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Orion Sunstorm
Caldari
Dawn of Fire
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2008.01.17 01:39:00 - [121]
 

to make this EXTREMELY clear I am not Charun Rynnaw's alt.
I am mearly(sp?) a friend of his.

Daqinson
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.01.17 03:36:00 - [122]
 

His name is SawMan. He stole 5 Mega's from our corp when we were first starting out. He then went on to join a few pilot organizations, but that is another story all together.

Ralagina
Caldari
ReviveX Fleet
White Noise.
Posted - 2008.01.17 09:57:00 - [123]
 

Originally by: Daqinson
His name is SawMan. He stole 5 Mega's from our corp when we were first starting out. He then went on to join a few pilot organizations, but that is another story all together.


Her name was Lola, she was a showgirl...


OP - add some more of my alts would ya? Ralarisis, Kaeana, 3Names and DJ Gummy (or is it DJGummy? I've not used that one for years).

Father Dibbles
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.01.17 15:44:00 - [124]
 

Edited by: Father Dibbles on 17/01/2008 16:23:53
So much time and effort from the OP all gone into a wasted cause, and it hardly constitutes as an effective database like CCP tried to advertise. The very fact you are posting names of known thieves is giving them the publicity they do not deserve.

Almost every example is simply the misplaced trust from a CEO to an individual, and lets face it, if you know a person well enough, through time, and interaction, you should be an adequate judge when assigning roles. Even then there are exceptions as in real life where people will still knive you in the back after months or years of relations, but thats just hard cheese, and no amount of data collection is going to help you, or anyone else, forsee something like that.

Don't get me wrong, I am anti-thieving, but you are effectively placing a rather large cherry on top of their cake of achievement, and any sensible CEO would prefer to trust their own judgement than trawl through this never ending accusational ping pong of 'he did this he did that' waffle. EVE is hardcore and mirrors to a certain extent social events in real life, and if you are foolish enough to fall for a scam, no matter how large or small then all you can do is admit fault and be more cautious in the future.

I am sorry for whatever event sparked you to start this crusade, but surely it would be better to learn a valid and important lesson than waste so much time and effort into a lost cause, spreading a nice broad grin on the culprits face at the same time? Some people kill other people in EVE, others steal from other people, others make an honest 'living'. Is that not just a simple fact of life? Confused The only way this could ever be effective was if CCP actually policed the game, instantly turning it into a head-slug dribbling press 1-9 and jump a few times /emote dance travesty. If anything, this thread is a role call for would be thieves, providing nice linkage for just how profitable stealing can be.


Adam Son
Posted - 2008.01.17 16:02:00 - [125]
 

hERE ARE TWO CORPORATE THEIVES: IGLOCK AUTHORITY + NATALIA MIRANDA. THEY MAY BE THE SAME PERSON.

Goyda
Ignis et Ultio
Posted - 2008.01.17 16:28:00 - [126]
 

Edited by: Goyda on 17/01/2008 16:28:44
Originally by: Father Dibbles
This thread is disappointing... so much time and effort all gone into a wasted cause, and hardly constitutes as an effective database like CCP tried to advertise. The very fact you are posting names of known thieves is giving them the publicity they do not deserve.

Every example is simply the misplaced trust from a CEO to an individual, and lets face it, if you know a person well enough, through time, and interaction, you should be an adequate judge when assigning roles. Even then there are exceptions as in real life where people will still knive you in the back after months or years of relations, but thats just hard cheese, and no amount of data collection is going to help you, or anyone else, forsee something like that.

Don't get me wrong, I am anti-thieving, but you are effectively placing a rather large cherry on top of their cake of achievement, and any sensible CEO would prefer to trust their own judgement than trawl through this never ending accusational ping pong of 'he did this he did that' waffle. EVE is hardcore and mirrors to a certain extent social events in real life, and if you are foolish enough to fall for a scam, no matter how large or small then all you can do is admit fault and be more cautious in the future.

I am sorry for whatever event sparked you to start this crusade, but much better you learn a valid and important lesson than waste so much time and effort into a lost cause, spreading a nice broad grin on the culprits face at the same time. Some people kill other people in EVE, others steal from other people, others make an honest 'living'. Is that not just a simple fact of life? Confused The only way this could ever be effective was if CCP actually policed the game, instantly turning it into a head-slug dribbling press 1-9 and jump a few times /emote dance travesty.




