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Irias Salo
Caldari
The Star Wolves
Aunni Ti Tsuun Consortium
Posted - 2007.10.25 12:03:00 - [1]
 

Duty is above all else, honour is in the fulfilment of duty. My duty is to the Caldari people and the Aunni Ti Tsuun Consortium, and there is no price too high.

It has been made clear that the price for good relations between the ATTC and APEXC is my resignation as chairman of the Aunni Ti Tsuun Consortium council, and my resignation as Chief Executive of The Star Wolves Corporation. It is the price I must pay, and I pay willingly despite the objections of many within the Consortium.

Due to this time of change, the war against the Guristas Associates has been dropped, the oaths I made that swore the Consortium to the aid of corporations should they have war declared onto them are suspended for the time being, however standings shall not changed nor shall they until the council decides otherwise.

All changes within the Consortium are suspended, the rewritten constitution put on hold, the allowing of an APEX Conglomerate member to sit on the ATTC Council void. The treaty between the ATTC and APEXC still holds, but, as it was made because of the situation between Vendrin and myself, whether or not the council decides to uphold it further is up to them.

I have made Commander Gordon acting chairman until the council votes on a replacement. I wish them luck in finding the right man or woman, and hope that they find a worthy replacement.

This is the price demanded and I pay willingly.

For the good of the Caldari people, for the good of the Aunni Ti Tsuun Consortium. Uphold your duty, stay true to your word and remember that above all else that profit, money, and greed is the cause of corruption, and corruption is the greatest evil in this galaxy. Duty, honour, and loyalty to the people are the one thing that retains any worth.


Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2007.10.25 16:27:00 - [2]
 

This is all very noble, Irias, but are you really quite sure that this is necessary, or even productive? APEX seems to have its own projects and concerns, which may or may not concern the State. Are you quite sure you don't want to wait until a certain pending investigation ends before you turn over your position?

It would be terrible to surrender your seat for the sake of a relationship you might need to backpedal from, fast.

Well, no matter. I'm sure you'll do as you think best.

Irias Salo
Caldari
The Star Wolves
Aunni Ti Tsuun Consortium
Posted - 2007.10.25 18:22:00 - [3]
 

It is the price demanded.

Akira Giichi
Caldari
Kedakai Corporation
Aunni Ti Tsuun Consortium
Posted - 2007.10.25 22:12:00 - [4]
 

I agree with Aria on this, old friend.. I really do not like this.
But it seems I can't do anything about your decision...

Irias Salo
Caldari
The Star Wolves
Aunni Ti Tsuun Consortium
Posted - 2007.10.27 22:22:00 - [5]
 

Its the decision made. Roy, Gal and yourself Akira will do as good a job, and maybe even better.

Spoon Thumb
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Vanguard Imperium
Posted - 2007.10.29 19:23:00 - [6]
 


Knowing what is wrong and recognising the error is the first step toward correcting it. Giving up isn't the second

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2007.10.29 21:24:00 - [7]
 

You are a State loyalist, Mr. Solo, so I can't entirely sympathise with your aims, but I can understand your loyalty to the State. I ask you then, why do you continue to kowtow to APEX, who have violated State law, however byzantine they may or may not be, fallen in with anti-State pirates and essentially given the finger to pretty much everything you and other State loyalists stand for.

I have no love to the ATTC but at least you can stand by your ideals through fair and foul. APEX couldn't, and it saddens me that you're giving up a job that you obviously enjoy just to please traitors.

Davion Vrynn
Caldari
Tsurokigaarai
APEX Conglomerate
Posted - 2007.10.29 21:54:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Davion Vrynn on 29/10/2007 21:58:54
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
You are a State loyalist, Mr. Solo, so I can't entirely sympathise with your aims, but I can understand your loyalty to the State. I ask you then, why do you continue to kowtow to APEX, who have violated State law, however byzantine they may or may not be, fallen in with anti-State pirates and essentially given the finger to pretty much everything you and other State loyalists stand for.

I have no love to the ATTC but at least you can stand by your ideals through fair and foul. APEX couldn't, and it saddens me that you're giving up a job that you obviously enjoy just to please traitors.

Might want to investigate a bit. Whoever asked him to step down, it wasn't us. We didn't get it either.

Then again, Dr. Salo has an unfortunate tendency to be overly vague in his statements, so I suppose it's not that surprising.

I'll give an example of what I mean...
Originally by: Irias Salo
It has been made clear that the price for good relations between the ATTC and APEXC is my resignation as chairman of the Aunni Ti Tsuun Consortium council, and my resignation as Chief Executive of The Star Wolves Corporation.

I can think of at least 4 different ways to interperet that sentence.

1. In order for ATTC and APEX to have good relations, I must step down so as not to present an obstacle due to my history with Vendrin.

2. Because I made an effort to establish good relations between ATTC and APEX, and APEX has struck some sort of deal with our enemies, the Black Rabbits, the council (or some other entity) has demanded I step down for my lack of foresight.

3. APEX demanded my resignation if good relations were to continue between ATTC and APEX.

4. I don't want to be in charge anymore and this sounded like a good excuse.

Gorion Wassenar
Caldari
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2007.10.29 22:40:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
You are a State loyalist, Mr. Solo, so I can't entirely sympathise with your aims, but I can understand your loyalty to the State. I ask you then, why do you continue to kowtow to APEX, who have violated State law, however byzantine they may or may not be, fallen in with anti-State pirates and essentially given the finger to pretty much everything you and other State loyalists stand for.

