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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
Posted - 2007.10.23 19:13:00 - [1]
 

Please remove this poor idea. Nerfing the Myrmidon is bad enough, but the Eos is a command ship, an elite battlecruiser requiring months of training. It's supposed to be powerful. But now, it has considerably less damage than a HAC (as the Ishtar still has its full drone ability). And it has less gun damage than its T1 battlecruiser equivalent! While the Vulture and Claymore have their issues, at least they're clearly better than the T1 ship!

For those who don't have access:

1) Bandwidth nerfed to 75m3 of drones.

2) Bonus drone bay size nerfed from 50m3/level to 15m3/level.

3) 2 turrets removed, to 5 instead of 7.

Angor
BURN EDEN
Posted - 2007.10.23 19:25:00 - [2]
 

where's this?

Xequecal
Posted - 2007.10.23 19:26:00 - [3]
 

Oh wow, now it only does three times the DPS of the other fleet commands instead of five times as much? QQ more.

Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
Posted - 2007.10.23 19:36:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 23/10/2007 19:36:55
Originally by: Xequecal
Oh wow, now it only does three times the DPS of the other fleet commands instead of five times as much? QQ more.


From a range of zero km. Which is nice if you're compensating for size issues with large quickfit numbers, but in real combat, the Eos was just fine. The only balance changes we needed were:

1) Vulture gets 7 turrets (6 at absolute minimum) to match the newly fixed Ferox, along with grid/cpu/cap to use them.

2) Claymore gets some improvement (likely removing the split weapon layout like the Vulture) based on the newly fixed Cyclone. I'll let the people who actually fly the ship decide just what fix they want.

Banzai OdiN
Caldari
Posted - 2007.10.23 19:43:00 - [5]
 

Fix the myrmidon give it it's drone bay back and wtf is up with the Keres 's drone bay put it on par with the Sentinal

Jinmie
Posted - 2007.10.23 19:44:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Xequecal
Oh wow, now it only does three times the DPS of the other fleet commands instead of five times as much? QQ more.


What are you on about noob?

Vulture can do 500 dps with Neutron Blasters, 400 with Heavy Assault Launchers. (hobgobs)

Claymore does 500 with 220's and Heavy Missile Launchers (hammer / hobgobs)

Damnation does 400 with Heavy Assaults and 2 Heavy Pulses (hobgobs)


And Eos will do 500 with 5 Ion's 2Ogre, 2Hammer 1 Hobgob.


I'd call that pretty balanced not 3x more instead of 5x more, of course I didn't expect you to have a clue.


And balanced? well the Claymore with that fit has a 750dps tank, Damnation 750 active tank or 300k of effective hp with 40k hp @ giga resists, Vulture a 700 active tank or passive and the Eos has a 600 dps tank.

Sooo.....

Banzai OdiN
Caldari
Posted - 2007.10.23 19:51:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Banzai OdiN
Fix the myrmidon give it it's drone bay back and wtf is up with the Keres 's drone bay put it on par with the Sentinal


Also fix the ishkur while your at it, it doesn't seem to be getting much of a drone bay boost

Rainhailer
Gallente
Einherjar Rising
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2007.10.23 20:43:00 - [8]
 

Nothing was even wrong with the Ishkur and they nerfed it..

Rainbow Bear
Mercurialis Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.10.23 20:49:00 - [9]
 

Gallente are the Drone Race, Drones are Primary Weapons. We know about the whole Heavy Drones are Battleship size weapons, but its not like there are any serious comparisons to be drawn except with a theoretical weapon "size" argument. Please lets see some figures before arbitrary changes are made as some people trained for months based on the current ships stats (Not as much as carrier pilots, but thats not in this thread!)

Please remove turrets before you remove drone bandwidth! :(

El'jonson
Posted - 2007.10.23 21:26:00 - [10]
 

CCP seem to hate gallente they are nerfing alot of gallente ships with this surposed drone fix, why not just come out and say it ccp hate drones because they cause lag.

Anyone know how I can swap my gallente skills for caldari and my carrier skills 4 dred ones Sad

Bailian Moxtain
NibbleTek
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.10.23 21:28:00 - [11]
 

this nerf means i wasted like 2 months training for eos..... which is my favourite ship atm Crying or Very sad

Toppar Wear
The Order of Odin
Posted - 2007.10.23 21:40:00 - [12]
 

Wow the eos just got hit with the nerf bat big time..

