.10.27 19:11:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Frug on 27/10/2007 19:11:31
News section was great. Ship profile kinda irrelevant to me :(

Thanks spiral, for making this weeks embarrassing screenshot so bloody easy.

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0710/weirdo.jpg

Omnious Prime
Posted - 2007.10.27 19:42:00 - [16]
 

/me Feels loved Smile

Groox
noli turbare circulos meos
Posted - 2007.10.27 21:43:00 - [17]
 

Go(o)d work!


Selim
Akh'Vehlr Industries
Posted - 2007.10.28 03:01:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Selim on 28/10/2007 03:15:52
Someone tell Stavros that he has no idea what he is talking about when it comes to roleplay (in before someone says he doesn't know what he is talking about when it comes to anything). I don't know what he was doing when he "roleplayed", but he was most likely doing it wrong.

Roleplay isn't about limiting yourself. It isn't about "ok, I'm Amarr, that means I only shoot minmatar and only fly amarr ships". Its about creating a character for yourself. It isn't limiting by any means, it in fact expands your game. It spices it up. You don't need a reason to roleplay, but you roleplay FOR a reason, to give your game further meaning. Rather than limiting your game it enhances it. Roleplay is about interactions with others.

CVA/others who are renowned/successful aren't "bending the rules" about their RP. Mostly because RP doesn't have any rules. Sure, the people who roleplay that they are klingons that mysteriously appeared after a cloaking device malfunction are frowned upon, but other than that, as long as your character sticks to the sandbox prime fiction, you can do whatever you want. Roleplay is about being creative, not limiting yourself. Being Amarr doesn't mean you have to stick to the stereotypical religious freak, for example. This is just the tip of the iceberg. There's infinite possibilities you can do with your character.

I think Stavros is horribly uninformed as to the state of RP in EVE. I think rather than helping RP, what he is saying is reinforcing the negative stereotypes about RP held by much of the playerbase, that RPers are weak, ineffectual players that speak like 17th century britons, who limiting themselves due to being RPers. That RPers are unimaginative clones, where all Amarr RPers are slavers, all minmatar are freedom fighters, all gallente are drug-using hippies, and that all caldari RPers play as corporate fascists. Which couldn't be further from the truth. The state of RP in EVE is healthy and live and vibrant, and dynamic, and creative.

So, in closing... Stavros, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG. Laughing

edit: oh, and this isn't to say that CCP doesn't need to provide more support to roleplay, they do. By bringing back AURORA and adding more news stories and all that, but I think you are trying to go about it entirely the wrong way. RPers don't need a crutch to walk on. RPers need more cool news stories and events to work around.

Sakura Nihil
Selective Pressure
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2007.10.28 04:51:00 - [19]
 

Preach it Selim *thumbs up*.

Yuki Li
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
Posted - 2007.10.28 06:43:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Selim
Edited by: Selim on 28/10/2007 03:15:52
Someone tell Stavros that he has no idea what he is talking about when it comes to roleplay (in before someone says he doesn't know what he is talking about when it comes to anything). I don't know what he was doing when he "roleplayed", but he was most likely doing it wrong.

Roleplay isn't about limiting yourself. It isn't about "ok, I'm Amarr, that means I only shoot minmatar and only fly amarr ships". Its about creating a character for yourself. It isn't limiting by any means, it in fact expands your game. It spices it up. You don't need a reason to roleplay, but you roleplay FOR a reason, to give your game further meaning. Rather than limiting your game it enhances it. Roleplay is about interactions with others.

CVA/others who are renowned/successful aren't "bending the rules" about their RP. Mostly because RP doesn't have any rules. Sure, the people who roleplay that they are klingons that mysteriously appeared after a cloaking device malfunction are frowned upon, but other than that, as long as your character sticks to the sandbox prime fiction, you can do whatever you want. Roleplay is about being creative, not limiting yourself. Being Amarr doesn't mean you have to stick to the stereotypical religious freak, for example. This is just the tip of the iceberg. There's infinite possibilities you can do with your character.

I think Stavros is horribly uninformed as to the state of RP in EVE. I think rather than helping RP, what he is saying is reinforcing the negative stereotypes about RP held by much of the playerbase, that RPers are weak, ineffectual players that speak like 17th century britons, who limiting themselves due to being RPers. That RPers are unimaginative clones, where all Amarr RPers are slavers, all minmatar are freedom fighters, all gallente are drug-using hippies, and that all caldari RPers play as corporate fascists. Which couldn't be further from the truth. The state of RP in EVE is healthy and live and vibrant, and dynamic, and creative.

