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EvE Justice
Gallente
The Ancient Race
Posted - 2007.10.16 21:33:00 - [1]
 

Username: *****
Next: 16. November 2007
14.95 EUR

Username: *****
Next: 17. October 2007
14.95 USD

Username: *****
Next: 23. October 2007
14.95 USD

Currently i own 3 accounts and i live in europe,2 of my accounts are from early 2003 and up to now i pay with my credit card in USD, my third account is less then a year old and i pay the same ammount in euro, and as you can see is mutch more expensive then the other 2, you may ask why would i point this to the public and not keep my mouth shut WELL i am like this and my question is WHY.?

CCP ?

Estel Arador
Posted - 2007.10.16 21:34:00 - [2]
 

Short Answer: VAT
Long Answer: use forum search (or eve-search)

Nocturnal Avenger
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2007.10.16 21:41:00 - [3]
 

This has been publicly well known for ages.

If you can't switch your euro-account to USD, just buy GTC from shattered crystal using a pay-pal account (and USD) of course.

Kayna Eelai
Gallente
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
Posted - 2007.10.16 21:49:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: EvE Justice
Username: *****
Next: 16. November 2007
14.95 EUR

Username: *****
Next: 17. October 2007
14.95 USD

Username: *****
Next: 23. October 2007
14.95 USD

Currently i own 3 accounts and i live in europe,2 of my accounts are from early 2003 and up to now i pay with my credit card in USD, my third account is less then a year old and i pay the same ammount in euro, and as you can see is mutch more expensive then the other 2, you may ask why would i point this to the public and not keep my mouth shut WELL i am like this and my question is WHY.?

CCP ?


why does a hamburger cost different in the US and in EU? and the fuel? and the water? and and and... you think it's air you're breathing now?

EvE Justice
Gallente
The Ancient Race
Posted - 2007.10.16 22:01:00 - [5]
 

Well maybe i have not been so clear .. i do not have a problem if all my accounts where in euro or usd, i earn good money from my work to be able to pay eve in euro or usd.

MY QUESTION IS why my 2 accounts charged in USD and 1 in EU, there is no logic to this..

or ?


Estel Arador
Posted - 2007.10.16 22:05:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: EvE Justice
MY QUESTION IS why my 2 accounts charged in USD and 1 in EU, there is no logic to this..

or ?




Contact Billing - I doubt they'll have a problem switching the USD accounts into EUR accounts...

CCP Wrangler

Posted - 2007.10.16 22:06:00 - [7]
 

If you live in EU you should pay in EUR, if you live outside the EU you should pay in USD

Kayna Eelai
Gallente
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
Posted - 2007.10.16 22:08:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
If you live in EU you should pay in EUR, if you live outside the EU you should pay in USD

maybe u could elaborate and explain how to change that? where exactly can he chose the currency?

Elmicker
Wreckless Abandon
Posted - 2007.10.16 22:09:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Elmicker on 16/10/2007 22:09:37
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
If you live in EU you should pay in EUR, if you live outside the EU you should pay in USD


That's a 40% difference in price for europeans. How is that accounted for?

Estel Arador
Posted - 2007.10.16 22:11:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Elmicker
That's a 40% difference in price for europeans. How is that accounted for?


Partly European VAT, partly the dollar dropping like a rock (if prices get adjusted the dollar subscriptions will cost more, not the euro subs less)

EvE Justice
Gallente
The Ancient Race
Posted - 2007.10.16 22:12:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Estel Arador
Contact Billing - I doubt they'll have a problem switching the USD accounts into EUR accounts...


Do you really beleive this ? Have you see lately what is going on with all this people and the problems they have with re activacion of there accounts, or what happens when they try to change Credit Card details ?

CCP ?

EvE Justice
Gallente
The Ancient Race
Posted - 2007.10.16 22:14:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
If you live in EU you should pay in EUR, if you live outside the EU you should pay in USD


thanks Cool

Estel Arador
Posted - 2007.10.16 22:14:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: EvE Justice
Do you really beleive this ? Have you see lately what is going on with all this people and the problems they have with re activacion of there accounts, or what happens when they try to change Credit Card details ?
CCP ?


Yes I really believe that. They had great service when I had a billing problem a few weeks ago. Changing the currency shouldn't be a problem at all for them.

KhaniKirai
Posted - 2007.10.16 22:15:00 - [14]
 

So why do we have to pay different prices then ccp?

And dont come up with the vat, because the vat is WAY lower then the exchange rate difference.

Estel Arador
Posted - 2007.10.16 22:16:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: KhaniKirai
So why do we have to pay different prices then ccp?

And dont come up with the vat, because the vat is WAY lower then the exchange rate difference.



Post 10, this thread

CCP Wrangler

Posted - 2007.10.16 22:17:00 - [16]
 

I don't know exactly how what currency you pay in is decided, but we can easily change it if you're paying in the wrong currency.

EvE Justice
Gallente
The Ancient Race
Posted - 2007.10.16 22:19:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: EvE Justice on 16/10/2007 22:20:30
Originally by: Estel Arador
Yes I really believe that. They had great service when I had a billing problem a few weeks ago. Changing the currency shouldn't be a problem at all for them.


thanks you .. It is nice to know this cause i was a bit worried, now my trust to the well oiled CCP accounts department is restored.