Some people are good at building trust and do it again and again. With this knowledge CEO's could be duped into this. It is a way to identify these people and hopefully someone can avoid being scammed by these folks. We just lost alot of stuff to 2 people who I personally trusted and defended from previous accusations, they left the corp without the majority of our assets. We've rebuilt and recovered as good folk do, This kind of thing speaks to a persons true self, someone who you could not trust in real life.

We, as a corp, are past the incident, and this is not a *****ing session, just my point about this thread being worthwhile, they don't get fame, they get the identification they deserve. I would think for petty theivery like a couple of ships not a big deal, but say 1.5bil from the wallet, all the BPOs a couple of freighters, navy ships... Well that is worthy of this type of thing.





Father Dibbles
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.01.17 16:45:00 - [127]
 

Originally by: Goyda

We've rebuilt and recovered as good folk do, This kind of thing speaks to a persons true self, someone who you could not trust in real life.

We, as a corp, are past the incident, and this is not a *****ing session, just my point about this thread being worthwhile, they don't get fame, they get the identification they deserve. I would think for petty theivery like a couple of ships not a big deal, but say 1.5bil from the wallet, all the BPOs a couple of freighters, navy ships... Well that is worthy of this type of thing.


Just a hard part of life. To drive home my point further, were those two people on the list before this happened? If the thread wasnt up and running when it was, shouldn't one assume that people not on the list will still do it anyway? It just seems like a futile form of justice thats all, pointing and shouting THIEF! as a kind of last word. Maybe if they were branded with an overview pirate style icon in their toon info, like a money icon, that would be a more effective method of doing what OP set out to achieve?

As for the people that build up trust, are they not the kind of culprits that make this list obselete? It happens in life, and it happens in game; hard cheese.

Fitz VonHeise
Eye Bee Em
Stellar Defense Alliance
Posted - 2008.01.17 17:43:00 - [128]
 

Originally by: corporal hicks
Remove Sacul from your list man, the Titan thread was a joke...
I wondered if it was... so okay.
For those that like jokes: Sacul Link
Originally by: Orion Sunstorm
to make this EXTREMELY clear I am not Charun Rynnaw's alt.
Done!
Originally by: Father Dibbles
Maybe if they were branded with an overview pirate style icon in their toon info, like a money icon, that would be a more effective method of doing what OP set out to achieve?
CCP will never do this. They allow corp theft.

Setana Manoro
Gallente
Firefly Inc.
Posted - 2008.01.17 17:51:00 - [129]
 

Edited by: Setana Manoro on 17/01/2008 17:52:14
Originally by: Fitz VonHeise
Originally by: TheXtreme
proof is something that can say he is a thief with certainty not some ppl posting "yea he is a thief"

Well we have a conundrum:

A. If someone is innocent he would naturally NOT want his name on this list.
B. If someone is a scammer who wants to scam again he would also NOT want his name on this list.

How would anyone know who is correct for sure except those involved? Since we cannot know, all I can do is report what is said and let the readers determine who seems to be the most believable.

Now if a prior CEO or a known director of the effected corp were to post here the innocence of the person named then naturally I would believe them and remove the accused name.

And yes I would hope that all corps CEO's would still talk to prior CEO's about any person who wants to join their corp. This is not an end all be all... as I am sure there are many names out there I do not have of thieves that have not been reported or I haven't located yet.


Ask for more proof.
Logs from secured containers, screenshots of them being online at the time of the presumed theft.
If I, as a ceo would have the job of searching for a corp thief, i would start with a list of ppl that had access, cross-checked with people that were online. Results cross-checked with who were in the area, and of those, i'd start checking their hangars, asking for screenshots of their private contract list and even donations / asset window.
I would do this, if i didn't have a confession, and if i had a confession i would screenshot and post it here.

Off-course these can all be falsified, but you are making it tougher for the guy who is trying to abuse the system for which you worked to implement/make known, for his personal pleasure.
I could come with my alt and say "XXXXXX was found by our corp to be a corp thief", and you would add him right now, that is my problem.


PS: Guess i was wrong about the united theft. While i don't like that corp, i don't approve of what they did. And yet, i'm still happy that the united got hurt. Go GM mixed feelings. :)

Fitz VonHeise
Eye Bee Em
Stellar Defense Alliance
Posted - 2008.01.17 17:55:00 - [130]
 

Ephilia Emmett is another name I've added after talking to a corp member.
He stole 1 billion isk and 2-3 billion in bpo's.
Here is the Link

vasuul
Posted - 2008.01.17 18:17:00 - [131]
 

Alaris does not belong on this list I have never known him to steal anything more than likely its a message sent by his previous corp to cause him unfair greif
he was in two of my corps found him to be honest and trustworthy pleae unless this guy can show real proof i ask the you clear his good name

Father Dibbles
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.01.17 18:26:00 - [132]
 

Edited by: Father Dibbles on 17/01/2008 18:27:08
Originally by: Fitz VonHeise
Originally by: Father Dibbles
Maybe if they were branded with an overview pirate style icon in their toon info, like a money icon, that would be a more effective method of doing what OP set out to achieve?
CCP will never do this. They allow corp theft.