So, in closing... Stavros, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG. Laughing

edit: oh, and this isn't to say that CCP doesn't need to provide more support to roleplay, they do. By bringing back AURORA and adding more news stories and all that, but I think you are trying to go about it entirely the wrong way. RPers don't need a crutch to walk on. RPers need more cool news stories and events to work around.


This.

Devilish Ledoux
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.10.28 07:33:00 - [21]
 

Individual roleplayers aren't necessarily limiting themselves. However, a lot of RP organizations do limit themselves (via rules of engagement, standings, missions, selective ratting, etc). And his point (which I think most of us agree with) is that, while roleplay corps and alliances put limits on themselves, there aren't any in-game benefits of doing so.

Stavros
Amarr
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.10.28 16:02:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Stavros on 28/10/2007 16:04:32
Originally by: Selim
Edited by: Selim on 28/10/2007 03:15:52
Someone tell Stavros that he has no idea what he is talking about when it comes to roleplay (in before someone says he doesn't know what he is talking about when it comes to anything). I don't know what he was doing when he "roleplayed", but he was most likely doing it wrong.

Roleplay isn't about limiting yourself. It isn't about "ok, I'm Amarr, that means I only shoot minmatar and only fly amarr ships". Its about creating a character for yourself. It isn't limiting by any means, it in fact expands your game. It spices it up. You don't need a reason to roleplay, but you roleplay FOR a reason, to give your game further meaning. Rather than limiting your game it enhances it. Roleplay is about interactions with others.

CVA/others who are renowned/successful aren't "bending the rules" about their RP. Mostly because RP doesn't have any rules. Sure, the people who roleplay that they are klingons that mysteriously appeared after a cloaking device malfunction are frowned upon, but other than that, as long as your character sticks to the sandbox prime fiction, you can do whatever you want. Roleplay is about being creative, not limiting yourself. Being Amarr doesn't mean you have to stick to the stereotypical religious freak, for example. This is just the tip of the iceberg. There's infinite possibilities you can do with your character.

I think Stavros is horribly uninformed as to the state of RP in EVE. I think rather than helping RP, what he is saying is reinforcing the negative stereotypes about RP held by much of the playerbase, that RPers are weak, ineffectual players that speak like 17th century britons, who limiting themselves due to being RPers. That RPers are unimaginative clones, where all Amarr RPers are slavers, all minmatar are freedom fighters, all gallente are drug-using hippies, and that all caldari RPers play as corporate fascists. Which couldn't be further from the truth. The state of RP in EVE is healthy and live and vibrant, and dynamic, and creative.

So, in closing... Stavros, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG. Laughing

edit: oh, and this isn't to say that CCP doesn't need to provide more support to roleplay, they do. By bringing back AURORA and adding more news stories and all that, but I think you are trying to go about it entirely the wrong way. RPers don't need a crutch to walk on. RPers need more cool news stories and events to work around.


Ok lets look at this, aside from the fact that you slate what I said then agree with he major point of it at the end (CCP needing to reward roleplayers more) there are several other inconsistencies with what you say.

First you say:

Quote:
It spices it up. You don't need a reason to roleplay, but you roleplay FOR a reason, to give your game further meaning.


Which just plane doesn't make sense, but from what I can tell seems to agree with what I said about roleplaying being its own reward and if your satisfied with this, your satisfied with roleplaying in general.

Also, anyone can roleplay anywhere and pretend to be anything, nobody is denying this, I'm not saying all Amarr have to be slavers. What I'm saying is within a game with such a rich canon as EVE, it would be nice if people could RP within the storyline and be rewarded for it.

In summation your entitled to your opinions, but I challenge you to name a single prominent corp/alliance/entity within EVE that has embodied RP since the start of the game and has had a major effect on the EVE community at large.

RP'ers are essentially a sub community within eve, and a minority at that. I think that with more encouragement from CCP, this need not be so.

Ta

Stavros

XXX

Stavros
Amarr
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.10.28 16:04:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Devilish Ledoux
Individual roleplayers aren't necessarily limiting themselves. However, a lot of RP organizations do limit themselves (via rules of engagement, standings, missions, selective ratting, etc). And his point (which I think most of us agree with) is that, while roleplay corps and alliances put limits on themselves, there aren't any in-game benefits of doing so.


