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Jinnigan
Minmatar
Poon Fleet
Posted - 2007.10.07 14:20:00 - [61]
 

Does anyone know if it's possible to activate an account that's currently on trial with the Power of 2 offer? I can't see a reason not to allow it :\

CCP IS SCREWING OVER PEOPLE WHO MADE TRIAL ACCOUNT RECENTLY :(((((((((((((((((

KoolKrewl
Posted - 2007.10.07 19:47:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Sophitia Elit
Originally by: riddick Valer
Make account for $50, train for 6 months, transfer the char to an existing account for $20 so you have a well-trained alt?

Only $70? Still cheaper than normal.


Is this possible with out any problems? I thought about this too, geting a 6 Months full skilled Alt is something i would like to have.


It sounds ok to me.as long as the transfer fee is paid.

Im wondering if i can create a power of 2 account and then pay the fee to transfer my existing alt to it.Idea

CCP Wrangler

Posted - 2007.10.07 23:21:00 - [63]
 

The price is in the currency you pay your subscription in, so if you live in Europe it's 49.95 EUR and if you live anywhere else it's 49.95 USD. This difference in the price is due to the VAT, which you all will now start discussing if I'm not mistaken.

Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
Posted - 2007.10.07 23:41:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Jinnigan

CCP IS SCREWING OVER PEOPLE WHO MADE TRIAL ACCOUNT RECENTLY :(((((((((((((((((


Uh,, how? Trial account is free,,, and if you paid the sub for your account, well, ever been in the situation where you buy something from the store, and next week it's on special?

Yeah,,

Elmicker
Wreckless Abandon
Posted - 2007.10.07 23:41:00 - [65]
 

just a question that sprung up in my mind..

Aren't you supposed to make the relevant currency very clear in the advert? It's horrifically ambiguous, which is underhanded to say the least.

Also, erm, VAT? Stop that tired old excuse.

Americans pay $49.95.
Europeans pay 49.95. This equates to a shade under $70.

Surely that's a 40% increase? Which country are you pretending to be from to charge that ridiculous amount? In the UK, it's 17.5%, and i'm fairly sure the maximum rate of VAT is 25%. So what you're charging us is (assuming i'm not missing something here) a full 15% over and above the maximum rate of vat.

Arktiger
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2007.10.08 02:59:00 - [66]
 

And of course I start a new account on the 3rd.....2 days too soon. lol


Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Posted - 2007.10.08 06:02:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Sleepkevert
Someone posted this in my sig: " Power^2 is failure. Get 2 GTC's for 55 euros and 30D trial time!"

Even tough i'm sorry to say it, it's very true. If power of two gives 7 months instead 6, it might be worth it, but at the moment, there is zero to near zero reason to use the "action" at the moment... Sad Shame tough, it nearly got me to buy a second character.


I wonder who indeed!

Tundaar
Minmatar
Eve Defence Force
Systematic-Chaos
Posted - 2007.10.08 08:53:00 - [68]
 

Payment Methods - Insifficient options in the UK.

CCP - Do yourselves a favour in the UK and allow payment by DEBIT CARD (Switch). Your current payment otions do not allow this.

I followed your Radio button for "Debit Card" and was not presented with an option for the single laegest payment method in the UK - Switch cards. Switch is "Maestro" and owned by Mastercard, but you have no options for this under your "Direct debit" payment options.

You are costing yourselves a LOT of custom from the UK not doing this. I work as Payments Manager for an online company in the UK managing over 25 million of customer transactions per week from a customer base of over a million accounts. 70% of these are carried out using Switch cards.

The payment method is safe as it comes direct from a customers bank account, the Transaction fees are less than for credit cards for the retailer and it is an internationally accepted form of payment. Many people do not want, or cannot get, a credit card but you penalise them by making them look to 3rd parties to purchse ETC in order to plaay. This is a convoluted way for a first time player to get into the game and a barrier to entry.

Secondary E-Wallet solutions such as PayPal would also help to boost customer abilities to fund their subscriptions.

Personally I cancelled my credit card a couple of months ago as I am emigrating, the Power of 2 option would be great, but I can't pay for it with the methods you offer - that just cost you $50 bucks - I'm only one person but statistically take your customer base in teh UK - look at 70% of that and you'll have your current customers who could pay with Switch. (Not to mention the new customers you are missing)

If you can advise another way of taking up the Power of 2 Offer I'll happily spend my money with you.

Best Wishes

Tundaar

JohnTheBaptist
Astronomic Influence
Posted - 2007.10.08 09:07:00 - [69]
 

Edited by: JohnTheBaptist on 08/10/2007 09:08:36
If you live in the UK, you would be better off sending yourself a buddy program trial, then buying 2 x 3 month GTC from shattered crystal, with the exchange rate at 78.00 USD = 38.2879 GBP, and activating your account with the GTC at the end of the trial.

