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Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal
Posted - 2009.06.01 20:29:00 - [181]
 

Edited by: Krathos Morpheus on 01/06/2009 20:30:53
Originally by: Eraggan Sadarr
Originally by: Emporia Tzard
I didn't really mean for you to use Eve Metric's data, but rather you could pull the market info in the same way that they do, without having to create market logs for each item.

The Eve Metrics people have had it confirmed that it does not break the EULA. I'm sure a GM would cofirm that for you via a petition.


Well, Emporia, The scraping is quite an involved process as you have to give it a lot of work to decipher the cache files, which the eve metrics guys also state in their thread. So this will not be an option for EMS as i simply don't have the time to put into it. But i actually like the idea of being able to choose between the public data from evemetrics or your own privately exported logs. So i might work towards that in the nearest future. As i have also been reassured enough that it is not an EULA violation. Thx for the tip.
Supposedly this guy has developed the code to read from cache and he says he will send it to you if you're a developer. It would be nice if you contact him to include that feature. It would be nice too if you could confirm or deny that the code exists, since no one has seen it and lived to post acknowledging it here.

Tikael
Minmatar
Distorted Inspiration Inc.
Posted - 2009.06.02 01:07:00 - [182]
 

Originally by: Eraggan Sadarr
This is the intended behavior so far. As it would be a bit boring to code Wink
But if it is a request from more people i will of course take a look at it. Order and shown columns would be the most reasonable to implement, as size is based on the size the app is running at, and is more dynamic. Tell me what you need.


Oh, order and shown columns will be enough for me, I didn't realize that size was dynamic before you pointed it out.
But meh, although it would be nice to see them implemented, it's not like they are crippling bugs or something, so feel free to take you time Wink

Eraggan Sadarr
Comply Or Die
Posted - 2009.06.03 17:37:00 - [183]
 

Originally by: Tikael

Oh, order and shown columns will be enough for me, I didn't realize that size was dynamic before you pointed it out.
But meh, although it would be nice to see them implemented, it's not like they are crippling bugs or something, so feel free to take you time Wink


I will put it on my list. And thx for the donation.

General Jung
Posted - 2009.06.08 11:54:00 - [184]
 

Edited by: General Jung on 09/06/2009 01:01:16
Hello Eraggan Sadarr,

thanks for your effort. The Program is a big help.

It would be a much bigger one, if we get long time/period statistics with diagramms an graphs.

Sadly that CCP doesn´t spend EVE, per house a export function for graphs !

Maybe in an addition to what product may offers the highest profit margin.

Thanks for this programm.
Sincerley Regards General Jung.

Eraggan Sadarr
Comply Or Die
Posted - 2009.06.20 11:16:00 - [185]
 

Originally by: General Jung
Edited by: General Jung on 09/06/2009 01:01:16
Hello Eraggan Sadarr,

thanks for your effort. The Program is a big help.

It would be a much bigger one, if we get long time/period statistics with diagramms an graphs.

Sadly that CCP doesn´t spend EVE, per house a export function for graphs !

Maybe in an addition to what product may offers the highest profit margin.

Thanks for this programm.
Sincerley Regards General Jung.


Hey General

Thank you for the comments. But what kind of graphs do you want? I mean there are nice price development graphs in the EVE client market browser (Up to a year). Are you thinking of something else?
Sorry for the late reply. I have been very busy.
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Mystafyre
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.06.20 18:33:00 - [186]
 

This is absolutely the best software for multi region traders!

Awesome work Eraggan Sadarr! Cool

General Jung
Posted - 2009.06.21 18:00:00 - [187]
 

Hello Eraggan Sadarr,

thanks for your reply. Yea I know the in game graphs. But the acutally only displays a year and we can´t export the data.

It would be great if your program displays the old market logs, already exported, in a graph, so we can compare the price development outgame and compare it with other regions. Also graphs with a longer axis then 1 year would be nice.

