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Erik Amirault
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2007.10.12 03:22:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Erik Amirault on 12/10/2007 04:32:57


From the Original Post

Originally by: Original Poster
Situation - Possible full evac


Last night I was up pretty late talking to some bob guys. What i heard was not good nor much respect to be quite honest.

Quotes out of TS:

"RISE is pretty much ****ed"
"Feythabolis atm is not the priority, will not be the priority for some time to come"
"What, i thought you guys left there already?"


LadyScarlet on the other hand thinks there were getting support to help us today, but as of last night she didnt know what kinda commitment they could honestly make.

Regardless of all of the hype bull****, we got bigger issues. M.Pire flipped on BoB, joined Goonswarm and have been promised the RHG constellation if they help take it. With M.PIRE + Goons + TCF, the proverbial hammer is coming down on us.

Given our issue at present... we need to take full advantage of BOB coming down here today/tomorrow to get our caps / primary gear out of this area IMO. I absolutely hate the thought of this and honestly couldnt sleep much last night thinking about it as I stand to loose more than most of the corps in rise combined (14 billion in assets in RIT station alone, personal).

There are many things that **** me off about this whole situation, mainly having to do with bob, considering the amount of time in the last month i have spent bonusing their fleets (MC/BOB), providing basic FC tactics for some encounters to financially supporting several members directly in our own alliance to have it all loss... cause its not convienant for BOB.

The rental agreement was simple and I know BOB would be here to kick us out if we didnt hold our end of the bargin up, yet they have helped a few times but essentially have not helped us out of our situation. Given the RIT constellation is a solid ground to stand if you want to suppress/fight an agressor they seem to have it not in their best interest to defend against it, yet happily accept our 6 billion in rent.

Regardless of how things go from this point on, intill our area is purged of hostile towers, i would expect not one more red cent be sent to BOB.

ATM I think we should have a council post listing all corp / alliance assets that require immediate removal from the area as a contengancy to ensure the loss is reduced if/when this constellation falls, and we loose stations.


CHOICE QUOTES FROM REPLIES

Quote:
When last I talked to Molle I asked about the possibility of pulling back behind the lines, and I don't think he really understood the gravity of the situation. I stopped before saying, "RISE wants out of Feyth - find us a home," because I'm not sure that's what we wanted.


Quote:
If Friday is the last bit of help we are going to get-- Time to pack up what we can, and I think we then have to question our position-- we paid rent for invasion protection basically-- if we are driven out our landlord did not hold up their end of the agreement. Maybe we accept a temporary new home while we plan the next move, but it shouldnt be to pay BoB 6 bill a month.


Quote:
Long-term plan?

Personally im done with rent, if we loose RHG I donít see the point in re-renting from BOB, Period, its obvious they cant keep their end of the bargain.


Continued in Post 7

Qeng Nuwen
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.10.12 03:23:00 - [2]
 

Nice to see the Rise directors have learned so well BoB's game.

Dramaticus
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.10.12 03:23:00 - [3]
 

The Mittani sends his regards.

Garregus
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.10.12 03:23:00 - [4]
 

three threads full of rise tears can this night get any better

Garregus
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.10.12 03:24:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Dramaticus
The Mittani sends his regards.


THERE IS NO MITTANI

Superbus Maximus
Gallente
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.10.12 03:25:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Superbus Maximus on 12/10/2007 03:52:58
5th in some sort of failure thread.

Erik Amirault
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2007.10.12 03:25:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Erik Amirault on 12/10/2007 03:34:52


Continuation from OP:

Quote:
Standings Reset?

Do we stay blue to BOB/MC? I like the some of the folks I have flown with in both alliances recently in FAT, but really donít like the disrespect I receive on TS. Last night on TS, I was almost ****ed enough to kill and pod 2 members in the gang I was in with them when they started disrespecting our alliance. I had to log off TS, because if I heard anymore, we would have a nasty blue on blue situation. I mean seriously!?, I logged in every day for the last 3 weeks to make sure their fleets had the option to get bonuses with 9.9 million s/p of leadership, max skirmish skills, in a command ship...giving them the little extra... i know its probably not that big of a deal to them, but I donít think thatís the way you treat an ally that spent so much time helping them take FAT. RISE represent a small bunch of pilots up there, but they had some of our best PVP'ers assisting their efforts. Etil, Seb, Dhan (recon/probing genius, setting up countless kills for them), myself bonusing from FC spot, sdchew, ....the list goes on... very solid, heavy playtime pvp'ers up there helping...and the respect we get is "Looks like you guys are ****ed"; "sorry dude, your not a priority"... Thatís the quotes i was getting from TS from several bob/mc members last night?!?