QFT

R0ot
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.10.28 18:32:00 - [24]
 

<3 EveTV Twisted Evil /me goes back to re-watch the outtake of stevie stroking her chest

Selim
Akh'Vehlr Industries
Posted - 2007.10.28 21:26:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Selim on 28/10/2007 21:38:26
Quote:
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I disagree that roleplayers deserve ingame rewards for roleplaying. We all play this game under the same rules, and we all get the same satisfaction from blowing up our enemies, or making a successful deal, or cornering a market, or whatever strikes your fancy. I think classifying things into RPers and non-RPers only serves to isolate the RP community at large. What CCP should be doing is showing that RP is something that ordinary players can and will do, and encourage it, but not by giving ingame rewards. Can you think of the resentment from the general playerbase if CCP started giving freebies to people for being a good influence on RP? Think of the goons. They destroyed AURORA due to mere accusations of unfairness, when AURORA was the ones giving us all the fun events and news stories.

What RP needs is positive recognition. All I hear is constant segregation in speech, as if the roleplayers are somehow separate from the rest of EVE. I counter by saying that ALL players are RPers or potential RPers. The difference between an RPer and a non RPer in EVE is merely that the RPers choose to utilize the prime fiction. Anyone can do this. There are levels of RP, there's light RP and heavy RP, and personally I think everyone already does light RP to some extent, they just don't know it. All it really is, is recognizing the PF, and being open-minded. Thats all I really do, for example. I'm a spectator, I read the news stories and chronicles and I really enjoy it. I post on the roleplay forum once in a blue moon. I still consider myself an RPer even with that small amount of effort, and it really deepens the game for me. Yet I play on the same server as all others. CCP needs to show people that you don't even need to be in an RP corp to do RP.

As far as your challenge? You and I both know that the recognized "RP community" (which doesn't exist, RPers exist on Tranquility amongst everyone else, they aren't isolated by any means) is small. Thus, I would counter your challenge by asking you to name a single NON-RP organization that is small, that has had a major effect. The fact that numbers makes right in EVE is a global problem, that doesn't just affect the RP community. Perhaps it is affected disproportionately due to the fact that there is really only one RP alliance that isn't very small, the CVA. But all small groups, RP or not, face this issue. It is a core problem of EVE that it is very hard to make a name for yourself. Some manage to break through, most don't. I'd say CVA, Star Fraction, UK, Coreli corp are all well known. If by "major effect" you mean holding a large amount of territory, then perhaps they have failed. But I think that equating having a major effect with purely subscribing to the POS game, says something bad about the game in general, where people are forced to become territory holders to have a major effect. What is wrong with RP in EVE is that small-scale EVE has been lacking for everyone for a long time now. If the balance devs make small scale EVE more appealing, roleplaying will become stronger.

Quote:
RP'ers are essentially a sub community within eve


I don't agree that RPers are a subcommunity purely of their own accord. It is partly the fault of negative stereotypes, and uneasiness on the part of many players when dealing with RPers. But I think ultimately, I agree with your core message, that CCP needs to provide more encouragement for people to try their hand at RP. So don't take what I'm saying as me giving you the finger, I think ultimately you have the right idea but you're saying it in the wrong way, a way that perhaps reinforces bad stereotypes. We don't want cheap rewards, we want more fiction resources to play with, more events, and more positive recognition from CCP.

in before tl;dr (sorry, JF alumni, its in my blood)

Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2007.10.28 22:04:00 - [26]
 

I think the greatest limiting factor on roleplay has more to do with a fundamental misunderstanding of what it is to roleplay. It seems that people feel if you don't talk in archaic english, limit yourself to a specific ship/specific corp members, and otherwise place limitations on yourself, you're not really roleplaying. Under that misconception, it's a self-fulfilling truth that roleplay is an inherent disadvantage.

Anybody could put together a merc unit, learn pvp, and tie their personal/corporate identity back to Eve fiction somehow and be roleplaying just fine. They could also be a terrific combat unit. "Roleplaying" a merc would not require doing anything that would make someone less effective than a "non-roleplay" merc.

The same goes for any organization that could be roleplayed. That the majority of roleplay organizations do place limitations on themselves does not mean that roleplay itself requires those limitations.

Stav brings up one good point: there do seem to be roleplayers who play a "different" Eve. Anyone who has bothered to listen to any of my treatisies on roleplay knows that I feel that sort of roleplay is, in fact, bad roleplay. If you can't at least exist with the other players in the game, you're doing something wrong in your roleplay.

Selim
Akh'Vehlr Industries
Posted - 2007.10.28 22:26:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Garreck
I think the greatest limiting factor on roleplay has more to do with a fundamental misunderstanding of what it is to roleplay. It seems that people feel if you don't talk in archaic english, limit yourself to a specific ship/specific corp members, and otherwise place limitations on yourself, you're not really roleplaying. Under that misconception, it's a self-fulfilling truth that roleplay is an inherent disadvantage.

