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Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2007.10.18 11:41:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: Banana Torres
Originally by: Eval B'Stard

The point is you are not breaking any laws by purchasing GTC's in $'s / the Vendor is.

You are responsible for paying VAT and duty on any goods that you import into the country.

However Her Majesties Revenue and Customs officers allow a certain leeway on this. You don't have to pay if the VAT due is less than 18 and the duty is less than 7.

So, unless you are funding a war using GTCs, you won't have to pay anything to the government.

The relevant page on the HM Revenu & Customs website is here

Does not apply to electronic services.
Quote:
Why is the VAT exemption for small consignments (containing physical goods) not also applied to digital services so as to ensure equity?

There is no realistic way of applying such a threshold to electronic transactions. Traders providing electronic services have never, in fact, seriously pursued this issue.

In fact, the VAT exemption for small packages is giving rise to an increasing amount of market distortion with the increase in distance sales that has been facilitated by the Internet, and it is currently under review. The exemption is limited to goods the total value of which does not exceed 22. Member States also have the option of excluding from the exemption goods that are imported by mail.

Moreover, the exemption applies to the tax chargeable at import on physical goods and it is the purchaser who benefits from the threshold. The exemption, which runs counter to the fundamental principle of VAT as a broad-based tax on consumption, is provided for practical reasons to avoid the need to collect small amounts of tax from private consumers. This does not apply to digital services where the tax will be collected by suppliers.


Kaakao
Insidious Existence
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.10.18 12:13:00 - [92]
 

iPhone in US = 399 USD
iPhone in france/italy (cant remember which one, coming 'soon') = 399 EUR

Now that is what ****es me off. I pay the same amount in EUR that Americans pay in USD from many things.. not cheap to live in EU ugh

Darkwolfi
Posted - 2007.10.18 18:05:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: Kaakao
iPhone in US = 399 USD
iPhone in france/italy (cant remember which one, coming 'soon') = 399 EUR

Now that is what ****es me off. I pay the same amount in EUR that Americans pay in USD from many things.. not cheap to live in EU ugh


It's the grand conspiracy theme of saving the US economy YARRRR!!

Lilan Kahn
Amarr
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2007.10.18 22:40:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: Terminus adacai
Regardless of what the dollar is worth in your country, it is still a dollar here. We Americans do not get adjusted salaries based on the value of the euro, contrary to your belief. $14.95 is still $14.95 to us.




Course your dolla suck dosnt mean you get a discount on buying international services.


Elmicker
Wreckless Abandon
Posted - 2007.10.18 22:44:00 - [95]
 

@ whoever was asking why i was bothered:

Because i have to jump headfirst into a legal grey area to pay the same amount as others who receive exactly the same service as me. I'd be happy to just pay VAT @ 17.5%, but 40% just takes the ****.

Estel Arador
Posted - 2007.10.18 22:53:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: Elmicker
@ whoever was asking why i was bothered:

Because i have to jump headfirst into a legal grey area to pay the same amount as others who receive exactly the same service as me. I'd be happy to just pay VAT @ 17.5%, but 40% just takes the ****.


You're confusing the difference in pricing and the VAT. It should be clear by now that only part of the difference is VAT; you are not paying more VAT just because the USD has dropped.

Elmicker
Wreckless Abandon
Posted - 2007.10.18 22:54:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: Estel Arador
You're confusing the difference in pricing and the VAT. It should be clear by now that only part of the difference is VAT; you are not paying more VAT just because the USD has dropped.


Yes. That's exactly what i'm saying. I'd be happy if the price difference was JUST vat. but it isn't. There's a huge gulf between the prices simply because CCP refuse to alter their currency conversions, which were apparently done 7 years ago.

Lilan Kahn
Amarr
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2007.10.19 00:05:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: Elmicker
Originally by: Estel Arador
You're confusing the difference in pricing and the VAT. It should be clear by now that only part of the difference is VAT; you are not paying more VAT just because the USD has dropped.


Yes. That's exactly what i'm saying. I'd be happy if the price difference was JUST vat. but it isn't. There's a huge gulf between the prices simply because CCP refuse to alter their currency conversions, which were apparently done 7 years ago.


its due to there being more euros so we are tanking the price diference so they dont lose money on the poor yanks

Etchyboy
Minmatar
Firman AB
101010 Alliance
Posted - 2007.10.19 01:27:00 - [99]
 

I have a question.... who the heck gets all the VAT that you guys pay? Whoever it is rolling in the cash I would imagine!