I could to some degree accept the nerf of fielding heavy drones but also cutting down on the amount of turrets Confused

Then cutting down on the amount of drones it can carry is even more silly, the new feature was to allow more different kind of drones. This goes against what the dev themself have said about the new changes..Mad

I know it comes off as a whine but meh.. nah, forget it.. Here sleipnir, sleipnir.. Good boy, lets play! Wink


Arenis Xemdal
Amarr
Insidious Existence
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.10.23 21:50:00 - [13]
 

I always thought the Eos was garbage for actual gang business, and it being comparable to other ships for damage/combat is the only reason why people keep insisting its good. Maybe now it will be turned into something other than an Ishtar replacement, cause we all know how many people just loooooooove to run around packing "INFORMATION WARFARE".

Alex Under
H A V O C
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2007.10.23 21:55:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Toppar Wear
Wow the eos just got hit with the nerf bat big time..

I could to some degree accept the nerf of fielding heavy drones but also cutting down on the amount of turrets Confused

Then cutting down on the amount of drones it can carry is even more silly, the new feature was to allow more different kind of drones. This goes against what the dev themself have said about the new changes..Mad

I know it comes off as a whine but meh.. nah, forget it.. Here sleipnir, sleipnir.. Good boy, lets play! Wink



QFT. This absolutely sucks that they nerfed the Eos like this. Not only limiting the drones but also removing turrets. Like you said Toppar, Sleipnir and Astarte will be the only command ships I'll be flying from now on.

Shevar
Minmatar
Target Practice incorporated
Posted - 2007.10.23 21:56:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Banzai OdiN
Fix the myrmidon give it it's drone bay back and wtf is up with the Keres 's drone bay put it on par with the Sentinal


The sentinel is a mini curse

The keres is a mini lachesis.

Check the dronebay on those ships and you know why the frigates got their dronebay sizes.

Anyways I do wish it was the other way around, sentinel based on the lach with it's bonusses to damps and scramble range and having 5 mids. And the keres having the utter shite neut and tracking disruptor bonus and a nice large dronebay to play around with.

Larania Hypax
Meltd0wn
Imperial Republic Of the North
Posted - 2007.10.23 22:03:00 - [16]
 

Its a god damn DRONE BOAT, with Creodron as manufacturer. Why would it have less drone capability than the Ishtar? Less dronebay than the Ishtar was ok, therefor it has the turret dmg bonus and a nice amount of turrets, but now only fielding medium drones? Ridiculous!
Cut the 2 turrets and give it back the capability of using 5 heavy drones, with 5 turrets and no drone damage bonus the damage should be similar to the Ishtar and would makeup for the lack of the drone dmg bonus!
I honostly can't imagine who would fly an EOS anymore after this nerf. I can't believe this.

Banzai OdiN
Caldari
Posted - 2007.10.23 22:17:00 - [17]
 

I had a fit of rage on SiSi at one point Embarassed and talked to the devs and insisted i talked to one of the balance guys Embarassed and htye said just discuss it on the forums so, discuss!

R'adeh
Gallente
Storm Solutions
Posted - 2007.10.23 22:37:00 - [18]
 

Wow, I've never seen so many unnecessary, uncalled for, useless, and bad changes in a single patch in almost 3 years of playing EVE.

No offense CCP, but I really hope you come to your senses and don't over-nerf everything because of all the whiners Neutral

VaderDSL
Invicta.
Advocated Destruction
Posted - 2007.10.23 22:39:00 - [19]
 

Yes finally! I fly an Eos primarily, it was too powerful.

The next step on the right path is including some form of warfare link cap reduction bonus!

Jerai Timelsin
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.10.23 22:39:00 - [20]
 

So many people have been trolling about Gallente that the nerf was bound to come soon. I think it's NOT unbalanced; drones are a big ISK sink and easy to loose against decent opponents. Eos was good fun, and not stupid. Officer kit made it excelent but cost a fortune; as it should. Nerfing makes me a bit sick realy

Devian 666
Transmetropolitan
Posted - 2007.10.23 22:47:00 - [21]
 

Clearly this is my fault. Every time I train for a ship it gets nerfed and I started the command ships skill yesterday.

Lucky I know about this now so I can leave the eos training for some point in the future rather than the next two weeks, and won't bother sinking the isk into an eos.

