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Garat Mant
Moons of Pluto
Space Exploration and Logistic Services
Posted - 2007.10.26 15:04:00 - [1]
 

Chronotis spills the beans on a proposed new highsec version of the Rorqual

This sounds great! How to design such a beastie? What's YOUR wishlist for the proposed new Mining platform?

-G

Valator Uel
Caldari
Mercenaries of Andosia
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2007.10.26 18:21:00 - [2]
 

Just a large cargo bay/corp hangar and capital tractor beams. Helps against jetcan mining and is good for big ops. Doesn't need mineral compression since it's already in High-sec.

Oh, bonus to mining leadership skills would be cool too.

Hilly22222
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.10.26 18:39:00 - [3]
 

and...a casino!

Chaala Stone
Posted - 2007.10.26 19:35:00 - [4]
 

and... a petting zoo!

Cashflow Broker
Posted - 2007.10.26 19:51:00 - [5]
 

and....and....and....a strip club :P

he...mining is boring as it is, we might as well have some fun while doing it

omiNATION
Gallente
TBC
VENOM Alliance
Posted - 2007.10.26 20:26:00 - [6]
 

So... basically an mini freighter with a mining link bonus.


Pwett
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
Posted - 2007.10.26 21:12:00 - [7]
 

all my letters to CCP worked!

Aykido
Gallente
Lobster of Babel
Posted - 2007.10.26 21:43:00 - [8]
 

About half the size of Rorqual.
No Miners
No Clone Vat Bay
No Jump capability

Same bonus to Mining links as Roqual
Capital tractors
Able to Tank most low sec spawns
Corp hangar
Ship maintenence Bay

Perfect for large ops in Stationless systems.

Clansworth
Good Rock Materials
Posted - 2007.10.26 22:41:00 - [9]
 

Give me a mining oriented command ship, tractor bonus (like on the maurauders), little-to-no pew pew, survey scanner bonus (mega-range boost... like scan the whole belt).

Seriously, just read the thread in my sig.. it's all there...

Transmaniacon
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2007.10.27 00:40:00 - [10]
 

I like the scanner bonus idea, the ability to scan with a 100 km range, and some sort of medium ranged tractor beam. Gang bonuses, and a fair ammount of ore storage would be excellent. Without the fear of being killed, one slap on cargohold expanders and have a nice size cargohold to store lots of ore (maybe even compress too!)

Nebulae Mem
Orbital Minerals
Posted - 2007.10.27 00:50:00 - [11]
 

Wish list (IE, fantasy mining ship)

Exhumers V. Leadership V, Transport ships III (would prefer a freighter skill, but they're race-based..)

275000 cargo, no jump drive. 100% bonus to mining drones, increase to tractor beam range (or a mid-sized tractor beam)
3 strips, 2 other highslots for links & tractor beams, 100% bonus to mining laser range (IE, 30k rather than 15k)

And a base 35 refinery that takes skills into account...

And a Quafe dispenser

And a huge holoprojector to watch movies while mining

Montaire
Krusual Developments
Posted - 2007.10.27 03:24:00 - [12]
 

You all know this wont be a mining ship right ? Just a Command Platform for Miners.

Aykido
Gallente
Lobster of Babel
Posted - 2007.10.27 07:02:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Aykido on 27/10/2007 07:06:05
If it has no jump drive, and no Clone Vat Bay, and No Compression ability. The skill tree will be simple.

Same as Rorqual really, without the extras:
Mining Barge V
Capital Industrial Ships I (or if it isn't Capital Ship, maybe Battle Cruiser 5)

It will definately have Bonus to Gang links, perhaps +3% per level in line with command ships?
It will have decent cargohold, and probably a ship maint array and a corp hangar.
It is likely to have scan bonus and either capital tractor or some tractor bonus.
It may have a drone bonus and some shield bonus.
Maybe give it half the compression ability of the Rorqual? so at double costs per compression...

mamba mo
Caldari
White Shadow Imperium
Burning Horizons
Posted - 2007.10.28 16:54:00 - [14]
 

THIS IDEA SHOULD BE SC****D!!!!
with the rorqual, 0.0 mining is better and its worth mining low end ores such as veldspar and scordite however if this hi-sec verison is introduced then it will be just the same as before and people will go back to briging minrals into 0.0 by module compresion like the pasive targerter ect.

Morcam
Posted - 2007.10.28 21:01:00 - [15]
 

Ehm... sounds like a buff to the macrominers (and only the macrominers) to me Sad. Anyone who is serious enough about mining to train and buy any mining capital ship will almost certainly already be in lowsec/0.0 (where the good ores are), and that has the Rorqual... The macrominers will certainly use it for it's gang boost (they never move out of highsec, after all), unless that is nerfed, in which case no one will use it...

D Gelalder
Gallente
Core Antum
Posted - 2007.10.28 21:44:00 - [16]
 

[hijack]

Using chruker's crystal ball, i saw the following item.

http://eve-files.com/dl/131573

[/hijack]

As for the orca, im rather curious how they plan on balancing it for high sec usage.