So you get 6 months, + 14 days trial, and save yourself 10. Bob's your uncle. Wink

Tundaar
Minmatar
Eve Defence Force
Systematic-Chaos
Posted - 2007.10.08 09:14:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: JohnTheBaptist
Edited by: JohnTheBaptist on 08/10/2007 09:08:36
If you live in the UK, you would be better off sending yourself a buddy program trial, then buying 2 x 3 month GTC from shattered crystal, with the exchange rate at 78.00 USD = 38.2879 GBP, and activating your account with the GTC at the end of the trial.

So you get 6 months, + 14 days trial, and save yourself 10. Bob's your uncle. Wink


Heh - I already fund my main and second account with ETC from shattered crystal - was commenting on it being a PITA compared to using a direct payment method. It's still an entry barrier for new players who don't know to go look somewhere else to fund their account.

Iteken Hotori
Minmatar
The Flowing Penguins
Posted - 2007.10.08 09:27:00 - [71]
 

any news on wether you can transfer a character to one of these 'Power of two' accounts withing the 6 month period, from an existing fully paid up account?


CCP Wrangler

Posted - 2007.10.08 09:45:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Iteken Hotori
any news on wether you can transfer a character to one of these 'Power of two' accounts withing the 6 month period, from an existing fully paid up account?
I don't see why you shouldn't be able to? There's still a transfer fee as usual, but as far as I know there are no restrictions on transfering characters to and from a Power of 2 account.

Golden Helmet
Caldari
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
Posted - 2007.10.08 10:07:00 - [73]
 

Dammit, why couldn't this come two months sooner. Finally caved and got a second account 2 months ago... makes me sad pirateCrying or Very sad

RaTTuS
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2007.10.08 10:20:00 - [74]
 

Choices

1) get Power of 2,
transfer over alt
train for 6mnths
transfer back.
you now 6mths of training on alt - this is useful for someone who has trained up alts and want to keep them - then after 6mnth you can let the account expire. - cost is just like normal but you end up with a more skilled alt.

2) Get power of 2,
train a new character
keep account - you have 6months of half price training

3) get power of 2,
train a new character for 6mnths
transfer to main
let alt account expire - useful for skilling a new alt


Enter thenameyoudesire
Posted - 2007.10.08 11:23:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
The price is in the currency you pay your subscription in, so if you live in Europe it's 49.95 EUR and if you live anywhere else it's 49.95 USD. This difference in the price is due to the VAT, which you all will now start discussing if I'm not mistaken.


gotta love living in switzerland. Paying in USD, with the cheapest exchange rate ever.

Buyerr
Posted - 2007.10.08 12:54:00 - [76]
 

Edited by: Buyerr on 08/10/2007 13:02:00
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Yup, we're bringing back the Power of 2 offer again!

Amazing isn't it? Originally planned as a one time offer this is back for the third time. Cool


maybe it isn't the best idea if this is made for people to get alts ?!.. hmm well hopefully it will draw some noobs ^^

Soy Black
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.10.08 13:46:00 - [77]
 

I dont understand how this will draw more noobs unless people who have friends who MIGHT be interested get their friends the accounts.

Don't you have to have an existing account to get the power of 2?

Am I right that this offer is ONLY available to people who have an existing account?

RaTTuS
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2007.10.08 13:53:00 - [78]
 

yes only available for creating alts - not for new customers - that is what trails are for.

Dano Sarum
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2007.10.08 14:17:00 - [79]
 

I will take advantage of this offer so i'll create a second account in the next days. I'm a pvper, but i'd like to expirience the economic face of EVE. I'm really doubtful whether creating a manufactorer/producer or a trader (npc trading). I don't know which of these two kind of characters could be more profitable, i mean...if i go for npc trading and i'll be good at it i can get lots of money in a few minutes, but if i mine/manufacture/produce something i think i'll have to deal with the competition and so on, but long term it would be more profitable...some advices?

PS: Only advices about the careers, thanks.

Gonethes
Posted - 2007.10.08 14:31:00 - [80]
 

I'd love to get that offer with the 'Power of 2' on some of my existing aco****s... I don't need another account, but I could use some discount on any of my other accounts Shocked

Elmicker
Wreckless Abandon
Posted - 2007.10.08 16:09:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
I don't see why you shouldn't be able to? There's still a transfer fee as usual, but as far as I know there are no restrictions on transfering characters to and from a Power of 2 account.