Elmicker
Wreckless Abandon
Posted - 2007.10.16 22:24:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Elmicker on 16/10/2007 22:25:39
Originally by: Estel Arador
Partly European VAT, partly the dollar dropping like a rock (if prices get adjusted the dollar subscriptions will cost more, not the euro subs less)


So we're paying 15% over the maximum allowed rate of VAT (25%, actually more than that in almost all cases) because CCP can't be arsed to adjust their prices for a currency that has been at approximately 1.3-4:1 usd:eur for several months now?

(Or non-europeans are getting the equivalent discount, whichever way you look at it. But it shouldn't be this way - the taxed rate should not be the base)

Estel Arador
Posted - 2007.10.16 22:29:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Elmicker
So we're paying 15% over the maximum allowed rate of VAT (25%, actually more than that in almost all cases) because CCP can't be arsed to adjust their prices for a currency that has been at approximately 1.3-4:1 usd:eur for several months now?

(Or non-europeans are getting the equivalent discount, whichever way you look at it. But it shouldn't be this way - the taxed rate should not be the base)


No, part of the difference can be explained by VAT (making the EUR prices a little higher) and part of the difference can be explained by the dollar dropping (making the USD prices a little lower). If prices get adjusted, the USD price will rise while the EUR price stays put.

Elmicker
Wreckless Abandon
Posted - 2007.10.16 22:32:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Elmicker on 16/10/2007 22:36:23
Originally by: Estel Arador
If prices get adjusted, the USD price will rise while the EUR price stays put.


And? ATM we're paying through the teeth (well, we're not, most of us probably use american ETCs) in comparison to non-europeans who are getting a huge discount because of ccp's crappy practices with regards to currency.

If i buy something via paypal, i'm charged the correct rate of VAT, and am given a very fair currency exchange. All the while CCP are charging a rate of VAT that's 7.5% over my country's, and then putting another 15% on top and saying "Weak dollar", which is utter *******s because the dollar's been that weak for months on end. The recent crises are a matter of mere cents, if that.

(ok, i'm looking at it in reverse. If you wish, i'm being charged ths standard rates, and americans are getting a 40% discount due to an overestimated tax and ridiculously outdated currency conversions)

Slayton Ford
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.10.16 22:38:00 - [21]
 

You know, as a American, there I times I appreciate the devalued dollar.

Mad Axe
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.10.16 22:43:00 - [22]
 

USD=EUR, for example you pay the same number of curency for 1 gallon of fuel as you do for 1L of fuel Laughing

Ander
Gallente
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.10.16 22:55:00 - [23]
 

While lots of new signups are european.. can us affiliate sites please get paid in euro instead of the sucky USD?

Two years ago affiliates would make much more than we do today but the payouts havent been adjusted at all.

Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
Posted - 2007.10.16 22:56:00 - [24]
 

I was paying in the not so mighty dollar using my credit card. I wanted to change the period but if I did I would have had to use euros. So I left well alone.

But then one day I couldn't log in. Someone at CCP had decided that as peon of Betty 2 I had to pay in euros.

Of course, I bought a timecard, in dollars.

So, CCP, your devious plan to make me pay in euros backfired. Even worse for you, I feel less tied in to you now. I can take a break without worrying that I will have to pay more when I return.

Nocturnal Avenger
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2007.10.16 22:58:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Mad Axe
USD=EUR, for example you pay the same number of curency for 1 gallon of fuel as you do for 1L of fuel Laughing


That was mean :D

Gabba
Priory Of The Lemon
Posted - 2007.10.16 22:59:00 - [26]
 

Yeah but we arent creating a huge deficit keeping it that way, your kids will be paying for the gallons those nice 1.5 ton trucks are using Twisted Evil

Elmicker
Wreckless Abandon
Posted - 2007.10.16 23:01:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Nocturnal Avenger
Originally by: Mad Axe
USD=EUR, for example you pay the same number of curency for 1 gallon of fuel as you do for 1L of fuel Laughing


That was mean :D


Mean and innaccurate. The price difference there is entirely the cost of importation and taxation. There isn't a magical 15% discount/tariff that's been slipped in and passed off as a weak currency.

Admiral Nova
Strike Team Nova
Posted - 2007.10.17 05:43:00 - [28]
 

I'd be quiet about things like this :p

See, originally the dollar was only slightly lower than the Euro, and in the EU you have to pay VAT, so the EU price took this into account.

Now the Dollar is dropping like a rock, what is likely to happen is the USD price would increase rather than the EU price decrease, but my bet is CCP are trying to treat their customers nicely and not passing on that cost.

If you are in the EU, and are paying with USD, it's you that are avoiding the VAT, and subject to whatever legal repercussions that entails. If CCP were not to pay the VAT on your behalf on subscriptions, it would be they who would be in legal hot water.

Kayna Eelai
Gallente
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
Posted - 2007.10.17 06:30:00 - [29]
 

actually, if u can buy timecodes in dollars (aka: for LESS money) then all this stupid thing of having different currency is nonsense.

CCP, aren't u islandinc? what currency do you use there? go, charge in that currency and let paypal or VISA handle the exchange rate.

Nofonno
Amarr
Posted - 2007.10.17 06:40:00 - [30]
 

I would like someone from U.S.A. to set me straight here… Is there no VAT in U.S.A. or do you take your little credit card receipt, calculate your tax and pay it at the end of a fiscal year, perhaps?

However, I must pose this question: why aren't we all paying in ISK (Íslenska kronor)? Cool


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