Shintai
Gallente
Arx Io Orbital Factories
Arx Io
Posted - 2007.10.28 23:05:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Morcam
Ehm... sounds like a buff to the macrominers (and only the macrominers) to me Sad. Anyone who is serious enough about mining to train and buy any mining capital ship will almost certainly already be in lowsec/0.0 (where the good ores are), and that has the Rorqual... The macrominers will certainly use it for it's gang boost (they never move out of highsec, after all), unless that is nerfed, in which case no one will use it...


I dont think so. First of all compression=$$$.

Secondly I dont think you can macro the rorq/orca that easily. Macro miners today also dont even use gang links. And the orca/rorq is pretty much useless on its own.

But I do wish they did somethign about the macroing...

Ford Hakata
Hakata Group
Blade.
Posted - 2007.10.28 23:07:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: mamba mo
THIS IDEA SHOULD BE SC****D!!!!
with the rorqual, 0.0 mining is better and its worth mining low end ores such as veldspar and scordite however if this hi-sec verison is introduced then it will be just the same as before and people will go back to briging minrals into 0.0 by module compresion like the pasive targerter ect.

I agree. A high-sec version of the Rorqual doesn't make much sense at all. With access to as many stations as there are in empire, there should be no reason at all to use an ore compression platform.

There _might_ be a point to use something like that in 0.5 systems without a station, but wherever you have a station, you can also freighterhaul ore from there to one where you can refine the ore. Not very efficient perhaps, but still attractive since the freighter can be used for so much more. To compete, the Orca would have to be _very_ cheap to buy indeed.

I have to say this isn't a particularly creative use of CCP resources, no matter how abundant they are.

How about making the miner's life a little more interesting in other ways? More scannable mining "sites", larger variation for mining in empire...

How about introducing "trace asteroids"? I.e. plain god-old high-sec asteroids that have tiny chance of yielding something more valuable than what one would expect? Look at it as a tiny chance for "hitting a gold vein".

If you really want to make another mining-related ship, then why not play with other kind of support ships?

How about introducing ships that can supply remote mining yield boosting or laser range, but that require a target lock and mininmum capacitor) and that even hardcore PvPers will consider using since it'll be helpful.

How about an Asteroid Transfer module pair? One module basically breaks up one asteroid, transports it to the second module, which then _adds_ to the asteroid the second module is targeting...

Please, a highsec Rorqual doesn't give anything new and interesting to the mining profession. Heck, even the Rorqual is quite limited in it's use. Sad

Morcam
Posted - 2007.10.28 23:46:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Shintai
Originally by: Morcam
Ehm... sounds like a buff to the macrominers (and only the macrominers) to me Sad. Anyone who is serious enough about mining to train and buy any mining capital ship will almost certainly already be in lowsec/0.0 (where the good ores are), and that has the Rorqual... The macrominers will certainly use it for it's gang boost (they never move out of highsec, after all), unless that is nerfed, in which case no one will use it...


I dont think so. First of all compression=$$$.

Secondly I dont think you can macro the rorq/orca that easily. Macro miners today also dont even use gang links. And the orca/rorq is pretty much useless on its own.

But I do wish they did somethign about the macroing...


Well, just like ford said, compression is utterly worthless in highsec. There are so many stations, that it is much simpler and cheaper to just use a freighter if you don't have one in your system. Also, macro miners not using gang links is news to me... Seems very sensible to throw in an AFK BC with ganglinks to improve speed... but then, since when are macrominers sensible?

mamba mo
Caldari
White Shadow Imperium
Burning Horizons
Posted - 2007.10.29 00:08:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: mamba mo on 29/10/2007 00:17:31
the rorqual is useful but this proposed orca is just a waste of time, instead of steped down verion of the rprqual a stepd up version of the hulk or anover class above exhummers would be good mabey, but DO NOT bring in the orca, as well as mine anddans points Morcams point about the macros is verry real, its true that most if not all macros they we see dont use links, but i think this is more due to the fact they are only really efective on command ships whitch take alot of skilling and isent worth the bounus how ever if we look at the rorquals req. skills thery are verry much baced on the skills needed to fly exhumers and as a step down from the rorqual the orca is bound to be along the same lines making it relativly easy for them to take a toon and put it tino an orca

Verite Rendition
Caldari
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
Posted - 2007.10.29 00:09:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Morcam
Well, just like ford said, compression is utterly worthless in highsec.
Actually it isn't. If the Orca can compress ore in high-sec, then it becomes possible and feasible to compress low-end ores (Veld & Scord mainly) for shipment to 0.0. With the trit price cap being removed and mineral compression being nerfed, this would force 0.0 alliances to buy ore directly from miners in high-sec.