Tek'a Rain
Gallente
Collegium Mechanicae
Posted - 2007.10.23 22:57:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: wrangler

Drones Revisited

"About time" is probably the first thing that comes to mind. Not only are we improving the interface, we're working on the logic behind them. This should hopefully lead to them being more consistent in control and abolish their free will. Assist and Guard are new commands coming in, we're getting lots of new named drones and we're adding a new constraint on drones, bandwidth. With this, bandwidth determines the number of drones you can control, allowing the dronebay to be considerably increased on drone ships, accommodating more waves or variety. Ubar? Ja!

Edit note: Bandwidth referenced here is not in reference to your internet connection. It's to un-nerf specialized drone ships and allow more differentiation between ships. There is also specific Drone Region content in this update.


somehow, this translated through Game Development and become Nerf Eos and myrmi, and break carriers and Moms.

couldn't he have said "just reprocess your drone ships now, we will explain later"

Serret Nevets
Gallente
Posted - 2007.10.23 23:17:00 - [23]
 

what a stupid nerf. lol, what a joke. who the he11 would be stupid enough to train and fly that piece of [email protected] Eos now? What would be the point of training for this ship? Waste of time. Train for Veldspar Processing, or are you going to nerf that too?

now, Gallente has two [email protected] assault frigs. lol, too funny. buy a Navy Vexor, it does more damage than a command ship and 1/10th the training time. CCP is a joke.

I don't understand why there always has to be a nerf. Nerf this, nerf that. Why can't you fluff instead? Instead of making good ships weak junk, why not make suckie ships better? Oooh what a thought. Naah, lets just make everything junk.

By the way a vega with 1/2 the speed. that's what's needed. They're too uber and need a huge nerf. Oh yeah, and the Crow, nerf that too. Only one missile bay allowed, it's much too powerful. Didn't mention Amarr cause they got whacked last patch to the Curse and the Kunar ships.

Train for Hello Kitty Online started.

Alex Under
H A V O C
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2007.10.24 00:24:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Larania Hypax
Its a god damn DRONE BOAT, with Creodron as manufacturer. Why would it have less drone capability than the Ishtar? Less dronebay than the Ishtar was ok, therefor it has the turret dmg bonus and a nice amount of turrets, but now only fielding medium drones? Ridiculous!
Cut the 2 turrets and give it back the capability of using 5 heavy drones, with 5 turrets and no drone damage bonus the damage should be similar to the Ishtar and would makeup for the lack of the drone dmg bonus!
I honostly can't imagine who would fly an EOS anymore after this nerf. I can't believe this.


QFT.
I certainly won't bother flying an EOS if they go with these changes to it. 15m3 instead of 50m3 and only able to field Medium drones and also remove two guns... WTF CCP?

Who's proposing these changes? Seriously, we're paying your salaries with our monthly fees so you can come up with this crap? How about you fix the 999 bugs that are still outstanding with this game?

WTS: 2x 50 million SP characters Exclamation

kattak4
TOMFOOLERY.
Posted - 2007.10.24 01:33:00 - [25]
 

drone ship pilots, it's time to abandon pvp and start mining veld!

or will that lead to a mining drone nerf?

this nerf is awesome..

Admiral Seafort
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.10.24 01:40:00 - [26]
 

This nerf really doesn't make much sense. CCP seems to love the concept of every ship having some type of role that it is supposed to perform, some niche into which it fits. Well having removed 2/3 of the things at which the Eos was effective (guns and drones, the only thing left is tank), we are left with an expensive, skill-intensive ship that can field a run-of-the-mill tank for ships of its class.

I wonder what "role" CCP has envisioned for the new Eos. Paperweight? Cannon fodder? It's not even good at bait because its tank is active only. By nerfing its drones, it is also significantly hindered in the only remaining role imaginable (support) because it can no longer field Heavy Maintenance drones.

And if the "role" is Information Warfare Links, I would invite CCP to reconsider whether we are discussing the same game.

Arana Tellen
Gallente
Clan Death Corps
Posted - 2007.10.24 01:43:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Admiral Seafort
This nerf really doesn't make much sense. CCP seems to love the concept of every ship having some type of role that it is supposed to perform, some niche into which it fits. Well having removed 2/3 of the things at which the Eos was effective (guns and drones, the only thing left is tank), we are left with an expensive, skill-intensive ship that can field a run-of-the-mill tank for ships of its class.