I'm going to have to press you for an answer on why your're charging us an extra 15% over maximum VAT.

Pyrostasis
Caldari
TDK Industries
Bi Winning Alliance
Posted - 2007.10.08 16:16:00 - [82]
 

Im curious... I did p^2 last time it came up.

I just went to "My Account" on the left, and there is nothing there about power of 2... am I unable to do it now that I have done it before?

MrTripps
Gallente
Hedonistic Squirrels
Posted - 2007.10.08 16:56:00 - [83]
 

Quote:
I'm going to have to press you for an answer on why your're charging us an extra 15% over maximum VAT.


They weren't before the dollar started becoming the new peso.

CCP Wrangler

Posted - 2007.10.08 17:01:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Elmicker
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
I don't see why you shouldn't be able to? There's still a transfer fee as usual, but as far as I know there are no restrictions on transfering characters to and from a Power of 2 account.


I'm going to have to press you for an answer on why your're charging us an extra 15% over maximum VAT.
I believe it's due to the weak US Dollar, though as far as I know we don't have any plans to increase the cost for everyone paying in USD at this point.

Alvaliel
Posted - 2007.10.08 17:52:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Elmicker
I'm going to have to press you for an answer on why your're charging us an extra 15% over maximum VAT.
I believe it's due to the weak US Dollar, though as far as I know we don't have any plans to increase the cost for everyone paying in USD at this point.
So EU customers have to pay an extra 15% to compensate for CCP not making as much from US customers... maybe I'm missing something here, but surely it would make more sense for US customers to pay 15% extra to make up for their weak currency?

Why are EU customers picking up the tab for the weak dollar?

CCP Wrangler

Posted - 2007.10.08 18:01:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Alvaliel
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Elmicker
I'm going to have to press you for an answer on why your're charging us an extra 15% over maximum VAT.
I believe it's due to the weak US Dollar, though as far as I know we don't have any plans to increase the cost for everyone paying in USD at this point.
So EU customers have to pay an extra 15% to compensate for CCP not making as much from US customers... maybe I'm missing something here, but surely it would make more sense for US customers to pay 15% extra to make up for their weak currency?

Why are EU customers picking up the tab for the weak dollar?
The dollar weakened after these prices were set.

Miss Mickey
Posted - 2007.10.08 18:02:00 - [87]
 

Edited by: Miss Mickey on 08/10/2007 18:07:59
Edited by: Miss Mickey on 08/10/2007 18:04:47
Edited by: Miss Mickey on 08/10/2007 18:04:24
Edited by: Miss Mickey on 08/10/2007 18:03:48
Originally by: Alvaliel
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Elmicker
I'm going to have to press you for an answer on why your're charging us an extra 15% over maximum VAT.
I believe it's due to the weak US Dollar, though as far as I know we don't have any plans to increase the cost for everyone paying in USD at this point.
So EU customers have to pay an extra 15% to compensate for CCP not making as much from US customers... maybe I'm missing something here, but surely it would make more sense for US customers to pay 15% extra to make up for their weak currency?

Why are EU customers picking up the tab for the weak dollar?


Indeed. I don't really see where the whole VAT thing comes in to be honest. If the exchange rates were 1:1 the price would still be the same as they are now. The diff in price is ONLY due to the weak dollar, which means euro's get ripped off. Quite simply, IF I could pay in dollars I would take up this offer. But I won't, since I'm forced to pay more by paying in Euros. Perhaps let us choose our payment currency or something!!

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
The dollar weakened after these prices were set.


Prices were set 3 months ago?

http://www.x-rates.com/d/EUR/USD/graph120.html

In fact, the rate in January was 0.769, which is about $64. And the highest it's been for a long while is 0.84 at the end of 2005.

Elmicker
Wreckless Abandon
Posted - 2007.10.08 18:16:00 - [88]
 

Edited by: Elmicker on 08/10/2007 18:16:09
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
The dollar weakened after these prices were set.


So why don't you charge everyone in USD/EUR and leave it up to their respective banks to do the conversion?

And yes. that's some quite ridiculously old prices you've got there. When were they set, exactly? Last year? The USD's been weak for ages.

Maltere
Gallente
InterGalactic Corp.
Imperial Republic Of the North
Posted - 2007.10.08 18:44:00 - [89]
 

so is it possible to create an account using GTC, or is there a way to take advantage of this using them.
I know for certain i aint gonna be paying in euros as its hardly worth it

General StarScream
Araton Aerospace Corporation
Posted - 2007.10.08 20:22:00 - [90]
 

I think a life time sub would be a good ide.

like 200 usd or 300usd and you will have paid for eve forever.


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