Such a measure would not prevent or restrict the possibility of theft, merely introduce a form of consequence, which as of yet there is none, except in threads like these.

Fitz VonHeise
Eye Bee Em
Stellar Defense Alliance
Posted - 2008.01.17 18:39:00 - [133]
 

Originally by: Father Dibbles
Such a measure would not prevent or restrict the possibility of theft, merely introduce a form of consequence,

I like the idea for sure. Hope CCP does it.
Originally by: vasuul
Alaris does not belong on this list...
I have added another link.
DeckardIRL personally checked out this person. I'm not going to remove it.

Goyda
Ignis et Ultio
Posted - 2008.01.17 19:04:00 - [134]
 

Originally by: Father Dibbles


Just a hard part of life. To drive home my point further, were those two people on the list before this happened? If the thread wasnt up and running when it was, shouldn't one assume that people not on the list will still do it anyway? It just seems like a futile form of justice thats all, pointing and shouting THIEF! as a kind of last word. Maybe if they were branded with an overview pirate style icon in their toon info, like a money icon, that would be a more effective method of doing what OP set out to achieve?

As for the people that build up trust, are they not the kind of culprits that make this list obselete? It happens in life, and it happens in game; hard cheese.


I agree with all the points you make here, life is unfair and all that blah. My point is, perhaps a list like this gives a CEO a chance to truly evaluate an applicant prior to bringing them into the corp. Good knowledge. I also think CCP is right in allowing this to happen as long as it happens within confines of the game and that users 'space' meaning not hacking into someone elses account or some other EULA violation.


Ancient Cow
Posted - 2008.01.17 19:44:00 - [135]
 

Edited by: Ancient Cow on 17/01/2008 19:45:53
Hmm. This seems to be classic witch/commie hunt.
1. Accusation is made.
2. The accuser gains an ally and says that this is confirmed.
3. The inquisitor(Fitz VonHeise) comes and talks to the accuser/s (most claiming to be a victim of supposed accused).
4. No proof is requested to prove he/she was not involved is not asked for from the accused.
5. The inquisitor(Fitz VonHeise), with a mob, administers the "Witch" test(often involving drowning the person to see if she lives or dies.
6. The end result is the person is dead, innocent or not.

Hmm. This seems to be a very effective tool to destroy ones reputation for the one you hate. Even with proof provided, what is stopping the accuser or the inquisitor from altering evidence because of a grudge against the accused. With this logic, and in defense of a friend I shall accuse somebody of theft.

I accuse Persecution. He was in the corp where the theft has happened, and is now accusing others of the theft to take the heat off him. Since that is the only evidence provided by him to accuse Talodrine, it shall suffice to do so to him. I ask for one(1) more person to confirm that Persecution was in the corp at the time of theft and the inquisitor to question and administer the test.

I also accuse Cyberus, for he has confirmed that Talodrine was the alt of the thief, and that means he was an accomplice to the theft of the corp that Persecution was in. I ask again, I want one(1) confirmation of Cyberus accusing Talodrine as proof that Cyberus was an accomplice, and the inquisitor to administer the test.

Thank you

Kell Braugh
Dawn of a new Empire
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.01.17 19:50:00 - [136]
 

I still don't understand how this stuff happens, especially at this level, other than pure idots running corps/alliances.

With the exception of an actual technical hack of someone's account, no one but Corp CEO's should have access to Corp assets, with the exception of 'shared' resources like some mins or BPCs, etc. Read: Stuff you can afford to lose without *****ing.

The point on game mechanics is right, but you leave out that there are also game mechanics that allow you to minimize you loses, like making BPCs that you share instead of sharing the friggen BPO!

Lobster Man, hrm. How you got a hold of TWO Titans + billions in isk/assets is amazing and I commend you for truly playing the game to its fullest. You saw a situation you could use to your advantage and exploited the stupidity of others. Well played.

Here is a hint for all you Corp/alliance CEO's: If you can't walk over to someone's house and kick their ass in real life, don't trust them.

