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Letti Casta
Posted - 2007.09.29 06:50:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: Necromancer D
Edited by: Necromancer D on 28/09/2007 18:45:02
It should also be noted that the OP has attempted to use nano-ships himself but could never really accomplish this himself, so I guess due to his failure at nano-ships he insist that because he can't use them effectively that no one should either;
http://eve-search.com/thread/595960/page/

Further research into the op's forum activities point out that he always wants things to be 'easy' and even admits to being to lazy to calculate or test pvp situation out for himself:
http://eve-search.com/search/author/arbalesttom/

In conclusion I say CCP should not nerf nanoships, but indeed nerf arbalesttom's ability to make 'OMG NERF THIS!!!' threads on the forum. It would benefit everyone in the community by saving wasted server space, bandwidth, and time reading his ridiculous whines.

Edit: made links clickable.


LOLZ, nerf arbalesttom's ability at making whining threads, if he had ANY intelligence, he'd gtfo of is damned caracal and fly something that is actually MEANT for pvp.

arbalesttom
Mercurialis Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.09.29 09:07:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Elmicker
The real problem lies with ships such as the typhoon, dominix and ishtar, who use tracking-less weapons such as drones, missiles and neut/nos to do their actual on-paper dps, while still lolling along at several km/s.


Yes, but unlike the short-range Ishtar (scoop & redeploy), the nano-Ishtar's DPS is destructible. I don't see many nano-Dominixies, anyway... and nano-phoons have been really nerfed significantly.

Originally by: arbalesttom

The reason nano's needs to be nerfed is, if they cant kill it, they always can get away. They can pick any fight. Even IF a nanoship warps trough your gate, camped with some friends with huginns/rapiers, the guy will likely get out/to the gate before any of the dual sensorboosted rapier/huginns get a lock (thanks to the awesome locking lag etc). If the nanopilot decides to do otherwise, hes a dumb, dumb pilot. That has to do with the pilot, and nothing with the, already proven, new I-WIN nano setups.



How do you explain the fact that nanoships die on a daily basis, and we're talking about nano-ships flown by experienced and capable pilots? Fact is, you suck at catching them.

At any rate, yes, your 50 man camp lags up so badly it allows the guy to get back to the gate. Even that wouldn't be a problem, but... you really, really need to know another thing about camping gates.



Im sorry, im playing around in 0.0 (and some lowsec) for almost whole my evelife. The place i live is swarmed by those nano ****ers. Its not that we lack similar ships and huginns/rapiers to catch them, but even IF they run in a bubble/dictor/huginn camp of ours, they will get those 15km back to the gate before anyone could 1.bump them 2.lock n web them (thanks to that AWESOME LOCKING LAG ccp made for us). The acceleration on those polycarbon rigged nanoships is just too insane.

So would you PLEASE stfu, because its obvious you dont know **** about what your talking.

arbalesttom
Mercurialis Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.09.29 09:09:00 - [93]
 

Edited by: arbalesttom on 29/09/2007 09:09:40
Originally by: Letti Casta
Originally by: Necromancer D
Edited by: Necromancer D on 28/09/2007 18:45:02
It should also be noted that the OP has attempted to use nano-ships himself but could never really accomplish this himself, so I guess due to his failure at nano-ships he insist that because he can't use them effectively that no one should either;
http://eve-search.com/thread/595960/page/

Further research into the op's forum activities point out that he always wants things to be 'easy' and even admits to being to lazy to calculate or test pvp situation out for himself:
http://eve-search.com/search/author/arbalesttom/

In conclusion I say CCP should not nerf nanoships, but indeed nerf arbalesttom's ability to make 'OMG NERF THIS!!!' threads on the forum. It would benefit everyone in the community by saving wasted server space, bandwidth, and time reading his ridiculous whines.

Edit: made links clickable.


LOLZ, nerf arbalesttom's ability at making whining threads, if he had ANY intelligence, he'd gtfo of is damned caracal and fly something that is actually MEANT for pvp.


Letti, you are ******ed. Come up with something constructive or just bugger off.

Letti Casta
Posted - 2007.09.29 09:20:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: arbalesttom
Edited by: arbalesttom on 29/09/2007 09:09:40
Originally by: Letti Casta
Originally by: Necromancer D
Edited by: Necromancer D on 28/09/2007 18:45:02
It should also be noted that the OP has attempted to use nano-ships himself but could never really accomplish this himself, so I guess due to his failure at nano-ships he insist that because he can't use them effectively that no one should either;
http://eve-search.com/thread/595960/page/

Further research into the op's forum activities point out that he always wants things to be 'easy' and even admits to being to lazy to calculate or test pvp situation out for himself:
http://eve-search.com/search/author/arbalesttom/

In conclusion I say CCP should not nerf nanoships, but indeed nerf arbalesttom's ability to make 'OMG NERF THIS!!!' threads on the forum. It would benefit everyone in the community by saving wasted server space, bandwidth, and time reading his ridiculous whines.