Quote:
If we pull back from RHG, I would suggest we pull back a hell of a lot farther than ZS-2LT. I've no problem continuing to stay in the GBC. But our logistics infrastructure isn't adequate enough to run a front line war this deep in 0.0 at this point.


Quote:
I have to agree with Rile: If BloB learns that we're leaving, I don't think they'll do a thing to cover a withdrawal. If they couldn't get their **** together to help out with something as simple as freighter bridging when it mattered, why would they put combat assets in harm's way to keep us from being hammered on the way out?

From everything I've seen so far, BloB proper is nothing but a pack of snotty, disloyal pricks. The only thing they have going for them is that the Goons are worse.



Quote:
I've tried my damnest, and in turn, failed miserably, to understand the crumbling morale, the grim faces, the unbearable whines, the lack of will to fight.


Quote:
I've fought for an entire week without having enough money to upgrade my own clone. I've seen the content of my personal wallet, my corp mates personal wallets, my corperate wallet poured into this cause without a split second of hesitation.



Quote:
I have to agree with Rile: If BloB learns that we're leaving, I don't think they'll do a thing to cover a withdrawal. If they couldn't get their **** together to help out with something as simple as freighter bridging when it mattered, why would they put combat assets in harm's way to keep us from being hammered on the way out?

From everything I've seen so far, BloB proper is nothing but a pack of snotty, disloyal pricks. The only thing they have going for them is that the Goons are worse.



Quote:
I've tried my damnest, and in turn, failed miserably, to understand the crumbling morale, the grim faces, the unbearable whines, the lack of will to fight.


Quote:
I've fought for an entire week without having enough money to upgrade my own clone. I've seen the content of my personal wallet, my corp mates personal wallets, my corperate wallet poured into this cause without a split second of hesitation.


Imperator Xu
Caldari
UNSPONSORED TRADE INC.
Posted - 2007.10.12 03:26:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Garregus
Originally by: Dramaticus
The Mittani sends his regards.


THERE IS NO MITTANI

Natas Dog
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.10.12 03:27:00 - [9]
 

Quote:
the Goons are worse.

This guy knows what he's talking about

arghy steelwill
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.10.12 03:29:00 - [10]
 

jeez someone go delete the other ones or decide who gets to post the proper one the mods are going to flip out

Natas Dog
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.10.12 03:31:00 - [11]
 

This one's probably better. He's picked out most of the good bits here.

Phelan Driscoll
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.10.12 03:36:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Natas Dog
This one's probably better. He's picked out most of the good bits here.



Yeah, dis thread is da best thread

Hrin
Minmatar
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.10.12 03:36:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Hrin on 12/10/2007 03:36:53
Quote:
I've sent two notes now asking for our OCT rent back. ATM I think Purge and Lokesh need to get in on the act.


I like this one. So front line pets DO pay rent, or, RISE High Council continues to tell its members that they pay rent and just pockets it.

Geoffrey Tolwyn
Amarr
The Triangle
Veneratio Venator Alliance
Posted - 2007.10.12 03:37:00 - [14]
 

Rise members feel free to shoot me an evemail in game. I'm prepared to offer very competitive prices for whatever assets you're not able to evac.

Infrala Psarian
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.10.12 03:39:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Infrala Psarian on 12/10/2007 03:40:14
Look, if RISE want to give away 6 billion per month and get nothing in return, the least they could do is give it to me. I promise I will do absolutely nothing to help you with it.

Erik Amirault
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2007.10.12 03:41:00 - [16]
 

BoB as a good renter? (From Fires of Heaven)

Quote:
No offense... BoB treats their pets and allies who aren't MC like utter ****. You guys talk down to us on TS and in chat. I remember one instance, back when I first joined RISE, where we joined BoB TS and were told to stfu. When one of our members accidentally talked over Sir Molle while giving a scouting report all RISE members were moved to a channel named "whiney noobs." Don't even get me started on the "pep talk" Yaay gave us. That was just plain insulting. Yet another time I was on BoB TS during an assault on FAT and a member of FIX stated that they had been a member of DICE. Someone in BoB then said "You left BoB for FIX? That's just plain stupid." I'm sure that made everyone in FIX feel soooooo warm and fuzzy inside.