mamba mo
Caldari
White Shadow Imperium
Burning Horizons
Posted - 2007.10.29 00:21:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Verite Rendition
Originally by: Morcam
Well, just like ford said, compression is utterly worthless in highsec.
Actually it isn't. If the Orca can compress ore in high-sec, then it becomes possible and feasible to compress low-end ores (Veld & Scord mainly) for shipment to 0.0. With the trit price cap being removed and mineral compression being nerfed, this would force 0.0 alliances to buy ore directly from miners in high-sec.
this is a verry god point I overlookd however i still do not think it is worth it as the rorqual makes veld an scord minable in 0.0 and the orca would become a macro toy

Lyvanna Kitaen
Minmatar
Noonday Sun Corp
Posted - 2007.10.29 04:08:00 - [23]
 

All I really want is basically a mini-freighter that can tractor and pick up cans in space. A maxed out Iteron V can only hold about 2 jetcans worth of ore. That's makes it a royal PITA to haul ore if you're mining a couple of jumps from a station. Give me something that can pick up and haul about 10-15 cans of ore from belt to station and I'd be a happy camper.

Gang link capability would be welcome too but not really required. Compression, I can easily live without.


Verite Rendition
Caldari
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
Posted - 2007.10.29 08:31:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: mamba mo
Originally by: Verite Rendition
Originally by: Morcam
Well, just like ford said, compression is utterly worthless in highsec.
Actually it isn't. If the Orca can compress ore in high-sec, then it becomes possible and feasible to compress low-end ores (Veld & Scord mainly) for shipment to 0.0. With the trit price cap being removed and mineral compression being nerfed, this would force 0.0 alliances to buy ore directly from miners in high-sec.
this is a verry god point I overlookd however i still do not think it is worth it as the rorqual makes veld an scord minable in 0.0 and the orca would become a macro toy
The Rorqual doesn't really do anything for 0.0 that you couldn't do before with a small POS and a Freighter; people still aren't mining Veld in 0.0, they're still buying trit in Empire. If the Orca can compress, then this will allow such importing to continue.

Ishina Fel
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2007.10.29 10:49:00 - [25]
 

You all realize that this ship is secretly beingintroduced to stop all the "Give Chribba A Highsec Rorqual" petition threads popping up every so often? Very HappyLaughing

lpha centurion
Confrerie des ombres
Sylph Alliance
Posted - 2007.10.29 12:44:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: lpha centurion on 29/10/2007 17:04:26
Edited by: lpha centurion on 29/10/2007 13:06:34
Edited by: lpha centurion on 29/10/2007 12:45:25

The idea of the orca is a very interesting idea :
- Less cans anchored in space
- You don't need to cross systems with a transport ship (or other) every 10 minutes when your corp is mining

Skills needed :
- Mining Barge V
- Industry V
- Specific ship skill I
- Leadership V
- Advanced Spaceship Command V

- Some fu..king skills that are always needed Laughing (electronics and others)

The bonus and drawbacks I would give it :
- 99% reduction in CPU need for Gang Link modules
- 99% reduction in CPU need for Industrial Reconfiguration modules
- Can compress ore (maybe less performant than the rorqual ?)
- 99% reduction in CPU need for Tractor Beams
- 10-20% to drones hitpoints and damage per skill level (can have some heavy drones)
- 5% bonus to bonus to effectiveness of mining foreman gang links per level when in deployed mode
- 50% bonus to the range of Capital Shield Transporters per level.

Drawbacks :
- Cannot fit strip miners nor weapons (hybrid and others)
- Have less HP than the rorqual
- Cannot jump without stargate (so no fuel needed)

- (very optional) Cannot be used if the Security Status of the system is <= 0.2 ?


Price :
Because the orca will mainly be used in empire and has less interesting things (like clone vat bay), the price might be arrount 1b - 1.5b ?

Pwett
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
Posted - 2007.10.29 16:33:00 - [27]
 

Use #2 for the orca

if they have the capital tractors, I'm soooo gonna use this to salvage my missions :)

Lord DarkStar
Gallente
Diggers and Riggers
Posted - 2007.10.29 18:38:00 - [28]
 

this is a very ... interesting idea,i suspect if this ship comes it will have a big can that can be deployed into space and made use by the miners,now this idea i dont have a big problem with really,expecially if it is a secure can,but chances are they wont do anything like this,just give us an orca take away jetcans and be done with it,

Zeph Solaris
Shark Investments
Posted - 2007.10.29 19:57:00 - [29]
 

Adding compression abilities would aid in moving low-end ores to 0.0. You could mine/buy the low-ends, compress them, and toss them over to a freighter/jump freighter buddy. That would be much better than just doing it all out in 0.0 or trying to get enough modules out there to refine.

Thorbjorn Brundtland
Gemeinschaft interstellarer Soeldner
Grunts.
Posted - 2007.10.29 20:01:00 - [30]
 

Anything above a Command Ship seems to be too much for Empire usage.

IMO it would be just an ORE variety of Command Ships already released in EVE only with ORE specific bonuses.



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