Anybody could put together a merc unit, learn pvp, and tie their personal/corporate identity back to Eve fiction somehow and be roleplaying just fine. They could also be a terrific combat unit. "Roleplaying" a merc would not require doing anything that would make someone less effective than a "non-roleplay" merc.

The same goes for any organization that could be roleplayed. That the majority of roleplay organizations do place limitations on themselves does not mean that roleplay itself requires those limitations.

Stav brings up one good point: there do seem to be roleplayers who play a "different" Eve. Anyone who has bothered to listen to any of my treatisies on roleplay knows that I feel that sort of roleplay is, in fact, bad roleplay. If you can't at least exist with the other players in the game, you're doing something wrong in your roleplay.


Agreed. This is part of what I'm trying to get across.

Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Posted - 2007.10.28 22:53:00 - [28]
 

As Selim and Garreck say, RP groups in Eve can't expect to get a break just because they are RPers, and those that do look for a break because of that are in for a harsh realization the first time they come across someone who simply doesn't care (which shouldn't be too long). Corporations and alliances -- RP or no -- need to be able to walk the walk before they talk the talk.

That said, I agree that it would be nice if CCP did more to involve people in the more story-centric parts of Eve RP; as Stavros says, Eve has a very deep and well-thought out background, and it seems like that has largely been forgotten in the rush to provide new ships and modules. While I'm as big a fan of new content as anyone, one of the best parts about Eve has been making the world seem alive, and with the demise of AURORA it seems like that has fallen by the wayside, at least in terms of CCP-supported events. I hope that EveTV's news clones will help remedy that somewhat -- it's certainly a good step towards getting RP events made by players to show up on everyone's radar -- but I think CCP is wasting a lot of potential by not developing the world events in Eve more.

I don't think any RP corporation or alliance wants to get handouts in the form of "stuff" for performing their RP though. I know at least for CAIN, RP is its own reward in large part, because it gives us a strong motivation to work together and something more to fight over than killboard stats or POS slogfests. I'm pretty sure that's the case with most RP corps and alliances out there. The only thing we would want from CCP is some recognition from in-game entities. Our biggest rewards in this game have been seeing our corporation's name in news articles everyone can see, the respect we've gained from both our allies and our enemies thanks to our in-game actions, and the interest we've been able to generate in RP in general. One of the biggest events for Omerta Syndicate, I know, is when an AURORA actor acknowledged their backstory during an event. I suspect that was worth more to them than any amount of ISK ever could have.

Those sorts of touches are what is really missing from the game right now. It's hard not to feel somewhat dejected if you're an Amarr RPer and your Empire hasn't had an Emperor for two years. It would be nice game mechanics encouraged RP, I admit -- I would have no problem if Gallente stations barred CAIN pilots from docking, for instance -- but that is really tough for CCP to implement without ****ing a lot of people off, I'm sure.

That said, even with the passing of AURORA, there's been plenty of good RP action going on that's entirely player-created. CAIN just fought a war with Electus Matari, CVA is fighting a battle against Minmatar, anarchists and blood cultists in Providence, Cyrene is clashing with Apex, who is evidently cozying up to the Guristas, and that's just the stuff I know about. There's plenty of RP stuff out there happening. If you want to see more RP, the best thing you can do for it is to do something about it. The more people that get involved in RP, the more CCP will take notice, and the more the rest of the cluster will take notice. You want to RP your little Amarr heart out, Stavros, sign yourself up with CVA or PIE or Aegis Militia or start your own Amarr loyalist corp and do it. CCP can't generate RP out there out of whole cloth -- they can only contribute. It's up to us, the players, to do what we can to make it come alive.

Caja Wrython
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2007.10.29 23:20:00 - [29]
 

Good show I liked the news segment a lot more.

Although I think someone needs to iron Spiral's clothing. ....this is not an offer.

Ambrosious Martin
Anarchist Movment
Posted - 2007.10.31 02:07:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Lucifer Fellblade
I was super happy when we got mentioned, although it was after we'd mostly pulled out of the area :(.

Missed mentioning the fight where they attacked us the first time and got spanked :P.

Still, local news stuff is good for the smaller individual corps.


Love it, you have done a great job since. Please make it a point to spank us some more. The hyperion, scorpion, myrm, typhoon, are all award winners.

The news is awesome, and definatelly improves the watchability of EVE TV, not to mention its now free.

All the news clones have done a great job. Just please make it a point to get the facts alligned in order before submitting for presentation.

And to Darth Ninjabadger, thanks for the public retraction and correction on these forums would love to hear it aired this week. Oh thanks for the drake, look forward to receiving lots more.


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