I have no love to the ATTC but at least you can stand by your ideals through fair and foul. APEX couldn't, and it saddens me that you're giving up a job that you obviously enjoy just to please traitors.


Unless you have a specific example where we have violated a state law I will ask you to keep your baseless slander to yourself. Becoming independent last I checked was perfectly legal, at least in the Caldari State anyways. We all know what happens when people in the Federation want to control their own futures as opposed to by the Federal government.

Roy Gordon
Caldari
Caldari Advanced Response Division
Power Of 3
Posted - 2007.10.29 22:52:00 - [10]
 

Dr Salo gave the reasons for his handing over the control of both the Star Wolves and the ATTC alliance to myself quite plainly I believe.
Whether he was right to step down or not will have to be seen.

Souvera Corvus
THE PAROXYSM
Session Changes
Posted - 2007.10.29 23:51:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Gorion Wassenar
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
You are a State loyalist, Mr. Solo, so I can't entirely sympathise with your aims, but I can understand your loyalty to the State. I ask you then, why do you continue to kowtow to APEX, who have violated State law, however byzantine they may or may not be, fallen in with anti-State pirates and essentially given the finger to pretty much everything you and other State loyalists stand for.

I have no love to the ATTC but at least you can stand by your ideals through fair and foul. APEX couldn't, and it saddens me that you're giving up a job that you obviously enjoy just to please traitors.


Unless you have a specific example where we have violated a state law I will ask you to keep your baseless slander to yourself. Becoming independent last I checked was perfectly legal, at least in the Caldari State anyways. We all know what happens when people in the Federation want to control their own futures as opposed to by the Federal government.


Whilst APEX' decision to associate with organisations violently opposed to the state could well be seen as 'independence', I doubt very much whether the state itself will see it that way.

Indeed, it could be said that such a stance was not 'independent' so much as it was opportunistic. I really don't see how it can be seen any other way.




Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2007.10.30 00:12:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Gorion Wassenar
Unless you have a specific example where we have violated a state law


Oh, quit being coy. Associating with rogue factions known for piracy, being extremely difficult about submitting to an audit by the Caldari Business Tribunal, murdering the man they sent to audit you when you eventually did submit, destroying his findings and then refusing to submit to a replacement when they sent one.

Originally by: Gorion Wassenar
We all know what happens when people in the Federation want to control their own futures as opposed to by the Federal government.


Originally by: Gorion Wassenar
baseless slander


APEX have this wonderful inability to sense the irony of their statements. Are you sure you're not related to any Amarr, Gorion?

Gorion Wassenar
Caldari
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2007.10.30 01:17:00 - [13]
 

So your just confirming you have nothing at all as evidence and just your opinion. Well, good to know we're on the same page.

Tatsue Nuko
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2007.10.30 01:35:00 - [14]
 

Andreus,

I'm sure that there sounded like fighting words. I invite you to do something.

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2007.10.30 04:35:00 - [15]
 

I thought violence was the last resort, rather than the first, for people who wished to prove the validity of their views. I don't have any hard proof, no, but the facts really do speak for themselves - APEX gets caught red-handed associating with pirates by an alliance far superior to themselves (CYI), whines tiresomely about co-operating with the CBT, and when they do, after a few days the CBT's investigator disappears. APEX refuses to submit to another investigation and flees Caldari space, and then viciously slanders the Gallente Federation as if it's some kind of valid defence of their own values. Yet somehow they are still loyal to the Caldari State.

You know, at first, I was willing to believe it when other people said I was reactionary and irrational. But now, every time I hear a member of APEX or their supporters speak, I feel like I'm in some kind of low-budget surrealist comedy movie.

Davion Vrynn
Caldari
Tsurokigaarai
APEX Conglomerate
Posted - 2007.10.30 13:15:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
APEX gets caught red-handed associating with pirates by an alliance far superior to themselves (CYI)

Actually, no, they trumped up some random charges with little basis in fact. The accusations of consorting with pirates were brought up by Duty and Boma Airaken, whom, last I checked, were not members of CYI.

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and then viciously slanders the Gallente Federation

Are you sure you understand the definition of slander? And if you're confident that you do, please make sure you understand the difference between an capsuleer alliance and a sovereign nation.
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Yet somehow they are still loyal to the Caldari State.

Eh? Says who? I believe we made it quite clear that we are now loyal to our employees and our well-being as an alliance.
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But now, every time I hear a member of APEX or their supporters speak, I feel like I'm in some kind of low-budget surrealist comedy movie.

I hope you brought popcorn.

Irias Salo
Caldari
The Star Wolves
Aunni Ti Tsuun Consortium
Posted - 2007.10.30 21:29:00 - [17]
 

I have given my reason; Mr. Gordon knows it as does the ATTC council.

I also request that APEX pilots do not bring their rhetoric here.

Davion Vrynn
Caldari
Tsurokigaarai
APEX Conglomerate
Posted - 2007.10.30 23:58:00 - [18]
 

You want to talk about us in this thread, but don't want us to reply? Well that's not quite fair, now is it?

However, as I have nothing further to say, I'll respect your wishes, doc.

Roy Gordon
Caldari
Caldari Advanced Response Division
Power Of 3
Posted - 2007.10.31 08:50:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Davion Vrynn
You want to talk about us in this thread, but don't want us to reply? Well that's not quite fair, now is it?

However, as I have nothing further to say, I'll respect your wishes, doc.


Despite there being at least 5 posts from members of APEX, nothing has been said to indicate you answered Dr Salo to the degree required. As the head of both the Star Wolves and ATTC I now consider the matter closed and so is this Galnet thread.


 

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