Pretty asinine behavior towards an alliance that essentially protects your eastern flank. I don't blame M.Pire, an alliance can only take so much.


Does anyone fault MPIRE now?

Hrin
Minmatar
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.10.12 03:42:00 - [17]
 

So How does RISE Council deceive its membership? Lets find out:

Quote:
All speculations should be directed at your CEO's/DIR's.

If they don't know, then ask the minister that is most involved(FA/War/Finance... and so on).

But most things that would be answered by speculation is a known entity by your CEO.

Is Unkie BoB leaving us high and dry? nope.

Does Unkie BoB know what's going on? Yup.

Will Unkie BoB help out at all? Yup.

When will it happen? HAH Thought I'd post that here? Your CEO will know, and will keep it quiet. That's called Operational Security. Or OpSec. Means you only know if you have a need to know.

The Future will be bright for any corp that keeps fighting, keeps people playing, keeps the YARRPEWPEW going.



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BEFORE YOU READ ANY FURTHER. THE FOLLOWING MAY CONTAIN FATAL DOSE OF TRUTH

CONTACT ME PERSONALLY IN-GAME FOR ANY AND ALL QUERRY. Before you do so, make sure you have more than an hour to talk. Because I'm going to preach.




ok. about the "omg we're doomed.. RUNZOR!!!" attitude. It's has gotta end.

I will address this issue at an alliance level with all the respect, and integrity in my heart as a RISE pilot. Once.

- BoB is not leaving RISE behind. Nor will they do any other of their allies. Why am I so certain? Quite frankly, if you don't see the big picture and figure it out by your-damn-selves. You need to stop panicking, calm your-damn-selves down, and take a step back from the Goons Billboard they put right in front of your face and try to get a better look at the damn situation the entire war is evolved around.

- I've tried my damnest, and in turn, failed miserably, to understand the crumbling morale, the grim faces, the unbearable whines, the lack of will to fight.

+ You tell me it's a year of constant fighting. I've been there 7 months of that year, before that I fought RA/TCF/Goons in insmother/wicked creek for months to have the very stations I've poured every last drop of my isk into defending sold out right under my nose by ppl like yourselves in leadership positions.

+ You tell me it's the other guys. I've seen the other guys, I've heard about them, I've stopped giving a **** about them. I contribute what I can to this cause. And I keep doing it till I'm completely exhausted, finacially, physically, and mentally. What the "other guys" do or don't do don't concern me at the least. I'm giving it my all. And what do I get in return? Fun. I don't expect to earn a damn thing playing a game. I play it for fun. Why do I want to let somebody else prevent me from doing it?

+ You tell me it's coz you can't make no money to fight with. I've fought for an entire week without having enough money to upgrade my own clone. I've seen the content of my personal wallet, my corp mates personal wallets, my corperate wallet poured into this cause without a split second of hesitation.

+ You tell me you don't know anything. Nobody talks to you and tell you what to do. Sir, as a matter of fact, we do. We tell you what to do every day of the week. We tell you to get into a gang with your fellow alliance mate and act like a RISE pilot. We tell you to stop asking stupid questions like secured intelligence on the public forum (granted that it isn't public, but it isn't uncommon that we see what's written here being ripped, copied and pasted on to COAD for the world to see). Yes Sir, Goons are reading this message too! (@Goons spies: Quote me if yo mama didn't use a condom)

It's all ****ing excuses. Excuses are like *******, everybody has to have one. And I certainly don't wanna see yours.

That's said. And in the nicest way I can possibly find.

Are you seriously asking me, "does BoB know that RIT triangle is important?" and "does BoB know what us RISE have tried and lost for their causes?"

Muro Deez
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.10.12 03:45:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Erik Amirault
Does anyone fault MPIRE now?


I have the utmost of respect for people who are aware when they're in too deep and actually take steps to get out of the hole they're in.

Mad props, m.pire.

Tough luck, rise.