I wonder what "role" CCP has envisioned for the new Eos. Paperweight? Cannon fodder? It's not even good at bait because its tank is active only. By nerfing its drones, it is also significantly hindered in the only remaining role imaginable (support) because it can no longer field Heavy Maintenance drones.

And if the "role" is Information Warfare Links, I would invite CCP to reconsider whether we are discussing the same game.


Its similar to all the other ships in its class. Combine its Ewar range bonuses with the new attack frigs or the heavy dictors and it will bring pain from a new distance so shush you.

50freefly
Caldari
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2007.10.24 02:09:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Admiral Seafort
This nerf really doesn't make much sense. CCP seems to love the concept of every ship having some type of role that it is supposed to perform, some niche into which it fits. Well having removed 2/3 of the things at which the Eos was effective (guns and drones, the only thing left is tank), we are left with an expensive, skill-intensive ship that can field a run-of-the-mill tank for ships of its class.

I wonder what "role" CCP has envisioned for the new Eos. Paperweight? Cannon fodder? It's not even good at bait because its tank is active only. By nerfing its drones, it is also significantly hindered in the only remaining role imaginable (support) because it can no longer field Heavy Maintenance drones.

And if the "role" is Information Warfare Links, I would invite CCP to reconsider whether we are discussing the same game.


It has the worst tank of all the field command ships, don't forget.

And TBH ccp this is Shocked...

I thought you said that if you were gonna nerf the kind of drones we could use we were gonna get bigger drone bays? So much for that, now rather than 300 bay at CS level 5 it gets 225. That's far less than I'm getting right now at 4.

And WHY THE HECK did it need a nerf anyways? Why? Yeah it could do the most dps of the field commands but it has the worst tank and arguably the least important gang links.

So CCP, what gives?


Haerana
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.10.24 02:16:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: 50freefly
Originally by: Admiral Seafort
This nerf really doesn't make much sense. CCP seems to love the concept of every ship having some type of role that it is supposed to perform, some niche into which it fits. Well having removed 2/3 of the things at which the Eos was effective (guns and drones, the only thing left is tank), we are left with an expensive, skill-intensive ship that can field a run-of-the-mill tank for ships of its class.

I wonder what "role" CCP has envisioned for the new Eos. Paperweight? Cannon fodder? It's not even good at bait because its tank is active only. By nerfing its drones, it is also significantly hindered in the only remaining role imaginable (support) because it can no longer field Heavy Maintenance drones.

And if the "role" is Information Warfare Links, I would invite CCP to reconsider whether we are discussing the same game.


It has the worst tank of all the field command ships, don't forget.

And TBH ccp this is Shocked...

I thought you said that if you were gonna nerf the kind of drones we could use we were gonna get bigger drone bays? So much for that, now rather than 300 bay at CS level 5 it gets 225. That's far less than I'm getting right now at 4.

And WHY THE HECK did it need a nerf anyways? Why? Yeah it could do the most dps of the field commands but it has the worst tank and arguably the least important gang links.

So CCP, what gives?




QFT
and a <3 for you 50

Bellum Eternus
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2007.10.24 02:30:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Haerana
Originally by: 50freefly
Originally by: Admiral Seafort
This nerf really doesn't make much sense. CCP seems to love the concept of every ship having some type of role that it is supposed to perform, some niche into which it fits. Well having removed 2/3 of the things at which the Eos was effective (guns and drones, the only thing left is tank), we are left with an expensive, skill-intensive ship that can field a run-of-the-mill tank for ships of its class.

I wonder what "role" CCP has envisioned for the new Eos. Paperweight? Cannon fodder? It's not even good at bait because its tank is active only. By nerfing its drones, it is also significantly hindered in the only remaining role imaginable (support) because it can no longer field Heavy Maintenance drones.

And if the "role" is Information Warfare Links, I would invite CCP to reconsider whether we are discussing the same game.


It has the worst tank of all the field command ships, don't forget.

And TBH ccp this is Shocked...

I thought you said that if you were gonna nerf the kind of drones we could use we were gonna get bigger drone bays? So much for that, now rather than 300 bay at CS level 5 it gets 225. That's far less than I'm getting right now at 4.

And WHY THE HECK did it need a nerf anyways? Why? Yeah it could do the most dps of the field commands but it has the worst tank and arguably the least important gang links.

So CCP, what gives?




QFT
and a <3 for you 50


50 and I agree on something. Laughing


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