Etchyboy
Minmatar
Firman AB
101010 Alliance
Posted - 2007.10.19 01:31:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: Kaakao
iPhone in US = 399 USD
iPhone in france/italy (cant remember which one, coming 'soon') = 399 EUR

Now that is what ****es me off. I pay the same amount in EUR that Americans pay in USD from many things.. not cheap to live in EU ugh


I saw the same thing and I thought it wasnt fair either. Then they pointed out it costs alot more to do business in EU then it does anywhere else in the world. I think that is messed up and unfair to you guys as well.

Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
Posted - 2007.10.19 01:46:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: Darkwolfi
Originally by: Kaakao
iPhone in US = 399 USD
iPhone in france/italy (cant remember which one, coming 'soon') = 399 EUR

Now that is what ****es me off. I pay the same amount in EUR that Americans pay in USD from many things.. not cheap to live in EU ugh


It's the grand conspiracy theme of saving the US economy YARRRR!!


I don't even know why they bother, all great things must come to an end. And the US economy is definately one of them.

Akundi
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2007.10.19 01:59:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: Taedrin
Originally by: Darkwolfi
Originally by: Kaakao
iPhone in US = 399 USD
iPhone in france/italy (cant remember which one, coming 'soon') = 399 EUR

Now that is what ****es me off. I pay the same amount in EUR that Americans pay in USD from many things.. not cheap to live in EU ugh


It's the grand conspiracy theme of saving the US economy YARRRR!!


I don't even know why they bother, all great things must come to an end. And the US economy is definately one of them.

Your european economy has been "ended" for about a century. When does that great thing come to an end? Lets hope not soon.

Andrue
Amarr
Posted - 2007.10.19 10:08:00 - [103]
 

Edited by: Andrue on 19/10/2007 10:10:37
Originally by: Akundi
Originally by: Taedrin
Originally by: Darkwolfi
Originally by: Kaakao
iPhone in US = 399 USD
iPhone in france/italy (cant remember which one, coming 'soon') = 399 EUR

Now that is what ****es me off. I pay the same amount in EUR that Americans pay in USD from many things.. not cheap to live in EU ugh


It's the grand conspiracy theme of saving the US economy YARRRR!!


I don't even know why they bother, all great things must come to an end. And the US economy is definately one of them.

Your european economy has been "ended" for about a century. When does that great thing come to an end? Lets hope not soon.
Heh. Right now the world seems to be of the opinion that the EU economy is the stronger..and based on the figures coming out of the US it's hard to disagree.

I just hope the Dollar doesn't collapse too far too fast. It wouldn't be good for anyone.

Admiral Nova
Strike Team Nova
Posted - 2007.10.19 11:26:00 - [104]
 

Originally by: Andrue
..and based on the figures coming out of the US it's hard to disagree.


Yep, not just vs. the Euro but vs. All currencies. AUD vs USD is @ 23 year record highs. Eve for me has never been cheaper. \o/.

The basics are that Eve has not increased in price for just about ANYONE since release. It has decreased in price for most people paying in USD... except well for those people that earn USD also. For whom it's the same.


Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Posted - 2007.10.19 11:43:00 - [105]
 

and not to forget: USA people gets ISK cheaper than EUR people!! Evil or Very MadEvil or Very Mad

Akundi
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2007.10.20 03:02:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: Andrue
Edited by: Andrue on 19/10/2007 10:10:37
Originally by: Akundi
Originally by: Taedrin
Originally by: Darkwolfi
Originally by: Kaakao
iPhone in US = 399 USD
iPhone in france/italy (cant remember which one, coming 'soon') = 399 EUR

Now that is what ****es me off. I pay the same amount in EUR that Americans pay in USD from many things.. not cheap to live in EU ugh


It's the grand conspiracy theme of saving the US economy YARRRR!!


I don't even know why they bother, all great things must come to an end. And the US economy is definately one of them.

Your european economy has been "ended" for about a century. When does that great thing come to an end? Lets hope not soon.
Heh. Right now the world seems to be of the opinion that the EU economy is the stronger..and based on the figures coming out of the US it's hard to disagree.

I just hope the Dollar doesn't collapse too far too fast. It wouldn't be good for anyone.

Hi. Internet research wrecks you for 1337 dmg.