Xenofarion
Gallente
Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
Posted - 2009.06.27 17:10:00 - [188]
 

Hey Smile

Now here are my tips to make this thingy even more awesome:

    1. - I would like to have an option to manually enter numbers for the volumes traded (per item per region).
I would locate the fields for it on the left and on the right of the "region" dropdown menues. The numbers should be stored in a new .txt file in the Market logs Folder or something.
This would make it possible to have a vast idea of how much is traded in a region once you entered the volume. 50% profit margin is nothing when the item is just sold once per week while 10% margin with 1000 units per day is pretty decent Smile



    2. - I would want you to add one (optional) extra column between the right and left one, which shows certain ratios dependend on price differences and trade volumes.
It could contain the following two rows (of course optional via right-click like the colums in the boxes left and right, too):
- Absolute difference from lowest sell (left) to lowest sell (right) divided through lower sell order multiplicated with the volume of the higher-sell-order region. This would give a ratio, which includes relative profit compared to amount of ISK invested and volume. (If it's too complicated to program it dependent on higher/lower orders, you could as well just make each formula twice, for left --> right and right --> left direction, if you know what i mean Very Happy )
The second row could just be difference from lowest sell (left) to lowest sell (right) multiplicated with the volume of the higher-sell-order region. This would give out an absilute ratio of profit and volume.
The first ratio is good to maximise profits if you got few investment capital, the second one is for people who have enough to trade with more expensive items.

The higher these values are, the better and it would show very quickly, which trades are profitable and which ones are not.
You can say that a relative ratio > 10 or an absolute ratio > 100 is very good for trading. I use these calculations in my Excel spreadsheet and am quite successful with it, although it's kinda uncomfortable - perhaps you can change this? Wink

I hope this wasn't too confused ugh


Best regards
Xeno Cool

Eraggan Sadarr
Comply Or Die
Posted - 2009.06.29 23:59:00 - [189]
 

New version 1.3 is up!

New market browser added.

In regards to Xenofarion's post: Are there anyone else that would like to see this feature? If so, voice your opinions here.

Astrixx
Posted - 2009.06.30 12:48:00 - [190]
 

Edited by: Astrixx on 30/06/2009 12:58:00
I know this is a pretty hefty request and not sure if it was already mentioned, but perhaps it would be nice to be able to pull eve-metrics or eve-central market data for an item as well. That way, one can view prices for a region if one does not have the local logs for it. It would also be nice to pull from cache.

EDIT: I actually made a modified version of your program from my personal use that did just that about a year ago (pulled data from eve-central), but I've been too lazy to update it with your latest version. I might redo it and release it if its OK with you.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2009.06.30 13:24:00 - [191]
 

Originally by: Astrixx
Edited by: Astrixx on 30/06/2009 12:58:00
I know this is a pretty hefty request and not sure if it was already mentioned, but perhaps it would be nice to be able to pull eve-metrics or eve-central market data for an item as well. That way, one can view prices for a region if one does not have the local logs for it. It would also be nice to pull from cache.

EDIT: I actually made a modified version of your program from my personal use that did just that about a year ago (pulled data from eve-central), but I've been too lazy to update it with your latest version. I might redo it and release it if its OK with you.



The problem I see with Eve-metrics is that most data are > 8 hours old and many regions are completely uncovered for niche items (they can be source of juicy profit).
Even using their own trade route addy, I have to double check before I buy stuff because most of the times by the time a possible profitable route registers on Eve-Central, someone already filled it since hours.

Eraggan Sadarr
Comply Or Die
Posted - 2009.07.06 12:18:00 - [192]
 

Edited by: Eraggan Sadarr on 06/07/2009 12:20:13
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Originally by: Astrixx
Edited by: Astrixx on 30/06/2009 12:58:00
I know this is a pretty hefty request and not sure if it was already mentioned, but perhaps it would be nice to be able to pull eve-metrics or eve-central market data for an item as well. That way, one can view prices for a region if one does not have the local logs for it. It would also be nice to pull from cache.

EDIT: I actually made a modified version of your program from my personal use that did just that about a year ago (pulled data from eve-central), but I've been too lazy to update it with your latest version. I might redo it and release it if its OK with you.



The problem I see with Eve-metrics is that most data are > 8 hours old and many regions are completely uncovered for niche items (they can be source of juicy profit).
Even using their own trade route addy, I have to double check before I buy stuff because most of the times by the time a possible profitable route registers on Eve-Central, someone already filled it since hours.