Edit: made links clickable.


LOLZ, nerf arbalesttom's ability at making whining threads, if he had ANY intelligence, he'd gtfo of is damned caracal and fly something that is actually MEANT for pvp.


Letti, you are ******ed. Come up with something constructive or just bugger off.


I believe I just did, get out of your caracal, and get into something meant for pvp.

MercedesBenz
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.09.29 09:24:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: arbalesttom
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Elmicker
The real problem lies with ships such as the typhoon, dominix and ishtar, who use tracking-less weapons such as drones, missiles and neut/nos to do their actual on-paper dps, while still lolling along at several km/s.


Yes, but unlike the short-range Ishtar (scoop & redeploy), the nano-Ishtar's DPS is destructible. I don't see many nano-Dominixies, anyway... and nano-phoons have been really nerfed significantly.

Originally by: arbalesttom

The reason nano's needs to be nerfed is, if they cant kill it, they always can get away. They can pick any fight. Even IF a nanoship warps trough your gate, camped with some friends with huginns/rapiers, the guy will likely get out/to the gate before any of the dual sensorboosted rapier/huginns get a lock (thanks to the awesome locking lag etc). If the nanopilot decides to do otherwise, hes a dumb, dumb pilot. That has to do with the pilot, and nothing with the, already proven, new I-WIN nano setups.



How do you explain the fact that nanoships die on a daily basis, and we're talking about nano-ships flown by experienced and capable pilots? Fact is, you suck at catching them.

At any rate, yes, your 50 man camp lags up so badly it allows the guy to get back to the gate. Even that wouldn't be a problem, but... you really, really need to know another thing about camping gates.



Im sorry, im playing around in 0.0 (and some lowsec) for almost whole my evelife. The place i live is swarmed by those nano ****ers. Its not that we lack similar ships and huginns/rapiers to catch them, but even IF they run in a bubble/dictor/huginn camp of ours, they will get those 15km back to the gate before anyone could 1.bump them 2.lock n web them (thanks to that AWESOME LOCKING LAG ccp made for us). The acceleration on those polycarbon rigged nanoships is just too insane.

So would you PLEASE stfu, because its obvious you dont know **** about what your talking.


so what you're really mad about is that your warp bubble isn't the 'I win' button you thought it was going to be?

Avataris
The first genesis
Veritas Immortalis
Posted - 2007.09.29 10:13:00 - [96]
 

What makes you think your gatecamp should be 100% effective?

Nanoships are specifically setup to be survivable in a hostile environment - they are a reaction to the 24/7 gatecamping that makes it impossible to move around in standard ship setups without bringing along 30 of your friends.

Or 'soloing' with your covops alts as scouts.

Note that when people do bring 30 of their friends it's always 'Blob blob blob' and 'no fair you never bring even numbers'

You just want everyone to conform to your gameplay style so you can sit in your little gatecamp laughing as people jump into your bubble.

Here's a fix - make bubbles chance based or counterable with warpcore stabs - that way we wouldn't need to bring either 1)speed or 2)numbers.


arbalesttom
Mercurialis Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.09.29 10:38:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: Letti Casta
Originally by: arbalesttom
Edited by: arbalesttom on 29/09/2007 09:09:40
Originally by: Letti Casta
Originally by: Necromancer D
Edited by: Necromancer D on 28/09/2007 18:45:02
It should also be noted that the OP has attempted to use nano-ships himself but could never really accomplish this himself, so I guess due to his failure at nano-ships he insist that because he can't use them effectively that no one should either;
http://eve-search.com/thread/595960/page/

Further research into the op's forum activities point out that he always wants things to be 'easy' and even admits to being to lazy to calculate or test pvp situation out for himself:
http://eve-search.com/search/author/arbalesttom/

In conclusion I say CCP should not nerf nanoships, but indeed nerf arbalesttom's ability to make 'OMG NERF THIS!!!' threads on the forum. It would benefit everyone in the community by saving wasted server space, bandwidth, and time reading his ridiculous whines.

Edit: made links clickable.


LOLZ, nerf arbalesttom's ability at making whining threads, if he had ANY intelligence, he'd gtfo of is damned caracal and fly something that is actually MEANT for pvp.


Letti, you are ******ed. Come up with something constructive or just bugger off.


I believe I just did, get out of your caracal, and get into something meant for pvp.