United States of America GDP Growth: 3.8% http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2007-09-27-gdp_N.htm
ALL OF EUROPE'S GDP Growth: 0.5% http://ec.europa.eu/economy_finance/indicators/euroareagdp/2007/press_gdp_20071011en.pdf

Now GTFO and learn to make money.

Spenz
Gallente
PCG Enterprises
Huzzah Federation
Posted - 2007.10.20 03:13:00 - [107]
 

Edited by: Spenz on 20/10/2007 03:15:08
Edited by: Spenz on 20/10/2007 03:13:47
Originally by: Akundi
Originally by: Andrue
Heh. Right now the world seems to be of the opinion that the EU economy is the stronger..and based on the figures coming out of the US it's hard to disagree.

I just hope the Dollar doesn't collapse too far too fast. It wouldn't be good for anyone.

Hi. Internet research wrecks you for 1337 dmg.

United States of America GDP Growth: 3.8% http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2007-09-27-gdp_N.htm
ALL OF EUROPE'S GDP Growth: 0.5% http://ec.europa.eu/economy_finance/indicators/euroareagdp/2007/press_gdp_20071011en.pdf

Now GTFO and learn to make money.


Pwned for serious wrecking dmg. The dollar is weak but don't mistaken it as the end of the US economy. If it was the end the DOW would still be at 9k and unemployment would be higher than in France.

Akundi
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2007.10.20 03:53:00 - [108]
 

Originally by: Spenz
Edited by: Spenz on 20/10/2007 03:15:08
Edited by: Spenz on 20/10/2007 03:13:47
Originally by: Akundi
Originally by: Andrue
Heh. Right now the world seems to be of the opinion that the EU economy is the stronger..and based on the figures coming out of the US it's hard to disagree.

I just hope the Dollar doesn't collapse too far too fast. It wouldn't be good for anyone.

Hi. Internet research wrecks you for 1337 dmg.

United States of America GDP Growth: 3.8% http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2007-09-27-gdp_N.htm
ALL OF EUROPE'S GDP Growth: 0.5% http://ec.europa.eu/economy_finance/indicators/euroareagdp/2007/press_gdp_20071011en.pdf

Now GTFO and learn to make money.


Pwned for serious wrecking dmg. The dollar is weak but don't mistaken it as the end of the US economy. If it was the end the DOW would still be at 9k and unemployment would be higher than in France.

This man knows his internets well. Listen and learn.

Lilan Kahn
Amarr
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2007.10.20 10:48:00 - [109]
 

Originally by: Spenz
Edited by: Spenz on 20/10/2007 03:15:08
Edited by: Spenz on 20/10/2007 03:13:47
Originally by: Akundi
Originally by: Andrue
Heh. Right now the world seems to be of the opinion that the EU economy is the stronger..and based on the figures coming out of the US it's hard to disagree.

I just hope the Dollar doesn't collapse too far too fast. It wouldn't be good for anyone.

Hi. Internet research wrecks you for 1337 dmg.

United States of America GDP Growth: 3.8% http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2007-09-27-gdp_N.htm
ALL OF EUROPE'S GDP Growth: 0.5% http://ec.europa.eu/economy_finance/indicators/euroareagdp/2007/press_gdp_20071011en.pdf

Now GTFO and learn to make money.


Pwned for serious wrecking dmg. The dollar is weak but don't mistaken it as the end of the US economy. If it was the end the DOW would still be at 9k and unemployment would be higher than in France.


Germany started geting there economy in to gear for the first time since the fall of the wall, where i live there is less than 2% unemployment rate and the trend is showing in most of wurope the reason the overal eu economy dosnt look that strong is the recent absorption of the old easteren contrys

KapnKaboom
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2007.10.20 13:24:00 - [110]
 

Originally by: Spenz
Edited by: Spenz on 20/10/2007 03:15:08
Edited by: Spenz on 20/10/2007 03:13:47
Originally by: Akundi
Originally by: Andrue
Heh. Right now the world seems to be of the opinion that the EU economy is the stronger..and based on the figures coming out of the US it's hard to disagree.

I just hope the Dollar doesn't collapse too far too fast. It wouldn't be good for anyone.

Hi. Internet research wrecks you for 1337 dmg.