For now i have to agree on this, but i might implement eve metrics if it gets better.
Please feel free to offer any other suggestions or improvements.
And as i'm not a trader myself (Just made the app to save some isk when buying stuff for pvp), please be specific and detailed if you are talking market/trade lingo, as i often don't have a clue in that area.

Astrixx: feel free to release an eve-matrics version of Eve Market Scanner. As long as you keep it open source Smile

Eraggan Sadarr
Comply Or Die
Posted - 2009.07.25 22:38:00 - [193]
 

I really appreciate the donations. Thx guys Smile

Labratory Rat
Posted - 2009.07.27 20:05:00 - [194]
 

I didnt read the whole thread

I suggest . . .

ERMA - Eve Regional Market Analysis

XFinanX
United Shield
Posted - 2009.07.28 00:12:00 - [195]
 

Originally by: Astrixx
Edited by: Astrixx on 30/06/2009 12:58:00
I know this is a pretty hefty request and not sure if it was already mentioned, but perhaps it would be nice to be able to pull eve-metrics or eve-central market data for an item as well. That way, one can view prices for a region if one does not have the local logs for it. It would also be nice to pull from cache.

EDIT: I actually made a modified version of your program from my personal use that did just that about a year ago (pulled data from eve-central), but I've been too lazy to update it with your latest version. I might redo it and release it if its OK with you.



eve-central import would be great.

Eraggan Sadarr
Comply Or Die
Posted - 2009.08.03 15:49:00 - [196]
 

Originally by: XFinanX
Originally by: Astrixx
Edited by: Astrixx on 30/06/2009 12:58:00
I know this is a pretty hefty request and not sure if it was already mentioned, but perhaps it would be nice to be able to pull eve-metrics or eve-central market data for an item as well. That way, one can view prices for a region if one does not have the local logs for it. It would also be nice to pull from cache.

EDIT: I actually made a modified version of your program from my personal use that did just that about a year ago (pulled data from eve-central), but I've been too lazy to update it with your latest version. I might redo it and release it if its OK with you.



eve-central import would be great.



Is eve-central data really updated frequently enough (asking because i haven't really used it myself)?
If there is general support from the users on this i could take a look at implementing it. Or Astrixx could send me his modified code and I could merge it into EMS.

XFinanX
United Shield
Posted - 2009.08.05 20:53:00 - [197]
 

some items are really update several time per hour some are not.

even for the one update less rarelly there will gave a snapshot idea of other region market and make seller/buyer good idea what to do and go check by himselft the market and plan maybe new area.

don't use your tools since i don't want check the 4 region connected near our hq, hope you can merge code so not much code to do ;)

Corcyrus Endymion
Caldari
Elder Tribes
Posted - 2009.08.06 14:21:00 - [198]
 

First off I very much like the program.

The only thing I would like to see changed is the retention of a chosen option when moving from one item to another.

An example would be checking data for Ravens, having the left window set on "Best Buy" and the right window set on The Forge. If I would swap to for instance Dominixes the selection of the right screen would stay The forge, but the left screen will swap from Best Buy, to what ever the region was that offered the best buy for the Raven. Resulting in having to change the selection type to Best Buy once again. A minor gripe prehaps, but when you are handling 50 or more products it becomes slightly annoying :)

Keep up the good work!

Eraggan Sadarr
Comply Or Die
Posted - 2009.08.14 10:15:00 - [199]
 

Originally by: Corcyrus Endymion
First off I very much like the program.

The only thing I would like to see changed is the retention of a chosen option when moving from one item to another.



I have already implemented this and will do a new release some time this weekend Smile

Eraggan Sadarr
Comply Or Die
Posted - 2009.08.14 23:37:00 - [200]
 

New version is 1.3.2!

See changelog for details.