Father Dibbles
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.01.17 21:09:00 - [137]
 

Edited by: Father Dibbles on 17/01/2008 21:26:40

Originally by: Goyda

I agree with all the points you make here, life is unfair and all that blah. My point is, perhaps a list like this gives a CEO a chance to truly evaluate an applicant prior to bringing them into the corp. Good knowledge. I also think CCP is right in allowing this to happen as long as it happens within confines of the game and that users 'space' meaning not hacking into someone elses account or some other EULA violation.




Agreed, its just very difficult to sift through forum threads and sort conjecture from proof (which, incidentally could be easily doctored if someone had enough malice for a person), as poor Fitz is no doubt experiencing.

I am not trying to take anything away from the OP, he has done a fine job with what is availible and in principle it is also a fine idea; just that the forum environment from which this has all been gleamed from, and potential for 'witch hunt' as Ancient Cow mentions makes the credibility of data hard to trust.

Really, there should be something implemented in game - there are consequences for stealing from a can, and similarly for killing another player; why aren't there immediate/long term consequences (in game) for corp theft? Placing a bounty isn't enough imo, and incures further cost to the victim. Even something like the ability for a CEO to edit a comment, viewable under the relevant corp tag in employment history of a recent corp member, or a rating system of key qualities would be beneficial. An extended and more thorough description of the player - like a proper CV Smile Would probably just end up being abused though.

EDIT: hmmm, a good CEO should do that anyway (check with player's former CEO if possible)

Fitz VonHeise
Eye Bee Em
Stellar Defense Alliance
Posted - 2008.01.17 23:54:00 - [138]
 

Originally by: Ancient Cow
Hmm. This seems to be classic ...commie hunt. ...
This is a game not RL: "Innocent until proven guilty" is NOT a part of this game.

Everyone is thought to be a thief until they prove their trustworthiness.
That is why new people who join a corps have little or no access. (or shouldn’t)

Sunshi
Posted - 2008.01.18 02:49:00 - [139]
 

Hehe im so glad he put soooooooo much effort into creating this list. I nearly forgot about that 12 hour op i pulled, got about a bil off of it, was good stuff.

homwrk
Posted - 2008.01.18 05:10:00 - [140]
 

Edited by: homwrk on 18/01/2008 05:14:15
I am speaking for the character Towlies. (since i deleted him :P)
I am offended i did not make it on the list !
The corporation i was in had been war decked (Fuzzy Lemons)
I thought them a bunch of douche's
They gave full access to everyone for the war effort
I took everything. (800mil) yah i know it wasn't much but oh well.
They then closed the cooperation :P
So with that im taking credit for destroying there corp.

Later i will post the 4 other thefts i did :P Totaling 3 bill

Btw i forgot the scam with this toon 600 mill for a holding fee for a mother ship was to be payed to the holder character ... i got the fee to pay him then log ... i enjoyed this so much. 500 mill from one person 100 mill from another. Look at my post history you will find the post that i auctioned the mom at ... i am lazy so im not linking it.

Krystian
Caldari
Clown Punchers.
Clown Punchers Syndicate
Posted - 2008.01.18 09:56:00 - [141]
 

Edited by: Krystian on 18/01/2008 09:56:36


Brbarlow195, LanceCooley - alts of same person
Mr Bondy, Chandoi, Darkened Skies - alts of same person

Past corp thieves we have had. Stole good chunk of isk between the two of them. Stating fact here and not debate. Recruit them at your own risk.

Fitz VonHeise
Eye Bee Em
Stellar Defense Alliance
Posted - 2008.01.18 17:33:00 - [142]
 

Edited by: Fitz VonHeise on 18/01/2008 17:37:31
Originally by: homwrk
Later i will post the 4 other thefts i did :P Totaling 3 bill
I have no problem adding your name if you give me the CEO name's (or corp names) you robbed so I can verify. (And while your at it can you give me your main's name and all of your alt's as well. Smile

Originally by: Krystian
Brbarlow195, LanceCooley - alts of same person
Mr Bondy, Chandoi, Darkened Skies - alts of same person

Are these one and the same of homwrk above or new people?
I do have Mr Bondy listed already though.

Fitz VonHeise
Eye Bee Em
Stellar Defense Alliance
Posted - 2008.01.18 17:50:00 - [143]
 

Originally by: homwrk
I am offended i did not make it on the list !

On second thought after reading this failed scam Link you WILL have to give me names of CEO's or you will not be included.

