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Xanthar Rex
Minmatar
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2007.10.10 14:37:00 - [121]
 

Very interesting read. Being involved in the war on a day to day basis, its nice to take a mental step back and be reminded of how things have evolved over the last 8 months.

Princess Jodi
Gallente
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.10.10 14:40:00 - [122]
 

When you get to the discussion of Momentum, please consider these two items:

1> The North quickly saw that MC's 60+ Captial fleet was unstoppable, and did not stay and bash themselves to death against a brick wall. The North did a tactical retreat and quickly recovered space once MC left. That kind of 'defeat' for the North was quite a bit different from a defeat like ASCN or LV experienced.

2> Your analysis completely left out the Drone Regions. Over the past year, the Drone Regions have established themselves as very anti-bob. That's a huge block of people who have yet to influence the War much, other than the aid given to Razor/MM in reclaiming space. No similar pool of reinforcements has developed for Bob in that time.


sakana
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2007.10.10 14:49:00 - [123]
 

That was pretty cool :) I'd forgotten how many supercaps had been lost to this war...crazy biscuits!

Lowa
Gallente
North Star Networks
The Kadeshi
Posted - 2007.10.10 14:54:00 - [124]
 

Originally by: Arl
Originally by: Lowa

You are absolutely right, he cant make any predicitons for the war without showing who he THINKS will succeed.
The question was if that is such a bad thing? IMHO you should be able to guess in an orderly fashion without being flamed to a crisp, dont you?
At least as long as one backs it up with sane arguments as to why one would think so. And hopefully you could
get the other side of a conflict to respond in the same way. I know its a long time ago but several wars have
had just that even in most heated scenarios and situations. A lot more fun to read too.

How much weight it will carry depends much more on the "facts" presented than who the corp ticker belongs to if you ask me.
And why should one be flamed for posting in a constructive way, even if one side disagrees it would be nice
that for once the responses would be argumentative in a good way instead of the usual bs that comes out?

At the moment this just gives a good overview and it forces people to think for them selves on what scenarios
will or could be played out in a long term perspective, at least thats what I like to do and so far I've been
quite correct in my own conclusions. One being that BoB would get the hard fight they always wanted and have
a seriously hard time against Goons and allies this time. Perhaps that was an easy one but still. Razz


Cheers,
Lowa


This guy is setting one side up for a fall.

Lets pretend that is the correct assumption; then the question would be if he or she would post his or hers
expected outcome of the war before or after the fact?

If the reports keep coming with a "status update" rather than a definitive answer to who will win until its actually said and done,
not only will this be the most fantastic series of posts to grace COAD in a long time, it would also remove all
issues with who is behind the character wouldnt it?

And imagine this, a final theory is posted before the fact, it turns out to be wrong and the poster returns with a constructive
reply as to why it didnt go the way he or she expected it in the same non biased way as now! Maybe even post that with The Main! Shocked Wink


Cheers,
Lowa

pyklet uk1
Gallente
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.10.10 15:26:00 - [125]
 

This thread delivers,


Keep up the unbiased work Very Happy

Salmandi Deritro
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2007.10.10 15:40:00 - [126]
 

I have to agree with much of what is said here
Rolling Eyeswait this cannot be CAODRolling Eyes
Overall WhatIsItGoodFor has given in my view a very good summary of a very difficult and emotive subject - although we may say eve is just a game we do get caught up in it - sometimes a bit much too much.
Having been present in some of the battles mentioned both North and South (I remember being in LV when Sir Molle announced he was coming to take Chows targets, as well as more recently in FATAL with both the conquest and then fall of the 'new' North) it is easy to look in at your own small part of the WAR and focus on that. A wider unbiased overview is good and this is definately the best I have seen.
Yes we can all agree and disagree on some fact or other but trying to put together the facts outside such alliances is very difficult.
I too look forward to your next installment - and I have to say I don't often say that of CAOD.
Keep up the good work.Razz

Agmar
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.10.10 16:22:00 - [127]
 

A very interesting read. Well met sir.

NO BRAKES
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.10.10 17:25:00 - [128]
 

Originally by: Arl
Originally by: Lowa

You are absolutely right, he cant make any predicitons for the war without showing who he THINKS will succeed.
The question was if that is such a bad thing? IMHO you should be able to guess in an orderly fashion without being flamed to a crisp, dont you?
At least as long as one backs it up with sane arguments as to why one would think so. And hopefully you could
get the other side of a conflict to respond in the same way. I know its a long time ago but several wars have
had just that even in most heated scenarios and situations. A lot more fun to read too.

How much weight it will carry depends much more on the "facts" presented than who the corp ticker belongs to if you ask me.
And why should one be flamed for posting in a constructive way, even if one side disagrees it would be nice
that for once the responses would be argumentative in a good way instead of the usual bs that comes out?

At the moment this just gives a good overview and it forces people to think for them selves on what scenarios
will or could be played out in a long term perspective, at least thats what I like to do and so far I've been
quite correct in my own conclusions. One being that BoB would get the hard fight they always wanted and have
a seriously hard time against Goons and allies this time. Perhaps that was an easy one but still. Razz


Cheers,
Lowa


Let me put it this way when James 315 posted everyone knew what they were getting. Bob could look for holes in his argument and RSF could kick back and enjoy. This guy is setting one side up for a fall. It's got nothing to do with the fact I think it was a good post.


Calm down.

The OP is great, most fair and balanced writeup we've seen in a while, and from the goonfleet side, seemingly accurate. Given the BoB/ GBC responses so far I would think they agree upon the accuracy.

With this quality of information and summary, who cares what side he/she is on?

Mah Kraah
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Posted - 2007.10.10 17:31:00 - [129]
 

nice read.
i understand the goons point.
there is/was a trend in the last 3 month favoring RSF.
the GBC momentum was stoped and reversed.
gbc was forced to change strategy and concentrate all avalable forces to stop this trend.
right know this seems to be on the edge.
even if GBC takes IAC out of the picture totaly it can not be considdered as a trend turn if it is bought with RSF getting control over the southentry to the original bob homelands.
a interesting moment in the whole conflict, will continue to follow the events

Liet Traep
Minmatar
Dark-Rising
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.10.10 17:34:00 - [130]
 

Give the man a cigar! Great write-up.

Uuve Savisaalo
Gallente
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2007.10.12 18:30:00 - [131]
 

mods take note - this and other parts need stickers. A crucial primer on the political landscape as it stands.

Sky Grunthor
Minmatar
Conflagration.
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2007.11.11 20:47:00 - [132]
 

Where did you go? Havne't seen a post from you or a follow up on the essay series in a while.


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