RootMen Alt
Posted - 2009.08.19 18:45:00 - [201]
 

Thanks for the new version! Add please in dbo_staStationsNames.xml all list of outposts. You can take their numbers from here - http://biotronics.basicaware.de/eve/download/StationID2Name.txt

Eraggan Sadarr
Comply Or Die
Posted - 2009.08.19 20:59:00 - [202]
 

Originally by: RootMen Alt
Thanks for the new version! Add please in dbo_staStationsNames.xml all list of outposts. You can take their numbers from here - http://biotronics.basicaware.de/eve/download/StationID2Name.txt


This will be done automatically when the app starts in the next release. It can also be disabled for those who don't need it.

RootMen Alt
Posted - 2009.08.21 06:40:00 - [203]
 

Hi! Thanks for new release :) Probably to realise an offline the version in which program takes the data from a file, instead of from API. Simply on operation access to a site is blocked and such possibility has allowed me to use the program completely autonomously having logs of the market and a XML file with outposts.

Eraggan Sadarr
Comply Or Die
Posted - 2009.08.21 21:41:00 - [204]
 

I was going to release version 1.4, but since the apocrypha data dump is already out i might as well get that into the mix. So will release as soon as possible.

The most prominent new features will be:
  • Apocrypha 1.5 data.

  • Option to load outpost data from Eve API, so you'll always have the correct 0.0 stations.

  • Option to show station owner in marketlog columns


Eraggan Sadarr
Comply Or Die
Posted - 2009.08.21 22:25:00 - [205]
 

Turns out the datadump was quick to incorporate as it was only market items that had changed.

So i give you: Version 1.5

See changelog in op for changes. Please report any bugs.

Eraggan Sadarr
Comply Or Die
Posted - 2009.08.24 21:58:00 - [206]
 

Originally by: RootMen Alt
Hi! Thanks for new release :) Probably to realise an offline the version in which program takes the data from a file, instead of from API. Simply on operation access to a site is blocked and such possibility has allowed me to use the program completely autonomously having logs of the market and a XML file with outposts.


Caching of the xml is implemented in the new version 1.5.1, which can be downloaded now!

Eraggan Sadarr
Comply Or Die
Posted - 2009.08.27 10:47:00 - [207]
 

Edited by: Eraggan Sadarr on 27/08/2009 11:43:28

To clarify:
Version 1.5.1 caches the outpost names and other information fetched from CCP's server locally on disk. So if you have successfully fetched the data once (this is done at program start-up), you can use the application offline, as the cached version will be used.

Of course, if you don't trade in 0.0 stations, this feature is of no consequence to you and you can use the application offline as always.

Starlight Eternal
Minmatar
Bene Tleilax technologies
Posted - 2009.08.27 18:27:00 - [208]
 

Suggestion for the future:

add an option to ignore any orders in certain systems

Reason being that I trade in regions with with parts of low sec space and I almost always get best buy orders to be in the systems that are accessable only by flying through 0.4 or lower and in Charon or Orca is a big no-no without a heavy escort.
If you could program it to be an option in the program, even better. Call it something like "Prefer safe haul only" or "Do not show hi-sec pockets" or similar. Basicaly -> If I can't get to from Jita flying through empire only, I don't want it to be shown at all.

Boreas Valiant
Gallente
Hipernova Trade Corporation
Posted - 2009.08.28 04:28:00 - [209]
 

Edited by: Boreas Valiant on 28/08/2009 04:30:01
great program

Eraggan Sadarr
Comply Or Die
Posted - 2009.08.28 09:11:00 - [210]
 

Originally by: Starlight Eternal
Suggestion for the future:

add an option to ignore any orders in certain systems

Reason being that I trade in regions with with parts of low sec space and I almost always get best buy orders to be in the systems that are accessable only by flying through 0.4 or lower and in Charon or Orca is a big no-no without a heavy escort.
If you could program it to be an option in the program, even better. Call it something like "Prefer safe haul only" or "Do not show hi-sec pockets" or similar. Basicaly -> If I can't get to from Jita flying through empire only, I don't want it to be shown at all.


As i've said before i don't feel that a route planner is in the scope for this app. Especially since the exported marketlogs only indirectly tell where you toon is located. So you would have to set up a point of origin for any calculations. There are other tools for this.

What i could do is: Let the user define a list of systems that wont show up in the compare view, regardless of security settings.
As always, i'd like to know if anyone else is interested in this. So don't hold back. Post your ideas here.


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