United States of America GDP Growth: 3.8% http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2007-09-27-gdp_N.htm
ALL OF EUROPE'S GDP Growth: 0.5% http://ec.europa.eu/economy_finance/indicators/euroareagdp/2007/press_gdp_20071011en.pdf

Now GTFO and learn to make money.


Pwned for serious wrecking dmg. The dollar is weak but don't mistaken it as the end of the US economy. If it was the end the DOW would still be at 9k and unemployment would be higher than in France.


The true US unemployment rate may actually be higher than France's right now. The US unemployment rate is calculated solely based on the number of people collecting unemployment, which you can only do for 6 months. After those 6 months are up, even if you are still unemployed, you are no longer considered officially unemployed by the 'system' and are no longer counted. You'll find that there are a large number of folks who are still very much unemployed right now that aren't counted because of this. It's a nice little propaganda tool we Americans have to fool the rest of the world into thinking everything is wonderful over here. ;-)

Mrsticks
Minmatar
RNCGM Inc.
Posted - 2007.10.20 14:45:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: KapnKaboom
Originally by: Spenz
Edited by: Spenz on 20/10/2007 03:15:08
Edited by: Spenz on 20/10/2007 03:13:47
Originally by: Akundi
Originally by: Andrue
Heh. Right now the world seems to be of the opinion that the EU economy is the stronger..and based on the figures coming out of the US it's hard to disagree.

I just hope the Dollar doesn't collapse too far too fast. It wouldn't be good for anyone.

Hi. Internet research wrecks you for 1337 dmg.

United States of America GDP Growth: 3.8% http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2007-09-27-gdp_N.htm
ALL OF EUROPE'S GDP Growth: 0.5% http://ec.europa.eu/economy_finance/indicators/euroareagdp/2007/press_gdp_20071011en.pdf

Now GTFO and learn to make money.


Pwned for serious wrecking dmg. The dollar is weak but don't mistaken it as the end of the US economy. If it was the end the DOW would still be at 9k and unemployment would be higher than in France.


The true US unemployment rate may actually be higher than France's right now. The US unemployment rate is calculated solely based on the number of people collecting unemployment, which you can only do for 6 months. After those 6 months are up, even if you are still unemployed, you are no longer considered officially unemployed by the 'system' and are no longer counted. You'll find that there are a large number of folks who are still very much unemployed right now that aren't counted because of this. It's a nice little propaganda tool we Americans have to fool the rest of the world into thinking everything is wonderful over here. ;-)


This is true it is based off of Unemployment. That said if we Did have higher Unemployment then companys wouldent Constantly be highering people and almost Every company Ive talked to in the last 5 Years wouldent be complaining of being Under staffed. So Id say that were Dooing Pritty good as far as Jobs go...Now to kick the damn dollar in the Bum and make it grow again.

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2007.10.20 15:47:00 - [112]
 

Originally by: Akundi

Now GTFO and learn to make money.


/me takes a look at the US vs Euro trade balance deficits and laughs, hard.

Astronoe
Weatherlight inc
Posted - 2007.10.20 16:29:00 - [113]
 

So Mr. Wrangler ! How can i change the currency i'm paying from Euro to USD ? Should i petition it Question

Stephen HB
Mystical Knights
Malum Exuro
Posted - 2007.10.20 16:33:00 - [114]
 

Since I live in Australia, beyond the insipid grasp of the idiot-child socialist wonderland you call the EU, I find the currently weak US$ to be quite convenient Cool

theteck
Posted - 2007.10.20 16:39:00 - [115]
 

why i pay with gtc because i buy in us and have to pay less than cnd dollar

...

Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Umbra Synergy
Posted - 2007.10.20 16:40:00 - [116]
 

CA dolla ftw!

Celvice Klein
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
Posted - 2007.10.20 17:03:00 - [117]
 

Edited by: Celvice Klein on 20/10/2007 17:03:54
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
CA dolla ftw!


I was just about to say that. Not too long ago we woulda been paying close to $25 CDN, now we're down to $14.6 CDN. A high-school dropout can make more than that in an hour if he/she's a good worker (in north Alberta or Red Deer, atleast).

As for the US vs euro cost, there would be a lot more complicated calculations to figure out the true cost to the customer (e.g. monthly cost as % of per capita income for the demographic that constitutes the majority of the player base or some fancy thing like that).

Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Umbra Synergy
Posted - 2007.10.20 17:10:00 - [118]
 

Grande Prairie REPRESENT! lol

BTW Red Deer sucks Razz


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