Mat rix
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.01.19 01:04:00 - [144]
 

Edited by: Mat rix on 19/01/2008 01:04:20
Originally by: Ancient Cow
I also accuse Cyberus, for he has confirmed that Talodrine was the alt of the thief, and that means he was an accomplice to the theft of the corp that Persecution was in. I ask again, I want one(1) confirmation of Cyberus accusing Talodrine as proof that Cyberus was an accomplice, and the inquisitor to administer the test.

Thank you


Cyberus was quoting the qoute in the original thread about Shadoc, he was not confirming talodrine as an alt, his confirmation was that Shadoc had stolen assets from us.

just to make that clear for you. YARRRR!!

homwrk
Posted - 2008.01.19 02:06:00 - [145]
 

Originally by: Fitz VonHeise
Originally by: homwrk
I am offended i did not make it on the list !

On second thought after reading this failed scam Link you WILL have to give me names of CEO's or you will not be included.


well i did say fuzzy lemons and if you did your homework you would know there ceo names. i figure if you wont put for the effort to post me ill just scam more with this toon. The others you mentioned above are not me. the other money i have not proven the theift of is not going to be singled out yet. and that so called failed post netted me 500 mill from one guy and another 100 mill from another.

Now if you dont post me i guess it will be your fault if someone else gets scammed buy me now wont it ?

Krystian
Caldari
Clown Punchers.
Clown Punchers Syndicate
Posted - 2008.01.19 20:14:00 - [146]
 

Originally by: Krystian
Brbarlow195, LanceCooley - alts of same person
Mr Bondy, Chandoi, Darkened Skies - alts of same person

Are these one and the same of homwrk above or new people?
I do have Mr Bondy listed already though.


Brbarlow195 and LanceCooley are new ones. They are both the same person. Mr Bondy, Chandoi and Darkened Skies are a different person with three alts.

BTW Good work your doing here. Ignore the trolls and corp thieves. They are just mad because 'game mechanics' allows for us to keep a database of them.

Ancient Cow
Posted - 2008.01.20 18:48:00 - [147]
 

Originally by: Fitz VonHeise
Originally by: Ancient Cow
Hmm. This seems to be classic ...commie hunt. ...
This is a game not RL: "Innocent until proven guilty" is NOT a part of this game.

Everyone is thought to be a thief until they prove their trustworthiness.
That is why new people who join a corps have little or no access. (or shouldn’t)



So you are judge and jury I presume, and guilty tell you say otherwise? Any accusations are true, until somebody, without a doubt, proves that he/she is not a thief? Then we should put everybody's name up their, including the OP.

nbsi
Posted - 2008.01.20 23:19:00 - [148]
 

This theft is old (necro alert) and the perp seems to be satisfied in his home in Goons but is still active. Once a thief always a thief right?

Perp: Lhyda Souljacker
Other accounts: Kalgan Stormweaver, Dirk Longfellow, Gabriel Hart
Probable alt: Klagan Cornaels

Old CAOD thread
Old C&P thread
eve tribune post with most of somethingawful post

The original SA was edited a few times to remove incriminating evidence (confessions of account sharing, etc.) but most of the details are still there.

EinaruS
Euphoria Released
Posted - 2008.01.21 08:28:00 - [149]
 

Originally by: Fitz VonHeise
Edited by: Fitz VonHeise on 17/01/2008 18:12:01

Chailion Proof
Charun Rynnaw Proof Link
Chienka Alts: Outback Jane, Larassi, Lanassi Warin, AbraCadabraAlakazam Proof Proof Chienka Sold
Cityzeen proof
Coffe Alt: Coffe's babe Possible Alt: birdynamnam proof
Count Marcaragnos Proof
Currin Trading Proof
Darkjackl Proof
Darvane Proof
Deckerx Alts: Carroll, Ula O****ur (as in "O f a e n u r"), Vottbot proof proof
dragonofearth proof
Eddy Hascal Proof
Ender Wiggens Alt: Schizmo, Juansevla Proof
Ephilia Emmett Proof Link
Eridani Ceti Link Disputed
Eskhandar Proof
Eugene Aikur Proof
Falzone Proof
Father Lazarous Proof
Fenian Proof
Fraggly Alt: Salact Proof


you have put a link as proof, that's infact not a proof but a link to a thread that posts "known corporate thieves" without any proof and thus is a bit farfetched... you should maybe call it references or something...


Fitz VonHeise
Eye Bee Em
Stellar Defense Alliance
Posted - 2008.01.21 21:32:00 - [150]
 

Originally by: Krystian
Brbarlow195 and LanceCooley are new ones. They are both the same person.
I don't see anything listed for them in the forums... What did they do/take?


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