No, you certainly didnt. Please read the forum post rules, be constructive and post something that has to do with the topic. So, stfu, cause this is going about nanoships, not about 'whiners'. And no, i dont use caracals, i dont ever fly any caldari ship actually, except from the crow.

arbalesttom
Mercurialis Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.09.29 10:43:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: Avataris
What makes you think your gatecamp should be 100% effective? Nothing, actually, but to have at least a gang of 1-2huginns/rapiers dual boosted dual web, lachesis some interceptor and some damagedealers to actually screw up a nano***** is just ****ing ******ed.

Nanoships are specifically setup to be uncatchableomfgwtfsolomobile in a hostile environment - they are a reaction to the 24/7 gatecamping that makes it impossible to move around in standard ship setups without bringing along 30 of your friends.




Here, i fixed it for you.

MercedesBenz
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.09.29 18:28:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: arbalesttom
Originally by: Avataris
What makes you think your gatecamp should be 100% effective? Nothing, actually, but to have at least a gang of 1-2huginns/rapiers dual boosted dual web, lachesis some interceptor and some damagedealers to actually screw up a nano***** is just ****ing ******ed.

Nanoships are specifically setup to be uncatchableomfgwtfsolomobile in a hostile environment - they are a reaction to the 24/7 gatecamping that makes it impossible to move around in standard ship setups without bringing along 30 of your friends.




Here, i fixed it for you.


Seriously, now you're just making yourself look like a dumbass. You might as well quit this argument, you've already revealed a few things about yourself, 1) You think anyone that disagrees with your point of view on nano's is an idiot, 2) you've TRIED to use nano-ships yourself, most likely with much failure , otherwise I doubt you'd be *****ing on the forums about nano-setups 3) You're mad because your recon teammate's aren't the end-all of stopping anything from escaping your gate camps, seriously, eve is about adapting, and because you haven't figured out a way of stopping nano-ships in specific situations, you feel they should be nerf just to conform to your style of F1-F# gameplay, 4) You're lazy. This is NOT what Eve is about. have you for once considered having a few disco ships sitting around the spawn-in points around the gate? Have you once considered remote sensor boosters for your dual web recons, which I doubt are using best named, or perhaps maybe using 3 webs? C'mon man, this stuff isn't that hard to figure out, it's trail and error, oh, but apparently you've already stated that you're to lazy to actually test out new setups in previous threads. If that's seriously your take on Eve, you might as well quit eve, you fail at it.... oh, can I have your stuff?ugh

Letti Casta
Posted - 2007.09.29 19:01:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: arbalesttom
And no, i dont use caracals, i dont ever fly any caldari ship actually, except from the crow.


Orly?

Originally by: arbalesttom

Actually, lol, i managed to destroy a cruiser some time ago in my dedicate ecm/armortank/torp/blaster scorp, that was kinda, rofl...


reference: Linky

Originally by: arbalesttom

i did try to make a nanoraven/nanodrake/nanocaracal. It sucks. Too bad. Just start training Minimatar or Galente.


reference: linky

Also found you posting a scorp setup here: Linkage


Just a quick tip, don't lie on the forums if you want anyone to take you seriously.
And about the topic, if you can't find a way to counter nano-ships, just quit eve, make it a happier place for us all. Laughing

Semkhet
Dark Tornado
Ethereal Dawn
Posted - 2007.09.29 19:50:00 - [101]
 

I'm tired to always see the very people that would never invest over a year of training in a single and limited specialized aspect of PvP, complain when confronted to abilities they never bothered to adcquire in the first place.

IMHO, it is the summum of mediocrity. You guys not only don't want to invest time and isk in getting good at something, on top you would like to deny to anyone to shine where for whatever reason you suck.

I remember the forums a few years ago. They weren't clogged by complaints like nowadays, and the learning curve for nublets was way more steep.

Today CCP's takes new players by the hand in every possile area, but no matter what, whining keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger.

So, enough is enough. I think from now on I will run my KOS based on different parameters...

Trishan
Green Men Incorporated
Posted - 2007.09.29 19:50:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: Letti Casta


Just a quick tip, don't lie on the forums if you want anyone to take you seriously.
And about the topic, if you can't find a way to counter nano-ships, just quit eve, make it a happier place for us all. Laughing

Laughing "OMG the vigil slipped away! NERF! NO COUNTER!".

Drykor
Minmatar
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2007.09.30 00:38:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: Elmicker
Edited by: Elmicker on 28/09/2007 23:52:11
Originally by: Broska
1. Set up cost.


And? CCP have said time and again that isk should not guarantee invulnerability, resulting in repeated supercapital nerfs.




Read the word. Invulnerability. Nanoships are NOT invulnerable. And OF COURSE the cost of the setup has something to do with how good they are, why bother with anything above tech1 unnamed otherwise?


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