Jonathan Peterbilt
Caldari
Wyland-Yutani Corporation
Posted - 2007.10.12 03:48:00 - [19]
 

Hi guys,
is this thread reserved for Goonspam only or can other EVE pilots post here as well?

Muro Deez
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.10.12 03:50:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Jonathan Peterbilt
Hi guys,
is this thread reserved for Goonspam only or can other EVE pilots post here as well?


Yah go for it brosef

Bu Jinkan
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.10.12 03:51:00 - [21]
 

I am speechless. I am utterly shocked!

Devian 666
Gallente
Transmetropolitan
Posted - 2007.10.12 03:53:00 - [22]
 

The Council isn't deceiving it's members it's just giving them a "pep talk".

Dungar Loghoth
Caldari
Gank Bangers
Moar Tears
Posted - 2007.10.12 03:53:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Dungar Loghoth on 12/10/2007 03:53:18
Originally by: Jonathan Peterbilt
Hi guys,
is this thread reserved for Goonspam only or can other EVE pilots post here as well?


I'm surprised you could find the time to post here given that there's an active thread about empire not being safe enough from gankers floating about.

Alts Are
Gallente
bypsassing the forum rules.
Posted - 2007.10.12 04:00:00 - [24]
 


Its far better to fight for, protect, and defend your own space and not have to 'pay' someone rent for protection. (sounds like the mob to me... pay us or we wont protect you...)

As some say, Id rather die free then die a slave.
Throw off your shackles of slavery to bob... dont reinforce them with your rent. All tennants of BOB space should know that they are just meat shields right now... You will be torn from your space, your friends and from what you enjoy... just because bob doesnt really care about you.



Maybe RISE will make a grasp for freedom before the end? That might save them something... peaceful retreat, or good surrender terms, maybe even get to keep its space with certain terms while the bob war is on???


bob operate under a bully system. Your only good enough for them if you can make your rent, this buys your their protection if they arent to busy. If you dont want to pay rent bob take your space then make you pay.

RISE you have my sympathy and hopefully you will join M.Pire. If you still have any legs left to stand on... Stand now and turn your back on bob. Swallow your pride and find a way out of this war that will at least leave your alliance in tact.

Live free or die a slave.


as always.
Who cares... I sure dont.. im just an alt


Brobuck
Caldari
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.10.12 04:01:00 - [25]
 

Rise, you should all drop alliance, reform under new corp ticker, RFUND, and set BoB red till they give you your rent money back!

Hrin
Minmatar
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.10.12 04:07:00 - [26]
 

geeze, post in this thread, the other one is horrible

Muro Deez
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.10.12 04:11:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Brobuck
Rise, you should all drop alliance, reform under new corp ticker, RFUND, and set BoB red till they give you your rent money back!


in after brobuck post

SirMolle
Amarr
Evolution
The Initiative.
Posted - 2007.10.12 04:11:00 - [28]
 

Are you guys trying to convince yourselves? You must be getting desperate to be spamming so many threads about a entity you have declared dead about 10 times already. RISE internal discussions may be juicy and full of drama to you, to us, its not. Guess what, we talk to each other every day.

You really dont seem to get it, we don't care what you say.

Oh, hi mom, im in a goon thread.

Erik Amirault
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2007.10.12 04:15:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Erik Amirault on 12/10/2007 04:22:46

Originally by: SirMolle
Are you guys trying to convince yourselves? You must be getting desperate to be spamming so many threads about a entity you have declared dead about 10 times already. RISE internal discussions may be juicy and full of drama to you, to us, its not. Guess what, we talk to each other every day.

You really dont seem to get it, we don't care what you say.

Oh, hi mom, im in a goon thread.



There are reasons they posted those things about you. Those reasons are worthy of reflection. Maybe they are the reason why your crappy little "we win at Eve thread" is dropping off the list of threads and the MPIRE thread has twice as many replies.

Aperion Madante
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.10.12 04:15:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: SirMolle
Are you guys trying to convince yourselves? You must be getting desperate to be spamming so many threads about a entity you have declared dead about 10 times already. RISE internal discussions may be juicy and full of drama to you, to us, its not. Guess what, we talk to each other every day.

You really dont seem to get it, we don't care what you say.

Oh, hi mom, im in a goon thread.



please stop drinking. you hit mommie harder when you do. :(


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